| Palmer 11:52 - Apr 21 with 3521 views | portmanking |
I seemed to be the only one in the NSL bemoaning Palmer for the first goal yesterday. Am I the only one on here who thought he was criminally slow in getting down to the shot? Morsy's ice-cold glare at him suggested he felt Palmer should've done much better too.
There seems to be a real love-in with Palmer among the fans (simply because he's not Muric, perhaps?) But I can't really see much difference between him and Walton IMO. |  | | |  |
| Palmer on 11:59 - Apr 21 with 2377 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Really? You want to put that on Palmer rather than Morsy not getting a tackle in or O'Shea standing off Trossard and right infront of Palmer with his legs wide open literally inviting the nutmeg? |  |
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| Palmer on 11:59 - Apr 21 with 2373 views | NthQldITFC |
At first view I thought the same (and still do to a small extent) but the through-the-legs element takes a lot of time away from the keeper, especially at close range like that because if the keeper is upright, the defenders torso can completely obscure the shot until the ball pops out from between his legs.
The only mitigation is for the keeper to be more spread-legged earlier and lower, but then he's got less chance of dealing with a lifted shot around the defender. |  |
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| Palmer on 12:01 - Apr 21 with 2364 views | Mullet |
O’Shea left him unsighted and he got megged, but palmer might have done better - i think we are seeing that the stick and witch-hunt Muric got was a little unjustified at times. Compared to Leif, those who like blaming players seem to have a blind spot etc.
I think it just doesn’t matter now either does it? [Post edited 21 Apr 12:21]
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| Palmer on 12:04 - Apr 21 with 2344 views | mellowblue |
Keeper's view was partially blocked by O'Shea. I don't think Palmer's reactions quite match the best Premier keepers. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:05 - Apr 21 with 2331 views | Churchman |
He made that real schoolboy howler in the first half against Wolves that should have cost a goal and had that been Muric, he’d have been hammered for it on here. Tbh all keepers make mistakes, even £43m Andre Onana, who was sensational against us. It’s just the nature of out. Outfield player mistake - often redeemed. Keeper error? Dirty great spotlight.
I don’t think there’s much difference between our three. Palmer and Walton look a bit calmer, but Muric looks more agile and to have greater potential. I think they’re all decent but let’s face it, they’ve been at the wrong end of a coconut shy for most games.
We are so far short there’s little point on picking on them. In Saints’ £25m Ramsdale, he’s probably better than our keepers, when he’s fit, but they’re still relegated by a mile. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:10]
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| Palmer on 12:06 - Apr 21 with 2328 views | GreenEye |
It was almost identical to Sarmiento's goal against Southampton last season. Through four players and the keeper was beaten. Sometimes, you need to credit the goalscorer. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:06 - Apr 21 with 2327 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 11:59 - Apr 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Really? You want to put that on Palmer rather than Morsy not getting a tackle in or O'Shea standing off Trossard and right infront of Palmer with his legs wide open literally inviting the nutmeg? |
I think he's just as culpable, yes. Was really the only place a shot could've gone and his reaction times were worrying. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:08 - Apr 21 with 2307 views | CopfordBlue |
A genuinely premier league quality keeper would have probably saved it, just as premier league quality defenders would have prevented it from being a shot that needed to be saved.
Palmer has done well since he came in, a big improvement on Muric and probably at least as well as well as Walton would have done. He’s not in the top 17 or 18 keepers in the division but is likely to rank in the top 5 in the championship. You could say the same about almost every member of our squad in their positions.
The simple fact is, individually and collectively the players/team are not good enough to compete consistently in this league. | |
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| Palmer on 12:10 - Apr 21 with 2282 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Palmer on 12:06 - Apr 21 by portmanking |
I think he's just as culpable, yes. Was really the only place a shot could've gone and his reaction times were worrying. |
Just as culpable, but you didn't mention either in your OP? He's unsighted for the first, his reaction time is irrelevant because of it.
As others have mentioned, seems like another witch hunt is starting. Have you considered it might be that you were "the only one bemoaning Palmer" where you sit, because everyone else didn't see it that way? | |
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| Palmer on 12:11 - Apr 21 with 2266 views | algy |
The way our games usually go these days, there's so much play in our penalty area that any goalkeeper has less time to react to shots. Yesterday we had just 5 touches in the arsenal penalty area while they had 70 in ours and with our trying to build from the very back I wouldn't be surprised if we had a similar number. It's not the normal it used to be but that's just the way it is. | |
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| Palmer on 12:12 - Apr 21 with 2259 views | mellowblue |
| Palmer on 12:08 - Apr 21 by CopfordBlue |
A genuinely premier league quality keeper would have probably saved it, just as premier league quality defenders would have prevented it from being a shot that needed to be saved.
Palmer has done well since he came in, a big improvement on Muric and probably at least as well as well as Walton would have done. He’s not in the top 17 or 18 keepers in the division but is likely to rank in the top 5 in the championship. You could say the same about almost every member of our squad in their positions.
The simple fact is, individually and collectively the players/team are not good enough to compete consistently in this league. |
Palmer has a calm presence and is more predictable, the defence look more composed with him behind them than with the haphazard Muric. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 2250 views | Steve_M |
Yeah, I think he should do better there too, not the only one culpable but, as well as Trossard does to get the shot away, they shouldn't score from there. Dub mentioned it an an earlier post but Palmer does seem to have a bit of an issue with low shots.
Goals one and three were really bad goals whereas, IMO, the second was really good football that we might have defended better. |  |
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| Palmer on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 2246 views | bournemouthblue |
That wasn't my first concern when that went in, my first question is how two or three people are on him and he has still beaten them |  |
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| Palmer on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 2235 views | Churchman |
| Palmer on 12:10 - Apr 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Just as culpable, but you didn't mention either in your OP? He's unsighted for the first, his reaction time is irrelevant because of it.
