| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. 20:39 - Nov 13 with 1894 views | NthQldITFC |
Someone on Today earlier was saying it won't be easy to effect certain major changes (not sure exactly what she was talking about), but how much of a brake is their civil service, military and legislature going to be able to put on Tr*mp and his unqualified cronies? |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 20:49 - Nov 13 with 1832 views | MattinLondon |
The sort of positive spin on this is that his band of unqualified merry imbeciles will make Trump himself very unpopular quite quickly. When that happens, Trump’s ego will sack them and he’ll become much more less gung-ho. Might happen. |  | | |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 20:50 - Nov 13 with 1836 views | J2BLUE |
August 2028...The Tories decide they like what they have seen in America and move to install Farage as leader. Trump spends his last few months in office openly calling for Farage to become the UK PM with Musk and the Russian bots patrolling Twitter twisting everything in his favour. Trump hand picks his successor and they win before spending their first six months in office heavily hinting the UK will only get trade deals etc if Farage is PM.
Farage wins...his first trip is to the USA where he stands grinning and shaking hands with President Vance while non official Special Advisor Trump stands beside them looking like a giant wotsit saying Putin had every right to annex Moldova. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:19 - Nov 13 with 1726 views | Oldsmoker |
Not all house republicans will readily kiss Trumps ring.
Some will barter their vote to get their earmarks - money for their own state projects.
No project money - no vote. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:22 - Nov 13 with 1719 views | ElderGrizzly |
Trump’s cabinet picks are something else too.
Two people under criminal investigation in key positions. Takes one to know one etc |  | | |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:24 - Nov 13 with 1715 views | Dubtractor |
I know there are a handful on here who cheer for Trump, or dismiss concerns as scaremongering, but America looks pretty f@cked right now.
Remarkable state of affairs. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:30 - Nov 13 with 1666 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:24 - Nov 13 by Dubtractor |
I know there are a handful on here who cheer for Trump, or dismiss concerns as scaremongering, but America looks pretty f@cked right now.
Remarkable state of affairs. |
Someone has been watching Johnson’s unlawful prorogation of parliament
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 01:06 - Nov 14 with 1438 views | Illinoisblue |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:22 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump’s cabinet picks are something else too.
Two people under criminal investigation in key positions. Takes one to know one etc |
Incredible, aren’t they? Incredible bantz from Trump. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so fking awful. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 06:11 - Nov 14 with 1333 views | iamatractorboy |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:22 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump’s cabinet picks are something else too.
Two people under criminal investigation in key positions. Takes one to know one etc |
Matt 'I've been investigated for suspected sex trafficking' Gaetz.... wow. |  | | |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 06:48 - Nov 14 with 1301 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 06:11 - Nov 14 by iamatractorboy |
Matt 'I've been investigated for suspected sex trafficking' Gaetz.... wow. |
As Attorney General.
In charge of the Justice Department.
That's the point at which it is all just a trolllol for Trump. | | | |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 07:47 - Nov 14 with 1207 views | NthQldITFC |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 21:24 - Nov 13 by Dubtractor |
I know there are a handful on here who cheer for Trump, or dismiss concerns as scaremongering, but America looks pretty f@cked right now.
Remarkable state of affairs. |
I'm looking at it more as people cheering for smashing the 'system' without really understanding what the system is and how it has evolved to more or less support a functional society.
Trump is just a convenient figurehead for anarchy and represents an entirely un-thought-out, self-centred, social media-driven dash by the masses towards social and environmental oblivion.
America is probably only marginally more f@cked than much of the rest of the world, but as it still represents the motive force of humanity's economic and perhaps social 'evolution', it's a pretty grim outlook for all of us.
If democracy dies or withers badly in the US, we in Europe particularly need to make damned sure we protect what democracy we have here. We also, crucially, need to get the message to the masses that the world isn't an infinite playground that can absorb the ego and effluent of everybody taking everything they want as power consumers, without very soon bringing the whole lot crashing down around everybody's ears. So spake Ozymandius. | |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 08:51 - Nov 14 with 1117 views | Guthrum |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 07:47 - Nov 14 by NthQldITFC |
I'm looking at it more as people cheering for smashing the 'system' without really understanding what the system is and how it has evolved to more or less support a functional society.
Trump is just a convenient figurehead for anarchy and represents an entirely un-thought-out, self-centred, social media-driven dash by the masses towards social and environmental oblivion.
America is probably only marginally more f@cked than much of the rest of the world, but as it still represents the motive force of humanity's economic and perhaps social 'evolution', it's a pretty grim outlook for all of us.
