| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:33 - Dec 7 with 2480 views | yesjohn99 |
Any true football supporter has to get behind the campaign. It’s disgraceful the way things are going.
I felt Ipswich took the mick a little bit with the season ticket pricing for this season. Prices went up and we are getting 4 less home games. The club were lucky to hide behind the feel good factor and the ‘well, it’s premier league’ tag. |  | |  |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:44 - Dec 7 with 2447 views | Mullet |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:33 - Dec 7 by yesjohn99 |
Any true football supporter has to get behind the campaign. It’s disgraceful the way things are going.
I felt Ipswich took the mick a little bit with the season ticket pricing for this season. Prices went up and we are getting 4 less home games. The club were lucky to hide behind the feel good factor and the ‘well, it’s premier league’ tag. |
But the argument is that you are getting 19 more Premier League games and these are worth more. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:01 - Dec 7 with 2389 views | BloomBlue |
Trouble is many fans moan when their club doesn't spend enough money on buying 'more' new players.
Other fans will moan about not wanting rich 'doggy' owners, even though that allows the club to spend more on players.
Other fans will moan about their owner not putting more money in, aka Evans
Other fans will complain they don't like the particular advertisers on their clubs shirts ie betting companies even though that allows for spending more on players
Financial fair play rules were introduced to try and stop the crazy spending. But then some fans will moan about it stopping their rich owners from spending more on players.
Other fans will moan about the price of football shirts while standing in a queue to spend £60 on one. Or in my situation the bod standing in front of me moaning about the price purchased three shirts
Then others will moan about the price of tickets.
I still fondly look back on the 50/60s when you could sneak PR without paying, but football has moved on amazingly. Footballers earn money most people only dream about, but I don't mind that, many of them grew up in working class environments, good luck to them. But it all has to be paid for.
Ultimately if fans want cheaper tickets, but also want clubs spending lots of money on the best players, something has to give. |  | | |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:05 - Dec 7 with 2375 views | bluelagos |
Without the campaign to keep away tickets capped, we would all be facing hundreds of extra pounds a season (those of us who go away) - plenty of clubs no doubt charging like Leeds did last year if they could.
So yeah, of course the fans should be speaking out.
But this is Ipswich...and we all know our supporter base is far more at ease doffing their cap than speaking up for supporters rights. When the above campaign was started the mood on here was against it, a number of very vocal posters arguing it was a waste of time rather than something we should be behind. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:07 - Dec 7 with 2365 views | nodge_blue |
There was a Fulham fan on the radio, he was has bought a ticket for himself, his wife and his 4 year old daughter in the new stand at Fulham for a one off game.....£400.
Football is not all about supply and demand. I get annoyed hearing that. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:14 - Dec 7 with 2317 views | bluelagos |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:01 - Dec 7 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is many fans moan when their club doesn't spend enough money on buying 'more' new players.
Other fans will moan about not wanting rich 'doggy' owners, even though that allows the club to spend more on players.
Other fans will moan about their owner not putting more money in, aka Evans
Other fans will complain they don't like the particular advertisers on their clubs shirts ie betting companies even though that allows for spending more on players
Financial fair play rules were introduced to try and stop the crazy spending. But then some fans will moan about it stopping their rich owners from spending more on players.
Other fans will moan about the price of football shirts while standing in a queue to spend £60 on one. Or in my situation the bod standing in front of me moaning about the price purchased three shirts
Then others will moan about the price of tickets.
I still fondly look back on the 50/60s when you could sneak PR without paying, but football has moved on amazingly. Footballers earn money most people only dream about, but I don't mind that, many of them grew up in working class environments, good luck to them. But it all has to be paid for.
Ultimately if fans want cheaper tickets, but also want clubs spending lots of money on the best players, something has to give. |
Clubs are businesses and will make commercial decisions. Giving pensioners concessions makes nil sense from a commercial point of view, if you can easily sell those tickets at a full price.
Which means that the FA need to step in, as they do in other areas and insist on certain basic standards. They do with away fans pricing and on provisions for disabled fans - so it's perfectly possible for them to insist on pensioner or other concessions. Without an overall rule/guide - then we are at the mercy of the clubs and their goodwill if we are to see continued concessions given.
Whether the proposed football regulator has a role to play I guess time will tell. But as it stands, clubs will continue to exploit fans for every penny they can - whether that's over priced tat in the club shop, increasing ticket prices and/or reducing/removing concessions.
And so long as the football delivered is ok, we will nod away, buy the kits, pay for Sky, renew our STs - even more so now as we know how hard it is if you don't have one. | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:19 - Dec 7 with 2299 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:01 - Dec 7 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is many fans moan when their club doesn't spend enough money on buying 'more' new players.
Other fans will moan about not wanting rich 'doggy' owners, even though that allows the club to spend more on players.
Other fans will moan about their owner not putting more money in, aka Evans
Other fans will complain they don't like the particular advertisers on their clubs shirts ie betting companies even though that allows for spending more on players
Financial fair play rules were introduced to try and stop the crazy spending. But then some fans will moan about it stopping their rich owners from spending more on players.
