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Was that a penalty on Leif? 22:38 - Dec 14 with 2974 views

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:39 - Dec 14 with 2749 views

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Think that would’ve been soft tbh, but equally if that’s anywhere else on the pitch the ref gives it.

I was right behind the Burns shot, that was heading in. Shame it was a good height for the keeper, a bit lower and it’s in the bottom corner.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:40 - Dec 14 with 2731 views

mrfixit426

Soft. He's developing a habit of collapsing at the slightest touch from behind lately, and the PGMOL would have noted that.

However, I've seen them given.......

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:44 - Dec 14 with 2677 views

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:40 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426
Soft. He's developing a habit of collapsing at the slightest touch from behind lately, and the PGMOL would have noted that. However, I've seen them given.......

Looked a clear shove in the back. There was anothe ron the edge of the box later as well.

Supposedly VAR checked, but suspiciously, no replay.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:46 - Dec 14 with 2649 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:44 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
Looked a clear shove in the back. There was anothe ron the edge of the box later as well. Supposedly VAR checked, but suspiciously, no replay.

He slowed down deliberately to invite the contact. I hate it. It happens all the time all over the league and I don't understand how refs still fall for it.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:48 - Dec 14 with 2606 views

redrickstuhaart

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:46 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426
He slowed down deliberately to invite the contact. I hate it. It happens all the time all over the league and I don't understand how refs still fall for it.

You are entitled to slow down.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:48 - Dec 14 with 2599 views

Dubtractor

No, I wouldn't have given that.

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:52 - Dec 14 with 2558 views

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:48 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
No, I wouldn't have given that.

I watched the game thinking how sht I’d be at being a ref.
Multiple times I thought we’d fouled them, but nothing given, then thought the ref gave us cheap free kicks 😂

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:53 - Dec 14 with 2550 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:48 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
You are entitled to slow down.

OK. I'm watching MOTD but I'll pause it to explain. If you're running alongside another player, maybe slightly in front of them, and then step across them and stop or slow down immediately, they will run into you. There is nothing they can do about it. They are not fouling you - you are manufacturing the foul.

I don't understand why this is always given. It's sportsmanship and I hate it. It's also the default way out of a tight corner. Never happened ten years ago.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:54 - Dec 14 with 2531 views

redrickstuhaart

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:53 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426

Nonsense. It is absolutely a coached skill to take the ball across an opponent's path so they have to back off or risk a foul.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:55 - Dec 14 with 2518 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:54 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
Nonsense. It is absolutely a coached skill to take the ball across an opponent's path so they have to back off or risk a foul.

OK.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:55 - Dec 14 with 2512 views

Westover

It would be given as a foul outside the box but not in because we are Ipswich Town.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:55 - Dec 14 with 2507 views

textbackup

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:54 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
Nonsense. It is absolutely a coached skill to take the ball across an opponent's path so they have to back off or risk a foul.

It’s literally taught ‘cut across your man’

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:58 - Dec 14 with 2447 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:55 - Dec 14 by textbackup
It’s literally taught ‘cut across your man’

Yeah but it's taken to extremes. It doesn't happen immediately any more. Run and run and invite it and then it's a "sleight of hand" to fool the refs.

Anyway. I'm not winning this one and I've lost the will to try.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:09 - Dec 14 with 2345 views

Vaughan8

Soft but yes. But lets face it, we didn't get the Chaplin one vs Leicester soi what chance do we have for this.

I'd imagine if it was Mo Salah (or other top player) they'd have got a penalty, lets put it that way!

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:12 - Dec 14 with 2330 views

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commentator said that it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch.

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:14 - Dec 14 with 2286 views

Dubtractor

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:58 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426
Yeah but it's taken to extremes. It doesn't happen immediately any more. Run and run and invite it and then it's a "sleight of hand" to fool the refs. Anyway. I'm not winning this one and I've lost the will to try.

I agree with you FWIW - of course running across the defender has always happened, but it's done so cynically now with the sudden slow in pace too. And it happens all over the pitch.

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:29 - Dec 14 with 2172 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:14 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
I agree with you FWIW - of course running across the defender has always happened, but it's done so cynically now with the sudden slow in pace too. And it happens all over the pitch.

Thanks Dubs. Maybe I'm a bit old school. I used to cut across defenders all the time, but never deliberately slowed down to invite the contact. I just wanted to stop their momentum chasing me.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:31 - Dec 14 with 2152 views

N2_Blue

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:54 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
Nonsense. It is absolutely a coached skill to take the ball across an opponent's path so they have to back off or risk a foul.

Quite, If you slow down and shield the ball and someone clatters you from behind because you are are moving slower than them how can it not be a foul?

Whats the differnder between changing direction or changing speed to trick a defender.

