| Muric. The alternative view 14:50 - Oct 27 with 5688 views | FrimleyBlue |
For those who do like Muric. What are we not seeing?
I ask this as there are lots of anti muric posts. So I'd like to know what are the positive aspects to his games apart from shot stopping which is standard for all keepers.
What are the other positives with examples...
I can name many examples of the negatives with him. I just can't say apart from the odd save that he shouldn't have made What else does he bring to the table.
Let's forget hladky. Price tags etc etc. Just Muric as a keeper this season. |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 14:59 - Oct 27 with 4292 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Vegtablue posted this on another thread (apologies for not knowing how to link it!). I asked what Walton could bring that Muric doesn't, and thought it was a great response:
"My view is Walton's a decent Championship goalie. His save record across his two L1 seasons placed him around 10th for the division, notably below the shot-stopping of say Rushworth / Cooper / Trafford, but he was solid in the main. Better at commanding his box than Hladky, albeit he found himself in no man's land like Muric on occasion, and decent with his feet, though some way off Hladky. Overall he's a calm, solid, predictable keeper, who is both vocal and a presence in his area.
"My chief worry would be what a save percentage of 70% in L1, or 67% I think his average was in the Championship, translates to in the PL. Previously keepers with much higher save averages than Walton in the EFL have gone on to post save percentages below 60% in the top flight, and we face a lot of efforts on goal every game. I'd also worry what it means from a financial and longer-term perspective, as would making the change be consigning Muric to the bin realistically?
"Conversely, Muric's decision-making is so erratic, his confidence seemingly so low (chucking it to the halfway line for the last part of yesterday's game lol), his distribution a long way off what I expected, and I worry about his concentration levels. I would stick with him for now because I don't believe Walton is a no. 1 solution at this level, but I fully understand why others have a different opinion than me.
"Muric for his many faults has a 67% save rate currently, seems to save a one-on-one or three in the majority of games, and in his ten games for Burnley last season had the best save record in the league, over 80%. If he can become more predictable and consistent in his decision-making then there remains hope IMO, his kicking game is no worse than Ramsdale for instance, but maybe that's too big an ask and he'll always be manic behind the defence, in which case we may be better off cutting our losses already. It isn't a good situation to be in, though so far I'd say he won us a point against Brighton, lost us one against Brentford, arguably helped save one against Southampton, and what we've lost from an attacking perspective in games is no longer in the building - that goal-contributing distribution walked out the door with Hladky." |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:02 - Oct 27 with 4256 views | BlueOura |
I think the stick he has received is a bit over the top tbh. No doubt he lacks consistency and has made errors but it is clear he has a lot of ability.
The positive aspects of his game are that he comes for crosses pretty well in my view and that he is an excellent shot stopper. You say it is standard for keepers but there are levels, he has made some saves this season that I don't believe Walton would have got to.
It's just the consistency and decision making that is lacking as he can go from brilliant to terrible within the space of a few minutes. I thought he was outstanding against Brighton and that shows the level he is capable of, the coaching staff just need to keep working hard with him to try and achieve that level on a more consistent basis. |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:09 - Oct 27 with 4212 views | RIPbobby |
Difficult one. A keeper is a keeper. I think we were so blessed with Hladky last year that it is hard to be without him. I'm not sure what my feeling for him are. In fairness to him he has been ok in the live matches I've seen at Portman Road, its just our away matches where he really struggles.
On the side note I quite liked the Fulham keeper when he was at our place. I remember thinking how small he was, but he certainly kept them in it at times. |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:09 - Oct 27 with 4211 views | jasondozzell |
McKenna won't drop him. And rightly so.
Fans aren't helping anyone by getting on his back.
The only reason we had a chance of a point is because of a great save he made at 3-2.
He's made some fantastic saves. Inevitably with where we are he's going to be in the spotlight.
It doesn't mean he hasn't made errors but on balance he's done more good than bad.
We're better off focusing energy on game management and replicating all the good things about yesterday's performance. |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:23 - Oct 27 with 4109 views | J2BLUE |
He has only played something like 8 games for us? And how many difference defences has he had in front of him in that time?