If democracy dies or withers badly in the US, we in Europe particularly need to make damned sure we protect what democracy we have here. We also, crucially, need to get the message to the masses that the world isn't an infinite playground that can absorb the ego and effluent of everybody taking everything they want as power consumers, without very soon bringing the whole lot crashing down around everybody's ears. So spake Ozymandius. |
Trouble is, if you can only promise struggle and hardship to achieve bare survival, you're always going to lose out against those offering Good Things.
In any kind of free democracy, there's no way of stopping the latter doing that and thus seizing power.
Sure, when the Good Things do not arrive, there is disillusionment and reaction*. But that just allows a space for fresh offers of empty hope.
* As we are seeing with current rejection of mainstream political institutions which promised endless growth and prosperity from the '80s to the 2000s. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 09:02 - Nov 14 with 1088 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 06:11 - Nov 14 by iamatractorboy |
Matt 'I've been investigated for suspected sex trafficking' Gaetz.... wow. |
What’s a bit of sex trafficking between friends? Wasn’t Trump buddies with Epstein too? God knows what’s been going on there, but it will have been ugly. |  |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 09:25 - Nov 14 with 1046 views | NthQldITFC |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 08:51 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
Trouble is, if you can only promise struggle and hardship to achieve bare survival, you're always going to lose out against those offering Good Things.
In any kind of free democracy, there's no way of stopping the latter doing that and thus seizing power.
Sure, when the Good Things do not arrive, there is disillusionment and reaction*. But that just allows a space for fresh offers of empty hope.
* As we are seeing with current rejection of mainstream political institutions which promised endless growth and prosperity from the '80s to the 2000s. |
Which is why a radical, honest and transparent educational policy is the only hope for a non-dystopian future. The more time we spend with people believing in a consequence-free, endless growth and hollow consumer-driven future, the less time there will be to save ourselves once people realise that that's a dangerous delusion.
I know socialism is a dirty word to many, tainted by history, but it's the only basis for survival in a finite and desperately damaged world.
Also, it may be presented as 'struggle and hardship to achieve bare survival', but there's a redistribution of wealth scenario where nobody has struggle and hardship and nobody has, or aspires to, obscene and ridiculous wealth either.
Technological progress should have meant that the average standard of living has gone up, and indeed it has, but the smearing out of the bell curve to never quite satisfy the empty desires of the ultra-rich has put us in a dreadful mess. Co-operate and survive happily or compete and destroy everything? Fck Capitalism. | |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 10:38 - Nov 14 with 943 views | tractordownsouth |
A GOP-lead house with a narrow majority is better than a Dem house with a narrow majority. It'll have to be a masterful whipping operation to get anything done.
Leaves it in a good place for Democrats to win it back (hopefully with a healthy majority) in 2026. [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 10:39]
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 10:41 - Nov 14 with 928 views | tractordownsouth |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 20:49 - Nov 13 by MattinLondon |
The sort of positive spin on this is that his band of unqualified merry imbeciles will make Trump himself very unpopular quite quickly. When that happens, Trump’s ego will sack them and he’ll become much more less gung-ho. Might happen. |
Rubio (and anyone else leaving the Senate for a cabinet job) is an idiot. They'll be gone within a couple of years. | |
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| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 11:16 - Nov 14 with 846 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Glum. I've just seen they've won the House too. on 07:47 - Nov 14 by NthQldITFC |
I'm looking at it more as people cheering for smashing the 'system' without really understanding what the system is and how it has evolved to more or less support a functional society.
Trump is just a convenient figurehead for anarchy and represents an entirely un-thought-out, self-centred, social media-driven dash by the masses towards social and environmental oblivion.
America is probably only marginally more f@cked than much of the rest of the world, but as it still represents the motive force of humanity's economic and perhaps social 'evolution', it's a pretty grim outlook for all of us.
If democracy dies or withers badly in the US, we in Europe particularly need to make damned sure we protect what democracy we have here. We also, crucially, need to get the message to the masses that the world isn't an infinite playground that can absorb the ego and effluent of everybody taking everything they want as power consumers, without very soon bringing the whole lot crashing down around everybody's ears. So spake Ozymandius. |
Yep need to be central to the EU being a force for democracy
Oh wait!
Putin must be rubbing his hands in glee at this potential/likely breakdown in western democracy thanks to his useful idiots like Trump, Orban and Farage (and even Johnson)
Dark times |  | | |
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