Other fans will moan about the price of football shirts while standing in a queue to spend £60 on one. Or in my situation the bod standing in front of me moaning about the price purchased three shirts
Then others will moan about the price of tickets.
I still fondly look back on the 50/60s when you could sneak PR without paying, but football has moved on amazingly. Footballers earn money most people only dream about, but I don't mind that, many of them grew up in working class environments, good luck to them. But it all has to be paid for.
Ultimately if fans want cheaper tickets, but also want clubs spending lots of money on the best players, something has to give. |
So are you saying that you would support the removal of concessionary rates for youngsters, the elderly and disabled at Ipswich? |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:23 - Dec 7 with 2267 views | bluelagos |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:07 - Dec 7 by nodge_blue |
There was a Fulham fan on the radio, he was has bought a ticket for himself, his wife and his 4 year old daughter in the new stand at Fulham for a one off game.....£400.
Football is not all about supply and demand. I get annoyed hearing that. |
So where you have a scarce resource - the price for any good can go astronomical. Think of touts outside an event - if the demand is there they get mega bucks - if not the price can collapse.
What many clubs seem to be doing is selling plenty of STs (say 2/3 of the ground) which then leaves a load of people chasing what's left.
They then offer over priced packages (throw in a sarnie) and bingo - the clubs are pretty much acting like touts do - but they are legal obs. Exploiting the tourists and the one/two times a year visitors to the max.
Ipswich fans are lucky in that we are not in London and we don't have the huge demand from Scandanavia or Ireland that some clubs do. At West Ham I chatted to a Norwegian West Ham fan whose hubby was a Liverpool fan. They were paying close to £400 to see either team and were happy to do so knowing they would only come to a couple of games a year. | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:24 - Dec 7 with 2261 views | ParisBlue |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:33 - Dec 7 by yesjohn99 |
Any true football supporter has to get behind the campaign. It’s disgraceful the way things are going.
I felt Ipswich took the mick a little bit with the season ticket pricing for this season. Prices went up and we are getting 4 less home games. The club were lucky to hide behind the feel good factor and the ‘well, it’s premier league’ tag. |
Our season tickets are cheap compared to most other teams in the top 2 divisions. I'd expect them to increase, Forest have had 25% increases the last 2 seasons. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:35 - Dec 7 with 2205 views | Dubtractor |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:44 - Dec 7 by Mullet |
But the argument is that you are getting 19 more Premier League games and these are worth more. |
Also, and this is a key point, we weren't promoted when season tickets went on sake and sold out.
That said, I do agree that pricing has gone mad and needs looking at, albeit I don't think our prices are too bad. [Post edited 7 Dec 2024 9:37]
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:47 - Dec 7 with 2110 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Make a stand. It’s good to see fans joining together, something we haven’t been great at in this country. German fans have been much better in protesting over the years. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:47 - Dec 7 with 2106 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:19 - Dec 7 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So are you saying that you would support the removal of concessionary rates for youngsters, the elderly and disabled at Ipswich? |
Sounds like it. Get rid of concessions and give the multi-millionaire footballers another million each.
The game’s pretty much corrupted. In what other area is the average salary about £4M? As for some of them earning £20M, £30M, £40M….up to over £100M per year. Absolutely nuts. But I suppose Bloom’s right in that it’s partially our consumption of football at ever increasing prices that drives those price rises. It’s sickens me when you consider the gap to normally people and the larger numbers of people facing poverty. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:55 - Dec 7 with 2054 views | Illinoisblue |
A pre-game march with a few bedsheets and then they all go to the game as usual will achieve nothing. Disrupting games and upsetting the TV companies and sponsors is the only way to be really noticed. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:56 - Dec 7 with 2054 views | ParisBlue |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:05 - Dec 7 by bluelagos |
Without the campaign to keep away tickets capped, we would all be facing hundreds of extra pounds a season (those of us who go away) - plenty of clubs no doubt charging like Leeds did last year if they could.
So yeah, of course the fans should be speaking out.
But this is Ipswich...and we all know our supporter base is far more at ease doffing their cap than speaking up for supporters rights. When the above campaign was started the mood on here was against it, a number of very vocal posters arguing it was a waste of time rather than something we should be behind. |
The capping of tickets to £30 in the PL ends this season. Hopefully it's extended but wouldn't surprise me if it gets nudged up to £35. Especially when you see some clubs (e.g. Wolves) charging £29 for concessions.
To be fair to Leeds their charging £30 for all games this season. Not Premier League of course (apparently they missed out on promotion last season....) | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:01 - Dec 7 with 2011 views | bluelagos |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:56 - Dec 7 by ParisBlue |
The capping of tickets to £30 in the PL ends this season. Hopefully it's extended but wouldn't surprise me if it gets nudged up to £35. Especially when you see some clubs (e.g. Wolves) charging £29 for concessions.
To be fair to Leeds their charging £30 for all games this season. Not Premier League of course (apparently they missed out on promotion last season....) |
Didn't know about the cap ending - or that Leeds had changed their pricing. Cheers.