To judge him already is just f##king stupid. This is where you say you weren't judging him but just asking questions but that's boll0cks because you've asked for the options of those who 'do like' him which implies you don't.
People are remembering Hladky at his best (fair enough, we all love him) and comparing him to Muric before he's even had a chance to settle in. |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 15:26 - Oct 27 with 4090 views | bournemouthblue |
Muric has started rockily on the deck and never really recovered from that
He does make an awful lot of saves which seems to be underappreciated
Yesterday was a huge mistake, having had a fairly good game up to that point and he shouldn't be making it
I think people slightly under play the confusion clearly caused by O'Shea in that shot coming in but there you go
It's a keeper error, the others have mainly been from playing out, has he made any other mistakes that were a keeping fault? |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 15:27 - Oct 27 with 4077 views | BlueOura |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:23 - Oct 27 by J2BLUE |
He has only played something like 8 games for us? And how many difference defences has he had in front of him in that time?
To judge him already is just f##king stupid. This is where you say you weren't judging him but just asking questions but that's boll0cks because you've asked for the options of those who 'do like' him which implies you don't.
People are remembering Hladky at his best (fair enough, we all love him) and comparing him to Muric before he's even had a chance to settle in. |
And forgetting that Hladky had a rick in him as well. Not sure he would have been up to it at the Prem level when under considerably more pressure each week than in the Championship. | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:30 - Oct 27 with 4062 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:23 - Oct 27 by J2BLUE |
He has only played something like 8 games for us? And how many difference defences has he had in front of him in that time?
To judge him already is just f##king stupid. This is where you say you weren't judging him but just asking questions but that's boll0cks because you've asked for the options of those who 'do like' him which implies you don't.
People are remembering Hladky at his best (fair enough, we all love him) and comparing him to Muric before he's even had a chance to settle in. |
"This is where you say you weren't judging him"
Not at all. I think he's useless. No qualms about that.
I was quite excited when I saw his build and then some youth videos showing his passing. But all I've seen in those 8 games as I've already said is a pss poor passer of the ball. A man who doesn't actually command his area despite being a beast. Flaps at every shot and cross and can't actually catch a ball. And throws a ball to halfway when it's not a quick counter attempt.. just really odd and put us in danger yesterday with that throw.
But he saves some shots he has no right in saving.
So yes I'm judging. Yes it's 8 games. I hope at the 20 game Mark we can all say what a keeper he is.
But at the moment he looks utter tripe even more so for the money paid.
BUT. Everyone's had their share of posting about how they feel about him so I'd like to hear from those who like him so that I can perhaps see his performances in a different light rather than a oh yeah another muric moment. [Post edited 27 Oct 2024 15:32]
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| Muric. The alternative view on 15:35 - Oct 27 with 4000 views | J2BLUE |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:30 - Oct 27 by FrimleyBlue |
"This is where you say you weren't judging him"
Not at all. I think he's useless. No qualms about that.
I was quite excited when I saw his build and then some youth videos showing his passing. But all I've seen in those 8 games as I've already said is a pss poor passer of the ball. A man who doesn't actually command his area despite being a beast. Flaps at every shot and cross and can't actually catch a ball. And throws a ball to halfway when it's not a quick counter attempt.. just really odd and put us in danger yesterday with that throw.
But he saves some shots he has no right in saving.
So yes I'm judging. Yes it's 8 games. I hope at the 20 game Mark we can all say what a keeper he is.
But at the moment he looks utter tripe even more so for the money paid.
BUT. Everyone's had their share of posting about how they feel about him so I'd like to hear from those who like him so that I can perhaps see his performances in a different light rather than a oh yeah another muric moment. [Post edited 27 Oct 2024 15:32]
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He'll have a few good games and you'll do your 'it was my opinion at the time' bit. | |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 15:36 - Oct 27 with 3998 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:23 - Oct 27 by J2BLUE |
He has only played something like 8 games for us? And how many difference defences has he had in front of him in that time?