As others have mentioned, seems like another witch hunt is starting. Have you considered it might be that you were "the only one bemoaning Palmer" where you sit, because everyone else didn't see it that way? |
I think the speed of Arsenal’s attacks might have wrong footed him a little, but he wasn’t alone - the rest of the defence were too. Sometimes you have to give a little credit to the opposition. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:18 - Apr 21 with 2174 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:10 - Apr 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Just as culpable, but you didn't mention either in your OP? He's unsighted for the first, his reaction time is irrelevant because of it.
As others have mentioned, seems like another witch hunt is starting. Have you considered it might be that you were "the only one bemoaning Palmer" where you sit, because everyone else didn't see it that way? |
What witch hunt are you on about? I have an opinion that differs from yours, it doesn't mean I'm making a bedsheet about it. Jeez, this forum sucks for debate these days.
I don't believe he was unsighted, I sit directly behind where the ball was at the time of the shot and I could still see it - and there was no way it was going in any other part of the goal. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:19 - Apr 21 with 2165 views | _clive_baker_ |
It's also possible that others might've thought he was slow to get down to it, but also didn't feel it necessary to publicly 'bemoan' him after the contribution he's made so far. |  | | |
| Palmer on 12:22 - Apr 21 with 2093 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:08 - Apr 21 by CopfordBlue |
A genuinely premier league quality keeper would have probably saved it, just as premier league quality defenders would have prevented it from being a shot that needed to be saved.
Palmer has done well since he came in, a big improvement on Muric and probably at least as well as well as Walton would have done. He’s not in the top 17 or 18 keepers in the division but is likely to rank in the top 5 in the championship. You could say the same about almost every member of our squad in their positions.
The simple fact is, individually and collectively the players/team are not good enough to compete consistently in this league. |
Yep, agreed.
I think the goalkeeping position is one that needs sorting once and for all in the next 12 months. I just feel Palmer was more of a sticking plaster signing due to how badly Muric's form had fallen off a cliff. If we're to persist with our current style, I do wonder if Slicker can become the sweeper keeper we need. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:25 - Apr 21 with 2057 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:19 - Apr 21 by _clive_baker_ |
It's also possible that others might've thought he was slow to get down to it, but also didn't feel it necessary to publicly 'bemoan' him after the contribution he's made so far. |
He's done alright. I make it 3 v. good games in 10? (Villa, Bournemouth and Chelsea).
'Publicly bemoan'? I haven't sent him an email critiquing him personally. This is an ITFC forum to discuss the team, is it not? | | | |
| Palmer on 12:28 - Apr 21 with 2031 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Palmer on 12:25 - Apr 21 by portmanking |
He's done alright. I make it 3 v. good games in 10? (Villa, Bournemouth and Chelsea).
'Publicly bemoan'? I haven't sent him an email critiquing him personally. This is an ITFC forum to discuss the team, is it not? |
You literally said "I seemed to be the only one in the NSL bemoaning Palmer for the first goal yesterday". How were you meant to notice anyone else unless they were public with it? | | | |
| Palmer on 12:31 - Apr 21 with 2001 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:28 - Apr 21 by _clive_baker_ |
You literally said "I seemed to be the only one in the NSL bemoaning Palmer for the first goal yesterday". How were you meant to notice anyone else unless they were public with it? |
I can't sit in all 4 stands at once - and there's lots of other fans who will have watched on TV? | | | |
| Palmer on 12:32 - Apr 21 with 1989 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Palmer on 12:14 - Apr 21 by Churchman |
I think the speed of Arsenal’s attacks might have wrong footed him a little, but he wasn’t alone - the rest of the defence were too. Sometimes you have to give a little credit to the opposition. |
I think there's been very little giving credit to the opposition throughout the course of the season if we're really honest. Compared to the level of criticism some of our players have received whilst playing against truly world class players.
The speed of thought is entirely different, the anticipation is entirely different and the levels of concentration are entirely different in all of the established Premier League sides and they are able to eventually just pick us off.
Their 2nd was a perfect illustration of that. | |
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| Palmer on 12:34 - Apr 21 with 1974 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Palmer on 12:31 - Apr 21 by portmanking |
I can't sit in all 4 stands at once - and there's lots of other fans who will have watched on TV? |
What's that got to do with the price of fish? | | | |
| Palmer on 12:36 - Apr 21 with 1960 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:34 - Apr 21 by _clive_baker_ |
What's that got to do with the price of fish? |
You're making a big deal of me being the only one in the NSL being critical of Palmer. My post was to see whether anyone else had a similar perspective. Why the need to be so obtuse? | | | |
| Palmer on 12:38 - Apr 21 with 1944 views | portmanking |
| Palmer on 12:32 - Apr 21 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think there's been very little giving credit to the opposition throughout the course of the season if we're really honest. Compared to the level of criticism some of our players have received whilst playing against truly world class players.
The speed of thought is entirely different, the anticipation is entirely different and the levels of concentration are entirely different in all of the established Premier League sides and they are able to eventually just pick us off.
Their 2nd was a perfect illustration of that. |
I totally agree that most weeks the standard of opposition has been so far above what we're capable of. Taking the blue-tinted specs off, it was always likely to be the case given how far/quickly we've jumped. | | | |
| Palmer on 12:40 - Apr 21 with 1927 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Palmer on 12:36 - Apr 21 by portmanking |
You're making a big deal of me being the only one in the NSL being critical of Palmer. My post was to see whether anyone else had a similar perspective. Why the need to be so obtuse? |
I'm not making a big deal of it, I'm just saying others might've thought he could've done better but not felt the need to publicly "bemoan" him for it. I'm one of those people. | | | |
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