Defo need a cap to remain - can you imagine the highest demand games where tickets are gold dust (Say Manchester, Liverpool or North London derbies) and one club opted to charge what they wanted to away fans?
Wouldn't be long before you got £100 tickets - and people would pay it - just like they did at Leeds last year (where I drew the line for all the use it did) | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:14 - Dec 7 with 1963 views | urbanpenguin |
Oh for more fan share ownership, genuine activism & standing to for equality like in Germany [Post edited 7 Dec 2024 10:15]
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:15 - Dec 7 with 1950 views | TractorWood |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:33 - Dec 7 by yesjohn99 |
Any true football supporter has to get behind the campaign. It’s disgraceful the way things are going.
I felt Ipswich took the mick a little bit with the season ticket pricing for this season. Prices went up and we are getting 4 less home games. The club were lucky to hide behind the feel good factor and the ‘well, it’s premier league’ tag. |
The club are running the gauntlet slightly. If we get relegated there is a chance a lot won't renew.
That said, demand was huge in the summer and they could have raided fans and they didn't really.
The club has quite a lot riding on staying up. If we went down and McKenna leaves, fans who were around for the previous relegation will sense us staying down for another 20 after a freak few years with a genius manager. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:17 - Dec 7 with 1939 views | urbanpenguin |
The thing is, we may soon have a premier League of majority US owners. The push to go to an NFL model for ticketing, fewer games, no relegation etc will become greater - though I hope not from our owners, but I straight they would support much of this as ultimately they have to make decisions to benefit their investment, not us. At the moment those two needs align, but they may not much longer. | | | |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:25 - Dec 7 with 1893 views | ParisBlue |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:15 - Dec 7 by TractorWood |
The club are running the gauntlet slightly. If we get relegated there is a chance a lot won't renew.
That said, demand was huge in the summer and they could have raided fans and they didn't really.
The club has quite a lot riding on staying up. If we went down and McKenna leaves, fans who were around for the previous relegation will sense us staying down for another 20 after a freak few years with a genius manager. |
I don't think there's much of a risk of fans not renewing relegated or not. I'd expect another 5% increase at least to edge the cheapest ticket towards (but still under) £400. Individual match tickets start at £32 and season ticket holders can sell the games they can't attend. It doesn't make sense to not renew (unless you're relocating to the moon).
If you only attend 10 games and sell 13 then it's a huge money saver. And the club are happy as in effect they get to resell your seat for a profit.
The impending season ticket waiting list will help judge demand vs supply and the need for redeveloping the stands. [Post edited 7 Dec 2024 10:30]
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:49 - Dec 7 with 1801 views | TractorWood |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:25 - Dec 7 by ParisBlue |
I don't think there's much of a risk of fans not renewing relegated or not. I'd expect another 5% increase at least to edge the cheapest ticket towards (but still under) £400. Individual match tickets start at £32 and season ticket holders can sell the games they can't attend. It doesn't make sense to not renew (unless you're relocating to the moon).
If you only attend 10 games and sell 13 then it's a huge money saver. And the club are happy as in effect they get to resell your seat for a profit.
The impending season ticket waiting list will help judge demand vs supply and the need for redeveloping the stands. [Post edited 7 Dec 2024 10:30]
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Agree bar the redevelopment requirement.
There is no need to develop the ground from a commercial perspective until established in the Prem. Total distraction and not worth it in terms of small up tick in revenue. The broadcast revenue is the material revenue stream to cease. | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 13:20 - Dec 7 with 1658 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Needs proper boycotts of matches. |  |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 13:52 - Dec 7 with 1591 views | ParisBlue |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 10:49 - Dec 7 by TractorWood |
Agree bar the redevelopment requirement.
There is no need to develop the ground from a commercial perspective until established in the Prem. Total distraction and not worth it in terms of small up tick in revenue. The broadcast revenue is the material revenue stream to cease. |
I don't think we'll be in a hurry to rebuild the Cobbold, but Ashton has spoken about expanding the West/Pioneer Stand first. That's a much smaller project I'd imagine and I believe would add 4k. | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 23:20 - Dec 7 with 1356 views | amdam81 |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 09:47 - Dec 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Sounds like it. Get rid of concessions and give the multi-millionaire footballers another million each.
The game’s pretty much corrupted. In what other area is the average salary about £4M? As for some of them earning £20M, £30M, £40M….up to over £100M per year. Absolutely nuts. But I suppose Bloom’s right in that it’s partially our consumption of football at ever increasing prices that drives those price rises. It’s sickens me when you consider the gap to normally people and the larger numbers of people facing poverty. |
Meant to upvote you ⬆️ 🥴 | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 23:24 - Dec 7 with 1345 views | Zx1988 |
| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 13:20 - Dec 7 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Needs proper boycotts of matches. |
Boycotts and disruption.
German fans got massive traction last season by disrupting games week-in-week-out by throwing tennis balls onto the pitch. | |
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| Worth making a stand or "just the way it is?" on 08:54 - Dec 8 with 1090 views | DJR |
I'll be out there! I've just turned 65, so was looking forward to the concession on my season ticket next season. |  | | |
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