To judge him already is just f##king stupid. This is where you say you weren't judging him but just asking questions but that's boll0cks because you've asked for the options of those who 'do like' him which implies you don't.
People are remembering Hladky at his best (fair enough, we all love him) and comparing him to Muric before he's even had a chance to settle in. |
I’ve judged him already and I don’t want him in the starting eleven because he’s no way near the price tag of an upgrade on Walton. So what if he’s had different defences in front of him, the system is the system and at this level he still needs to perform consistently and he doesn’t. We’re 25% of the way through the season and his blunders have been numerous already. Walton in. |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:40 - Oct 27 with 3969 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:35 - Oct 27 by J2BLUE |
He'll have a few good games and you'll do your 'it was my opinion at the time' bit. |
Considering I've shared my view at this current time. You are correct. | |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 15:47 - Oct 27 with 3935 views | Garv |
You can't really say 'apart from his shot stopping' because that doesn't really do some of his saves justice. It is standard for a goalkeeper but some are better at it than others.
He's not terrible with his feet, and he's obviously got the balls to keep trying to play out, which you need. Hladky was like that, to his detriment at times. He mid to long kicking is good at times too.
He just needs to calm down the jitters. |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 16:04 - Oct 27 with 3826 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:26 - Oct 27 by bournemouthblue |
Muric has started rockily on the deck and never really recovered from that
He does make an awful lot of saves which seems to be underappreciated
Yesterday was a huge mistake, having had a fairly good game up to that point and he shouldn't be making it
I think people slightly under play the confusion clearly caused by O'Shea in that shot coming in but there you go
It's a keeper error, the others have mainly been from playing out, has he made any other mistakes that were a keeping fault? |
Yes.
He committed way too easily against Haaland for his second and should have done better for his third. He was beaten at his near post by Keane. He comes for a cross against Kudus which he’s never getting but luckily Kudus hits the post. He should have cleared first time after a horrific back pass from Johnson against West Ham but has a bad touch which leads to Bowen’s goal. Yesterday he shoves a player to the ground in the penalty area and he’s no way near any pen taken against him.
There’s a list without getting started in his woeful passing and decision making with his feet. Walton in. | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 16:15 - Oct 27 with 3744 views | billlm |
It's his concentration, you look at his eyes he doesn't look as if he's there,
Then the erratic decisions,
His stats the reason we purchased him must have been good let's hope he comes good, |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 16:40 - Oct 27 with 3636 views | tcblue |
How can you possibly compare him to Walton (a player who couldn't get a regular game for us in the league below)? | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 17:05 - Oct 27 with 3508 views | quad |
I like Muric.
He's made mistakes for sure, but he's still a decent keeper IMO.
I can't even understand what all the fuss is about for their winner. Deceived by the flight of the ball from what was clearly just a cross. Okay, he should have done better and reacted quicker, but it was still a total fluke and as jammy a goal as you could wish to see.
Very good save from Wissa in the second half and a superb save from Damsgaard too. I'm convinced Walton would not have saved that, and I've got my doubts as to whether Hladky would have done either.
Shot stopping may be standard for keepers but he's better at it than both Walton and Hladky IMO and that's the difference. He has made some superb saves in other games too which have kept us in the game, notably at Brighton if I remember correctly.
He's also commanding in the air and good with crosses IMO.
I think the criticism he has received has been completely OTT and undeserved.
I realise that I am in the minority, but if others think that bringing in Walton is the answer then I think they need their heads tested. Muric is being made a scapegoat because people are angry we lost in injury time. But he will prove his worth given time and prove all the haters wrong if the boo boys don't destroy his confidence too much. | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 17:20 - Oct 27 with 3423 views | quad |
| Muric. The alternative view on 16:04 - Oct 27 by ibbleobble |
Yes.
He committed way too easily against Haaland for his second and should have done better for his third. He was beaten at his near post by Keane. He comes for a cross against Kudus which he’s never getting but luckily Kudus hits the post. He should have cleared first time after a horrific back pass from Johnson against West Ham but has a bad touch which leads to Bowen’s goal. Yesterday he shoves a player to the ground in the penalty area and he’s no way near any pen taken against him.
