| What would you have done differently? 20:25 - Aug 23 with 816 views | BessacarrBlue |
A third result which isn’t a win was always going to result in the reactions we’ve seen (and will continue to see) on this board. So a genuine question. What would people have wished the board/Ashton/McKenna have done differently this summer? Morsy and Broadhead wanted to leave, if rumours are true so does Luke. We’ve signed experience in Young, a replacement for Morsy and Burgess. We’ve brought back Cajuste, one of the few positives of last year, and added a proven goal scorer from this division. But what would you prefer happened? Just wondered where those who are so opposed to the current situation see the issue? |  | | |  |
| What would you have done differently? on 20:29 - Aug 23 with 756 views | textbackup |
MA said that as we knew our fate early that we could be sorted early for the start of the season.
We knew certain players were leaving.
I’ve no idea what they’ve been doing, apart from moaning at tradesmen to get his walk way in from his box to his seat. |  |
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:30 - Aug 23 with 769 views | CopfordBlue |
It’s too simplistic to say Morsy, Broadhead, Burgess and apparently Woolfy want to leave. There’s no way any of them would have contemplated leaving last summer. We don’t know for certain but the way they were pushed aside in favour of players who cost fortunes and probably earning multiples of their wages is almost certainly why. Whose decision was it to recruit and replace them while they were in the form of their lives? | |
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:35 - Aug 23 with 742 views | BessacarrBlue |
| What would you have done differently? on 20:30 - Aug 23 by CopfordBlue |
It’s too simplistic to say Morsy, Broadhead, Burgess and apparently Woolfy want to leave. There’s no way any of them would have contemplated leaving last summer. We don’t know for certain but the way they were pushed aside in favour of players who cost fortunes and probably earning multiples of their wages is almost certainly why. Whose decision was it to recruit and replace them while they were in the form of their lives? |
So to summarise, you think the club should have offered contracts to those players and built around the old guard? [Post edited 23 Aug 20:35]
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:41 - Aug 23 with 674 views | CopfordBlue |
| What would you have done differently? on 20:35 - Aug 23 by BessacarrBlue |
So to summarise, you think the club should have offered contracts to those players and built around the old guard? [Post edited 23 Aug 20:35]
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“Old guard”? If you mean given Burgess and Woolfy more of a chance then yes I do. Same for Broadhead, a talented player who was more effective in the limited minutes he got last season than any player who came in last year. Morsy was a tougher one as it would have been hard to stand in his way when the once in a lifetime opportunity came along but we were poorly prepared for his sudden departure. | |
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:41 - Aug 23 with 671 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It all comes back to one thing, the recruitment of the summer 2024. |  |
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:43 - Aug 23 with 664 views | Sarge |
1) I would have played Broadhead last season, likely reducing his desire to leave. After all nobody wants to be a bit part player, especially one playing understudy to some woefully underperforming starters
2) I would have given Burgess the LCB slot since he seemed better at it than Greaves. I also wouldn’t have bought Greaves in the first place and thus wouldn’t be keeping a £15m player on the bench
3) Accepting that keeping Morsy was never on the cards I’d have replaced him with Gus Hamer whilst also bringing in Matusiwa and leaving Taylor as an option from the bench.
4) I would end the obsession with pursuing players across multiple windows regardless of whether we feel we have a role for them. Done it with Hirst, Philogene, and Taylor with only Hirst so far really showing it was worth it.
5) We seem to have overestimated the desire of players to actually come here. Philogene reluctantly did at the third attempt, Hackney and Azon both seem to have turned us down. We’ve expended a lot of effort and spent a lot of time getting them as far as a medical, did we really not have any clue that they had no interest in joining?
