| Wes Burns 21:08 - Nov 2 with 3824 views | DublinBlue84 |
Anyone else starting to think he isn't up to this level?
Great servant for the club but over recent games seems to be out of his depth, again today he's not been strong enough which has cost us a goal, he should be doing far better to intercept in the build up to their goal. |  |
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| Wes Burns on 21:23 - Nov 2 with 3734 views | Bluecasp |
Burns has been an incredible signing for the club but he looks like a player who has no belief that he can play at this level. Which is a shame as he has pace and qualities which should give him more confidence. I understand why Mckenna wanted to bring him on but at the moment he isn't offering us anything. A real shame. | | | |
| Wes Burns on 21:52 - Nov 2 with 3537 views | billlm |
He's been great certainly reached his ceiling |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 22:16 - Nov 2 with 3424 views | LongLegs |
Number of times this season he has been pushed off the ball. Love Burns but he hasnt been at the physicality required for the prem. We started to suffer soon as he came on last week down the right side too. I’m sure he will sort it out [Post edited 2 Nov 2024 22:17]
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| Wes Burns on 22:25 - Nov 2 with 3364 views | LankHenners |
If people want to throw blame at him for the goal they've got to give the same amount for Morsy as they were both guilty of the same thing i.e. trying to buy a free kick rather than just knocking the ball out of play. |  |
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| Wes Burns on 22:45 - Nov 2 with 3247 views | WicklowBlue |
| Wes Burns on 22:25 - Nov 2 by LankHenners |
If people want to throw blame at him for the goal they've got to give the same amount for Morsy as they were both guilty of the same thing i.e. trying to buy a free kick rather than just knocking the ball out of play. |
Indeed and while Burns didn't halt the run which he should have, there was still opportunities to prevent the goal. |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 00:40 - Nov 3 with 2894 views | tractorshark |
Burns was too easily shrugged off in that challenge. And it’s been a common theme this season.
Both him and Jack Clarke are struggling with the physicality of this league.
The physicality of the Prem is probably the thing that’s surprised me most. I expected the pace, the skill, the movement, finishing and defending to be heaps better but the sheer strength of the opposition has impressed me. Only Delap, among the attacking players, truly shows that for us.
Burns has been a decent servant for the club and will be fondly remembered for years to come but I, like others have suggested, fear he’s hit his ceiling at this level.
As an attacking force, he doesn’t look capable of beating his man and is being easily dispossessed. And while his defensive work rate is generally good, he has to be much stronger if he’s going to compete in the Prem.
Losing Ogbene just when he was starting to show glimpses of quality is a big blow.
My only hope is Burns proves me wrong and finds his feet, like Chaplin has in the past two games.
He does have pace but Prem defenders read the game so well. | | | |
| Wes Burns on 01:10 - Nov 3 with 2824 views | IPS_wich |
| Wes Burns on 00:40 - Nov 3 by tractorshark |
Burns was too easily shrugged off in that challenge. And it’s been a common theme this season.
Both him and Jack Clarke are struggling with the physicality of this league.
The physicality of the Prem is probably the thing that’s surprised me most. I expected the pace, the skill, the movement, finishing and defending to be heaps better but the sheer strength of the opposition has impressed me. Only Delap, among the attacking players, truly shows that for us.
Burns has been a decent servant for the club and will be fondly remembered for years to come but I, like others have suggested, fear he’s hit his ceiling at this level.
As an attacking force, he doesn’t look capable of beating his man and is being easily dispossessed. And while his defensive work rate is generally good, he has to be much stronger if he’s going to compete in the Prem.
Losing Ogbene just when he was starting to show glimpses of quality is a big blow.
My only hope is Burns proves me wrong and finds his feet, like Chaplin has in the past two games.
He does have pace but Prem defenders read the game so well. |
Ogbene’s injury is less of a blow if we revert back to Hutch on the right and Connor or Szmodics in the ten. I’m sure Omari will be a good number 10 with some more experience but Chaplin has played really well last two games and has impacted our performance more that Omari has in that position. Equally, that’s the most dangerous we’ve looked down the right all season. | | | |
| Wes Burns on 01:22 - Nov 3 with 2805 views | Kentish_Tractor |
I think we view him through blue-tinted glasses a lot of the time. Obviously he was fantastic for us in League One, and showed the odd flash of brilliance last season (THAT goal included) and became a bit of a fan favourite.
However for me, he is an average championship player. Granted he played his part, but his championship stats from last season - 6 goals and 4 assists from 35 appearances - in a team that finished 2nd and where the players behind the striker are supposed to score most of the goals, is very average.