There’s a list without getting started in his woeful passing and decision making with his feet. Walton in. |
He committed way too early against Haaland because he knew how brilliant Haaland would be in a one-on-one so that was his only chance of stopping him. No keeper was stopping that shot from Keane. Mbeumo is a superb penalty taker, not surprised he got nowhere near it. Don't remember the other stuff without watching it again. | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 17:23 - Oct 27 with 3404 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Muric. The alternative view on 14:59 - Oct 27 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Vegtablue posted this on another thread (apologies for not knowing how to link it!). I asked what Walton could bring that Muric doesn't, and thought it was a great response:
"My view is Walton's a decent Championship goalie. His save record across his two L1 seasons placed him around 10th for the division, notably below the shot-stopping of say Rushworth / Cooper / Trafford, but he was solid in the main. Better at commanding his box than Hladky, albeit he found himself in no man's land like Muric on occasion, and decent with his feet, though some way off Hladky. Overall he's a calm, solid, predictable keeper, who is both vocal and a presence in his area.
"My chief worry would be what a save percentage of 70% in L1, or 67% I think his average was in the Championship, translates to in the PL. Previously keepers with much higher save averages than Walton in the EFL have gone on to post save percentages below 60% in the top flight, and we face a lot of efforts on goal every game. I'd also worry what it means from a financial and longer-term perspective, as would making the change be consigning Muric to the bin realistically?
"Conversely, Muric's decision-making is so erratic, his confidence seemingly so low (chucking it to the halfway line for the last part of yesterday's game lol), his distribution a long way off what I expected, and I worry about his concentration levels. I would stick with him for now because I don't believe Walton is a no. 1 solution at this level, but I fully understand why others have a different opinion than me.
"Muric for his many faults has a 67% save rate currently, seems to save a one-on-one or three in the majority of games, and in his ten games for Burnley last season had the best save record in the league, over 80%. If he can become more predictable and consistent in his decision-making then there remains hope IMO, his kicking game is no worse than Ramsdale for instance, but maybe that's too big an ask and he'll always be manic behind the defence, in which case we may be better off cutting our losses already. It isn't a good situation to be in, though so far I'd say he won us a point against Brighton, lost us one against Brentford, arguably helped save one against Southampton, and what we've lost from an attacking perspective in games is no longer in the building - that goal-contributing distribution walked out the door with Hladky." |
It was an excellent summary and I agree with all of it |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 17:42 - Oct 27 with 3320 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Muric. The alternative view on 15:23 - Oct 27 by J2BLUE |
He has only played something like 8 games for us? And how many difference defences has he had in front of him in that time?
To judge him already is just f##king stupid. This is where you say you weren't judging him but just asking questions but that's boll0cks because you've asked for the options of those who 'do like' him which implies you don't.
People are remembering Hladky at his best (fair enough, we all love him) and comparing him to Muric before he's even had a chance to settle in. |
We are now a quarter of the way through the season and he's made numerous mistakes, has looked awful on the ball when under pressure, doesn't communicate with his defence and is an accident waiting to happen. It's not a 46 game season where we can afford our keeper to have a handful of bad games.
I'm not asking questions. I'm judging him and I think he is going to get us relegated at this rate. |  |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 17:47 - Oct 27 with 3285 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric. The alternative view on 17:20 - Oct 27 by quad |
He committed way too early against Haaland because he knew how brilliant Haaland would be in a one-on-one so that was his only chance of stopping him. No keeper was stopping that shot from Keane. Mbeumo is a superb penalty taker, not surprised he got nowhere near it. Don't remember the other stuff without watching it again. |
Disagree with all those points. He rushed at Haaland and gave Haaland an easy decision. He should have narrowed the angle and stayed big as long as possible. Text book.
Keane shot has a great strike but it’s still his near post regardless. Better angles needed.