Tottally absurd to say its soft or not a foul. Players nowadays go down way to easily, I agree with that, but a player slowing down to shield the ball and getting clattered is not soft or manufactured. Its just a foul. If you think that soft and annoying why not target your anger at the defending player for not letting the attacker maneouve. Why should the defender have all the advantage. Its a coached skill or intelligence for attakers to draw a foul or fool a defender thriguht either change of direction or change of speed

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:33 - Dec 14 with 2107 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:31 - Dec 14 by N2_Blue

I have no anger. But they are manufactured fouls.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:34 - Dec 14 with 2092 views

N2_Blue

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:53 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426

Utterly absurd take.

So whats the difference between changing direction / dummying as a piece of skill to fool a defender as to changing speed to fool a defender?

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:36 - Dec 14 with 2077 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:34 - Dec 14 by N2_Blue
Utterly absurd take. So whats the difference between changing direction / dummying as a piece of skill to fool a defender as to changing speed to fool a defender?

OK. I'm not going to argue with you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not going to ruin this day for myself

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 23:36 - Dec 14 with 2068 views

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:48 - Dec 14 by redrickstuhaart
You are entitled to slow down.

You tell that to Sandra Bullock.

Actually, I'm happy to tell her if you don't want to.

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 00:19 - Dec 15 with 1899 views

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Was that a penalty on Leif? on 22:53 - Dec 14 by mrfixit426

You hate sportsmanship? Shocking thing to say.

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 01:22 - Dec 15 with 1728 views

mrfixit426

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 00:19 - Dec 15 by MattinLondon
You hate sportsmanship? Shocking thing to say.

My bad. what I meant was gamesmanship. It's been a long day!

Was that a penalty on Leif? on 04:39 - Dec 15 with 1522 views

ibbleobble

Too soft. It doesn’t make this list:

Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against by ibbleobble 27 Oct 2024 16:29
KM said there’s no point reflecting on questionable decisions as they even out during the course of the season. Let’s keep this thread going and add to it as the season progresses to see where it nets out:

AGAINST:

1 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson awards a free-kick for a Davis foul on Savio. VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Haaland converts (VAR official: David Coote).

2 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson fails to award a penalty for a trip on Davis in the box (VAR official: David Coote).

3 - vs Everton: Michael Oliver awards a penalty for a trip on Clarke but VAR overrules it (VAR official: Graham Scott).

4 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards a free kick and yellow card for a foul outside of the box but VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Mbuemo converts (VAR official: Peter Bankes).

5 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards Clarke a second yellow for a foul on the edge of the box and sends him off (VAR official: Peter Bankes).

6 - vs Leicester: Fatawu bundles Chaplin over in the box in the 77th minute without making an attempt to win the ball but Tim Robinson and VAR fail to award a penalty (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).

7 - vs Leicester: Phillips leaves a leg out as Pereira clears the ball and a second yellow is issued by Tim Robinson and Phillips is dismissed despite looking to pull out of the tackle seconds after the penalty failed to be awarded (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).

8 - vs Nottingham Forest: Szmodics leaves a leg trailing in the box and despite minimal contact, Jota makes a meal of it, goes down and VAR doesn’t overrule Matt Harrington’s penalty decision (VAR official: Matt Donohue)

9 - vs Bournemouth: Burgess heads the ball into the net but Michael Salisbury blows for a foul, an infringement by Delap when there seemed little to anything in it. No VAR intervention. (VAR official: Paul Tierney).

10 - vs Newcastle: VAR intervene in an offside call after Isak scores and after a 3-minute delay overrule the lineswoman’s decision allowing Newcastle’s goal to stand despite the initial angle looking offside and the line call very marginal. A precedent was set earlier in the season with such close call in favour of an offside ruling. Referee was Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Craig Taylor)

11 - vs Brighton: Joao Pedro clatters in to Walton after he’s played the ball seemingly with no intention to avoid the clash, slow his momentum or pull out of the challenge requiring Walton to need treatment. A yellow card was brandished by Tony Harrington when many feel it should have been a red (VAR official: Michael Salisbury).

12 - vs Aston Villa: Referee Robert Jones issues Tuanzebe a yellow card for a foul on Rogers after clearly winning the ball. The yellow is later followed by a second yellow, reducing the side to ten-men.(VAR official: Michael Oliver)

FOR:

1 - vs Liverpool: Burns on a yellow deliberately handles the ball on the ground when contesting possession with Jota but Tim Robinson fails to see it to issue a second yellow.

2 - vs Villa: Morsy tackles Onana and goes over the ball and despite being on a yellow card, gets away without a second yellow from Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Darren England)

3 - vs Chelsea: John Brooks awards a penalty after Delap goes through on goal and despite a stumble and the ball running out of play, he’s caught by Jorgensen whilst getting back to his feet and goes over for a penalty upheld by VAR (VAR official: Michael Oliver)

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