His problem is that he is very much a one-trick pony. Knock it past the player and then hit-and-hope. His only real attribute is pace - which in the Premier League isn't enough by iteslf as the opposition fullbacks are so much better. His crossing is generally poor and his shooting is worse. He also lacks close control. He does work hard, but again that is not enough in the Premier League.
As much as I love Wes and thank him for the key part he has played in our journey - I think the Prem is a step too far. | |
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| Wes Burns on 03:07 - Nov 3 with 2645 views | textbackup |
| Wes Burns on 00:40 - Nov 3 by tractorshark |
Burns was too easily shrugged off in that challenge. And it’s been a common theme this season.
Both him and Jack Clarke are struggling with the physicality of this league.
The physicality of the Prem is probably the thing that’s surprised me most. I expected the pace, the skill, the movement, finishing and defending to be heaps better but the sheer strength of the opposition has impressed me. Only Delap, among the attacking players, truly shows that for us.
Burns has been a decent servant for the club and will be fondly remembered for years to come but I, like others have suggested, fear he’s hit his ceiling at this level.
As an attacking force, he doesn’t look capable of beating his man and is being easily dispossessed. And while his defensive work rate is generally good, he has to be much stronger if he’s going to compete in the Prem.
Losing Ogbene just when he was starting to show glimpses of quality is a big blow.
My only hope is Burns proves me wrong and finds his feet, like Chaplin has in the past two games.
He does have pace but Prem defenders read the game so well. |
Burns isn’t far off 6 foot, and built. Good upper body muscle, and even stronger legs. He didn’t want it enough in that tackle, simple. |  |
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| Wes Burns on 06:16 - Nov 3 with 2514 views | BlueOura |
| Wes Burns on 01:22 - Nov 3 by Kentish_Tractor |
I think we view him through blue-tinted glasses a lot of the time. Obviously he was fantastic for us in League One, and showed the odd flash of brilliance last season (THAT goal included) and became a bit of a fan favourite.
However for me, he is an average championship player. Granted he played his part, but his championship stats from last season - 6 goals and 4 assists from 35 appearances - in a team that finished 2nd and where the players behind the striker are supposed to score most of the goals, is very average.
His problem is that he is very much a one-trick pony. Knock it past the player and then hit-and-hope. His only real attribute is pace - which in the Premier League isn't enough by iteslf as the opposition fullbacks are so much better. His crossing is generally poor and his shooting is worse. He also lacks close control. He does work hard, but again that is not enough in the Premier League.
As much as I love Wes and thank him for the key part he has played in our journey - I think the Prem is a step too far. |
Morning Frimmers. |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 06:41 - Nov 3 with 2467 views | Churchman |
| Wes Burns on 01:22 - Nov 3 by Kentish_Tractor |
I think we view him through blue-tinted glasses a lot of the time. Obviously he was fantastic for us in League One, and showed the odd flash of brilliance last season (THAT goal included) and became a bit of a fan favourite.
However for me, he is an average championship player. Granted he played his part, but his championship stats from last season - 6 goals and 4 assists from 35 appearances - in a team that finished 2nd and where the players behind the striker are supposed to score most of the goals, is very average.
His problem is that he is very much a one-trick pony. Knock it past the player and then hit-and-hope. His only real attribute is pace - which in the Premier League isn't enough by iteslf as the opposition fullbacks are so much better. His crossing is generally poor and his shooting is worse. He also lacks close control. He does work hard, but again that is not enough in the Premier League.
As much as I love Wes and thank him for the key part he has played in our journey - I think the Prem is a step too far. |
I think he’s better than that and is actually a really decent player. He is more than a one trick pony. In addition to pace he gets into space and forces defenders into doing what they don’t like. He brings other players into the game and has an eye for a goal.
Is he good enough for this level though? As it stands, I’d say no, but I thought that of Chaplin who has been excellent in the last two games. I think Burns is someone who needs to play week in week out. But he isn’t going to and has struggled for fitness this season.
I wouldn’t write him off quite yet. |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 07:59 - Nov 3 with 2230 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem
10 games Zero wins 21 goals conceded
Looking at the table some might be beginning to think the club isn’t up to this level | |
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| Wes Burns on 08:02 - Nov 3 with 2225 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
I would say that he certainly still offers something in terms of going forward. The pace he has will make him a useful option…
That said I feel like he has been found wanting more than most in terms of defensive ability and I can think of a few times he’s been at fault for not tracking his man or failing to deal with it in and around own box.
So far his offensive abilities have been far outweighed by his defensive mistakes |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 08:03 - Nov 3 with 2213 views | NthQldITFC |
| Wes Burns on 22:16 - Nov 2 by LongLegs |
Number of times this season he has been pushed off the ball. Love Burns but he hasnt been at the physicality required for the prem. We started to suffer soon as he came on last week down the right side too. I’m sure he will sort it out [Post edited 2 Nov 2024 22:17]
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I think your observations are right, but your diagnosis is wrong. He certainly has been pushed off the ball too much, but he does have the requisite physicality and pace, both in abundance actually.