6) I would have shown far greater loyalty to the players that got us to the PL. They literally did nothing wrong and really couldn’t have done any worse than the players that replaced them. I think it’s massively impacted team morale and cohesion, driven a far greater turnover of players than we would have wanted and lumbered us with very expensive and very average looking players whose ceiling appears to be no higher than the Championship
7) I would be racing to finish the deal for Egeli and for a striker equal to or greater than Hirst to share the role with him. We seem to be more keen to player two strikers in the second half, our reluctance to last season was a major oversight, so both can expect good game time. The guy from Millwall appears popular, I’ve no insight on any particular target. [Post edited 23 Aug 20:44]
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:46 - Aug 23 with 624 views | BessacarrBlue |
| What would you have done differently? on 20:43 - Aug 23 by Sarge |
1) I would have played Broadhead last season, likely reducing his desire to leave. After all nobody wants to be a bit part player, especially one playing understudy to some woefully underperforming starters
2) I would have given Burgess the LCB slot since he seemed better at it than Greaves. I also wouldn’t have bought Greaves in the first place and thus wouldn’t be keeping a £15m player on the bench
3) Accepting that keeping Morsy was never on the cards I’d have replaced him with Gus Hamer whilst also bringing in Matusiwa and leaving Taylor as an option from the bench.
4) I would end the obsession with pursuing players across multiple windows regardless of whether we feel we have a role for them. Done it with Hirst, Philogene, and Taylor with only Hirst so far really showing it was worth it.
5) We seem to have overestimated the desire of players to actually come here. Philogene reluctantly did at the third attempt, Hackney and Azon both seem to have turned us down. We’ve expended a lot of effort and spent a lot of time getting them as far as a medical, did we really not have any clue that they had no interest in joining?
6) I would have shown far greater loyalty to the players that got us to the PL. They literally did nothing wrong and really couldn’t have done any worse than the players that replaced them. I think it’s massively impacted team morale and cohesion, driven a far greater turnover of players than we would have wanted and lumbered us with very expensive and very average looking players whose ceiling appears to be no higher than the Championship
7) I would be racing to finish the deal for Egeli and for a striker equal to or greater than Hirst to share the role with him. We seem to be more keen to player two strikers in the second half, our reluctance to last season was a major oversight, so both can expect good game time. The guy from Millwall appears popular, I’ve no insight on any particular target. [Post edited 23 Aug 20:44]
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| What would you have done differently? on 20:59 - Aug 23 with 561 views | Churchman |
Not seen enough - only two of the three games. I’ve no problem with the players who left going. They wanted to leave. Anyone else at the club not committed would have gone too - at any price.
If fit I’d play Chaplin. We have no goals in the team. Utterly toothless. He knows where the goal is and links play. Only Hirst does that of the rest but while he can score a goal is he’s not a natural goalscoring centre forward.
The midfield provided nothing last season, nor will it this. Cajuste? I fear rinse and repeat of last season - flattering to deceive. I notice Humphreys wasn’t in the squad. If not injured I’d like to see him in the team. He is better than Taylor and has energy, heart and a feel for the club. Something few of the rest have.
Finally I notice Coventry had a great win today. We murdered them last season in January. I suspect we wouldn’t now. Work to be done. |  | | |
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| What would you have done differently? on 21:10 - Aug 23 with 512 views | Trequartista |
a) I think Morsy only wanted to leave because he got a 2 year deal in Kuwait so we could have offered him a 2 year deal.
b) more pre-season games, we're lacking connections between players that were bought last season as well as those that are new |  |
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| What would you have done differently? on 21:19 - Aug 23 with 476 views | DavoIPB |
Change the recruitment entirely for 2024. Abroad, top quality cheaper players aka Sunderland.
Not buy from a west brom team that we beat and finished above. A Blackburn team that were woeful and a Burnley team that got relegated.
In reality MA has done what he did at Bristol. Buy lots of young players selling some for big profits, get stuck with the ones nobody else wants and buy cheaper lesser players, Bristol city fans slated him for it.
If I was km I would play players in their best roles. Stop picking poor performing players and pick our best players and play them in their best roles.
I would have played broady lots last season. Most creative player at the club | | | |
| What would you have done differently? on 21:28 - Aug 23 with 380 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What would you have done differently? on 20:43 - Aug 23 by Sarge |
1) I would have played Broadhead last season, likely reducing his desire to leave. After all nobody wants to be a bit part player, especially one playing understudy to some woefully underperforming starters
2) I would have given Burgess the LCB slot since he seemed better at it than Greaves. I also wouldn’t have bought Greaves in the first place and thus wouldn’t be keeping a £15m player on the bench
3) Accepting that keeping Morsy was never on the cards I’d have replaced him with Gus Hamer whilst also bringing in Matusiwa and leaving Taylor as an option from the bench.