Mbuemo stood straight on and walked to the ball. Stand big and go late when there’s no power being generated from a run. He stays still and stands tall, he saves it. Dived way too early and gave him the goal to aim at. Poor keeping. [Post edited 27 Oct 2024 17:52]
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| Muric. The alternative view on 17:52 - Oct 27 with 3265 views | bournemouthblue |
| Muric. The alternative view on 16:04 - Oct 27 by ibbleobble |
Yes.
He committed way too easily against Haaland for his second and should have done better for his third. He was beaten at his near post by Keane. He comes for a cross against Kudus which he’s never getting but luckily Kudus hits the post. He should have cleared first time after a horrific back pass from Johnson against West Ham but has a bad touch which leads to Bowen’s goal. Yesterday he shoves a player to the ground in the penalty area and he’s no way near any pen taken against him.
There’s a list without getting started in his woeful passing and decision making with his feet. Walton in. |
He had a shocking debut, I do agree there
I think the Keane one was harsh, that was absolute thunderbolt
The West Ham was harsh, as he got absolutely stitched up on the back pass and almost salvaged it
The passing out in contrast to Hladky is disappointing, albeit we have no idea how good Hladky would have been in the Prem
It looks a strange decision to let him go though and whilst Muric may end up a decent keeper for us, it isn't working at the moment
I probably would drop him to be fair, not that's necessarily what McKenna will do yet | |
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| Muric. The alternative view on 17:58 - Oct 27 with 3231 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Muric. The alternative view on 17:42 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
We are now a quarter of the way through the season and he's made numerous mistakes, has looked awful on the ball when under pressure, doesn't communicate with his defence and is an accident waiting to happen. It's not a 46 game season where we can afford our keeper to have a handful of bad games.
I'm not asking questions. I'm judging him and I think he is going to get us relegated at this rate. |
I don't deny any of the mistakes he has made haven't been very disappointing, but my gut says Walton won't improve the situation, as he's not necessarily a better keeper. We are between a rock and a hard place.
Plenty of mistakes that cost us goals are coming from individual and collective midfield or defensive errors. A goalkeeper relies on the team ahead of him to deal with a lot more pressure than Muric is having to handle most games. That's because we are a newly promoted team who came up too soon.
To single Muric or anyone else out is missing the point. The 'plain as day' fact, is that we doing exactly how we should be doing, at this stage, with this team, with this talented but inexperienced manager, with these inconsistent defensive line-ups, due to these injuries.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be critical of individual players, but much of the criticism is absolute hyperbole. For example, those saying Muric should be given away rather than sold is just absurd, disrespectful and unkind. What is wrong with people like that? Emotional immaturity? Lack of human kindness? | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 18:01 - Oct 27 with 3224 views | ITFC_History |
If you have a jittery goalkeeper low on confidence it affects & unsettles the whole team. Personally I take him out the team for a bit. But McKenna knows more then I |  | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 18:09 - Oct 27 with 3175 views | quad |
| Muric. The alternative view on 18:01 - Oct 27 by ITFC_History |
If you have a jittery goalkeeper low on confidence it affects & unsettles the whole team. Personally I take him out the team for a bit. But McKenna knows more then I |
I agree that he's a jittery goalkeeper low on confidence and it affects the whole team.
However, I also think that Walton is a jittery goalkeeper low on confidence and his shot-stopping is considerably worse than Muric. And that's why I'd stick with Muric. Drop Muric and his confidence is completely destroyed and we would be worse off for it. | | | |
| Muric. The alternative view on 18:16 - Oct 27 with 3145 views | Esseeja |
Walton wasn't too bad against Liverpool but he is simply not the better keeper out of the two. Muric has the shot stopping ability that Walton does not, and that is more important than anything else in a relegation fight, you need to keep the goals out when shots are coming against you.
I have full faith in Muric, and will continue to have full faith in Muric. Our problem is a lack of a settled back line. Hladky had that benefit when he came in for Walton's injury last season. Muric hasn't had that yet, and he's going to continue to suffer with Harry Clarke's suspension. | | | |
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