I'd say his problem so far has been more of a self belief problem, and I'd like to bet that he'll get that right over the next few months, much as Chappers seems to have done in the last couple of games. Similar positive characters. We'll obviously buy a replacement for Ogbene in January, but I predict that Burns will be operating well by then too. |  |
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| Wes Burns on 08:51 - Nov 3 with 2061 views | Stewart27 |
| Wes Burns on 07:59 - Nov 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem
10 games Zero wins 21 goals conceded
Looking at the table some might be beginning to think the club isn’t up to this level |
Must hurt for you this morning to have picked up 3 points from 12 in the championship after the late Cardiff show? | | | |
| Wes Burns on 08:54 - Nov 3 with 2031 views | cbower |
| Wes Burns on 08:03 - Nov 3 by NthQldITFC |
I think your observations are right, but your diagnosis is wrong. He certainly has been pushed off the ball too much, but he does have the requisite physicality and pace, both in abundance actually.
I'd say his problem so far has been more of a self belief problem, and I'd like to bet that he'll get that right over the next few months, much as Chappers seems to have done in the last couple of games. Similar positive characters. We'll obviously buy a replacement for Ogbene in January, but I predict that Burns will be operating well by then too. |
I make you right. Not just for Burns, but a few others. I think Hutch, Leif, and Chaplin have all suffered from a knock to their confidence and yesterday should boost them that their game is good enough. Leif in particular is showing greater physicality in recent games. I think that although it's perverse, Ogbene's injury might well rescue Omari's season. In the middle he was being outmuscled too much, there was no room and his chances of facing up players one on one were restricted. Playing on the right is best for him at the moment until he gets greater physicality. Sad for Chieo though. |  |
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| Wes Burns on 09:05 - Nov 3 with 1960 views | Kev_W |
| Wes Burns on 08:03 - Nov 3 by NthQldITFC |
I think your observations are right, but your diagnosis is wrong. He certainly has been pushed off the ball too much, but he does have the requisite physicality and pace, both in abundance actually.
I'd say his problem so far has been more of a self belief problem, and I'd like to bet that he'll get that right over the next few months, much as Chappers seems to have done in the last couple of games. Similar positive characters. We'll obviously buy a replacement for Ogbene in January, but I predict that Burns will be operating well by then too. |
Burns has had a few significant injuries over the past couple of seasons and these inevitably impact on confidence as well as match fitness. | | | |
| Wes Burns on 09:23 - Nov 3 with 1857 views | Wickets |
Yes yesterday in was very lightweight when needed he should have been ready to stop the Leicester player at all costs , was he the right sub in the circumstances with Townsend Mass or even Wolf on the bench ? Hindsight I suppose . |  | | |
| Wes Burns on 09:28 - Nov 3 with 1830 views | blueasfook |
| Wes Burns on 07:59 - Nov 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem
10 games Zero wins 21 goals conceded
Looking at the table some might be beginning to think the club isn’t up to this level |
It's the gulf innit. Huge step up for any team from the championship to the Premier league. All of last seasons 3 promoted teams came straight back down. Even if you do manage to sneak in 16th or 17th and stay up, chances are you'll be straight back into a relegation battle the next season. The Premier league elite group of clubs is pretty much established now and it's pretty much impossible for a new club to break that stronghold |  |
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| Wes Burns on 09:29 - Nov 3 with 1817 views | BlueOura |
| Wes Burns on 09:28 - Nov 3 by blueasfook |
It's the gulf innit. Huge step up for any team from the championship to the Premier league. All of last seasons 3 promoted teams came straight back down. Even if you do manage to sneak in 16th or 17th and stay up, chances are you'll be straight back into a relegation battle the next season. The Premier league elite group of clubs is pretty much established now and it's pretty much impossible for a new club to break that stronghold |
I present Exhibit A - Nottingham Forest. | | | |
| Wes Burns on 12:28 - Nov 3 with 1491 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Wes Burns on 09:29 - Nov 3 by BlueOura |
I present Exhibit A - Nottingham Forest. |
If only Town had a striker as good as Chris Wood eh?
Bournemouth continue to surprise as well - and as yet they havent been found breaking FFP rules, somehow | |
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| Wes Burns on 12:30 - Nov 3 with 1481 views | ibbleobble |
| Wes Burns on 07:59 - Nov 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
Ahem
10 games Zero wins 21 goals conceded
Looking at the table some might be beginning to think the club isn’t up to this level |
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