4) I would end the obsession with pursuing players across multiple windows regardless of whether we feel we have a role for them. Done it with Hirst, Philogene, and Taylor with only Hirst so far really showing it was worth it.
5) We seem to have overestimated the desire of players to actually come here. Philogene reluctantly did at the third attempt, Hackney and Azon both seem to have turned us down. We’ve expended a lot of effort and spent a lot of time getting them as far as a medical, did we really not have any clue that they had no interest in joining?
6) I would have shown far greater loyalty to the players that got us to the PL. They literally did nothing wrong and really couldn’t have done any worse than the players that replaced them. I think it’s massively impacted team morale and cohesion, driven a far greater turnover of players than we would have wanted and lumbered us with very expensive and very average looking players whose ceiling appears to be no higher than the Championship
7) I would be racing to finish the deal for Egeli and for a striker equal to or greater than Hirst to share the role with him. We seem to be more keen to player two strikers in the second half, our reluctance to last season was a major oversight, so both can expect good game time. The guy from Millwall appears popular, I’ve no insight on any particular target. [Post edited 23 Aug 20:44]
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Have an uppie. |  |
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| What would you have done differently? on 21:35 - Aug 23 with 348 views | ITFCSG |
| What would you have done differently? on 21:19 - Aug 23 by DavoIPB |
Change the recruitment entirely for 2024. Abroad, top quality cheaper players aka Sunderland.
Not buy from a west brom team that we beat and finished above. A Blackburn team that were woeful and a Burnley team that got relegated.
In reality MA has done what he did at Bristol. Buy lots of young players selling some for big profits, get stuck with the ones nobody else wants and buy cheaper lesser players, Bristol city fans slated him for it.
If I was km I would play players in their best roles. Stop picking poor performing players and pick our best players and play them in their best roles.
I would have played broady lots last season. Most creative player at the club |
I said umpteen times last season and I will say it again the lack of overseas recruitment and/or McK's reluctance to sign non-English speakers have cost us. A LOT.
Tanaka last season. Kyogo this season.
Winger. Segecic at Portsmouth cost a fraction of McAteer and is just as good or better. Watched him in the flesh a couple of times at Sydney FC in the A-League and ACL 2 last season. So why are we throwing money at the more expensive option. I am sure similar examples exist for J Clarke, Philogene, Greaves etc. as well, all of which we massively overpaid for in terms of their footballing abilities to date | | | |
| What would you have done differently? on 22:02 - Aug 23 with 244 views | muccletonjoe |
Players are not the problem, the way they are asked to play, the team mentality and the emphasis of our play is the same in every game. Until people get that we are as easy to defend against as a Sunday league side, nothing will change and nothing does never change. |  | | |
| What would you have done differently? on 22:10 - Aug 23 with 199 views | itfcsuth |
Summer of 24 - was a disasterclass.
I understand the strategy, we thought we were bringing in talent to improve us, both short and long term. That didn’t come to fruition, and we are now trying to rectify that.
I think that is probably the part people do not appreciate, we’re still in a rebuild from the 2024 disasterclass, and we are not there yet. [Post edited 23 Aug 22:11]
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| What would you have done differently? on 22:15 - Aug 23 with 163 views | itfcsuth |
| What would you have done differently? on 22:02 - Aug 23 by muccletonjoe |
Players are not the problem, the way they are asked to play, the team mentality and the emphasis of our play is the same in every game. Until people get that we are as easy to defend against as a Sunday league side, nothing will change and nothing does never change. |
It wasn’t a problem from 2022-2024.
There is a problem with the players, firstly they are not as good as their price tags suggest, and that is deluding some to thinking they are better than they are, and secondly, it’s a new group, there is a real lack of cohesion and confidence, and that only comes from repetitive work in games. | | | |
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