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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:06 - Oct 4 with 3046 views | Herbivore |
I'm guessing you go to bed wearing George Burley jim jams and it's clear you're getting upset. I'm sorry that I don't see struggling and getting sacked after 6 months as being a success. I wonder what your views on Hurst's time here will be if he gets the boot in less than 6 months. |  |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:06 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
I'm guessing you go to bed wearing George Burley jim jams and it's clear you're getting upset. I'm sorry that I don't see struggling and getting sacked after 6 months as being a success. I wonder what your views on Hurst's time here will be if he gets the boot in less than 6 months. |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:15 - Oct 4 with 3016 views | BloomBlue |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 21:47 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Well I guess if you choose to ignore his failures then yeah, he's never failed. Jesus wept. |
That's the problem, Burley gave us some wonderful times but he was the manager who took us from 5th to relegation and that is the biggest failure on any managers CV, but many fans like to ignore that. |  | | |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:15 - Oct 4 with 3016 views | Herbivore |
My first post on this thread highlighted that Burley was a very good manager. I loved most of the Burley era and was sad when he left. You are, however, being completely irrational with statements like he's done a good job everywhere he's been. He hasn't.
I also think it's a backward step to consider appointing someone who hasn't worked in 7 years and hasn't achieved success in a decade. To want him here is pure nostalgia and sentiment imo.
Why on earth you're now banging on about Mick McCarthy I have no idea. He left 6 months ago and as far as I'm aware has nothing to do with George Burley. [Post edited 4 Oct 2018 22:15]
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:15 - Oct 4 with 3015 views | Jimmy86 |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 21:10 - Oct 4 by itfcjoe |
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Lee Grant, Pablo Mills and Marcus Tudgay at Derby who all had decent league careers - Grant especially [Post edited 4 Oct 2018 21:12]
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Think Pablo Mills is stretching it a bit... He played for Derby and Rotherham in FL then went on to Crawley, whilst they were still non-league and never got back into the FL | | | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:15 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
My first post on this thread highlighted that Burley was a very good manager. I loved most of the Burley era and was sad when he left. You are, however, being completely irrational with statements like he's done a good job everywhere he's been. He hasn't.
I also think it's a backward step to consider appointing someone who hasn't worked in 7 years and hasn't achieved success in a decade. To want him here is pure nostalgia and sentiment imo.
Why on earth you're now banging on about Mick McCarthy I have no idea. He left 6 months ago and as far as I'm aware has nothing to do with George Burley. [Post edited 4 Oct 2018 22:15]
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:20 - Oct 4 with 2999 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 21:53 - Oct 4 by sparks |
And he only got til Christmas.
Ridiculous to call it a failure in any meaningful sense. |
He only got 2 games for Limassol before the sack. His overall record is good, but after 7 years out he isn’t the man to turn to.
Club From Until Hons. W D L Total Win%
Heart of Midlothian 2005 2005 0 n/a 9 2 1 12 75.00
Ipswich Town 1994 2002 1 185 97 128 410 45.12
Southampton 2005 2008 0 n/a 45 25 39 109 41.28
Colchester United 1994 1994 0 n/a 8 5 7 20 40.00
Derby County 2003 2005 0 n/a 39 25 43 107 36.45
Crystal Palace 2010 2011 0 n/a 7 5 14 26 26.92
Scotland 2008 2009 0 n/a 3 3 8 14 21.43 |  | | |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:21 - Oct 4 with 2999 views | Herbivore |
Okay. If you think that he did a good job with Scotland and Palace then that's your opinion. Bless your heart. | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:21 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Okay. If you think that he did a good job with Scotland and Palace then that's your opinion. Bless your heart. |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:25 - Oct 4 with 2979 views | Herbivore |
Have a look at the tone of your own posts, dear. Self awareness never has been your strongest set. | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:20 - Oct 4 by ElderGrizzly |
He only got 2 games for Limassol before the sack. His overall record is good, but after 7 years out he isn’t the man to turn to.
Club From Until Hons. W D L Total Win%
Heart of Midlothian 2005 2005 0 n/a 9 2 1 12 75.00
Ipswich Town 1994 2002 1 185 97 128 410 45.12
Southampton 2005 2008 0 n/a 45 25 39 109 41.28
Colchester United 1994 1994 0 n/a 8 5 7 20 40.00
Derby County 2003 2005 0 n/a 39 25 43 107 36.45
Crystal Palace 2010 2011 0 n/a 7 5 14 26 26.92
Scotland 2008 2009 0 n/a 3 3 8 14 21.43 |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:25 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Have a look at the tone of your own posts, dear. Self awareness never has been your strongest set. |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 21:13 - Oct 4 by Ely_Blue |
Finidi George
Andy Marshall
Matteo Sereni
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:55 - Oct 4 with 2932 views | Coco |
Was the obvious choice for me as i said many times. He is the heartbeat of the club and the perfect fit for this supposed new philosophy. He should be in charge with Dyer and Hogg alongside him before moving upstairs as DoF overseeing the club philosophy. Seem ridiculously clear to me but I’m just a fecking idiot. |  |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:55 - Oct 4 by Coco |
Was the obvious choice for me as i said many times. He is the heartbeat of the club and the perfect fit for this supposed new philosophy. He should be in charge with Dyer and Hogg alongside him before moving upstairs as DoF overseeing the club philosophy. Seem ridiculously clear to me but I’m just a fecking idiot. |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 00:06 - Oct 5 with 2890 views | patrickswell |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:15 - Oct 4 by BloomBlue |
That's the problem, Burley gave us some wonderful times but he was the manager who took us from 5th to relegation and that is the biggest failure on any managers CV, but many fans like to ignore that. |
This is true and it’s heartbreaking.
He was never the luckiest of managers either. Made a cracking start at Hearts and set a platform from which they could have won the SPL only for the owner to decide that it’s all down to him and to prove it, he sacks Burley when Hearts were unbeaten in the dozen games George had managed.
Goes to Southampton and in first full season there, he gets them to the play-offs where they lose to Derby on penalties. Why unlucky? Had the away goal rule been in force, Southampton would have gone through. As for Scotland, they get drawn in the 5 team group so have a much harder route and to top it off, Chris Iwelumo....
Am pretty sure his last win at Palace though was at Norwich, at least... [Post edited 5 Oct 2018 0:07]
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 00:18 - Oct 5 with 2877 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
You what? 2 and 1/2 seasons in the top flight of English football makes Burley one of the best GB's managers in the last 25 years? What are you on about?
A list of his trophies please? Just want to see what qualifies him to be regarded as one of the best ones.
He had a MIXED spell at Ipswich. A few good moments but some disastrous moments too. [Post edited 5 Oct 2018 0:19]
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 00:58 - Oct 5 with 2851 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 00:18 - Oct 5 by Mach_foreignBlue |
You what? 2 and 1/2 seasons in the top flight of English football makes Burley one of the best GB's managers in the last 25 years? What are you on about?
A list of his trophies please? Just want to see what qualifies him to be regarded as one of the best ones.
He had a MIXED spell at Ipswich. A few good moments but some disastrous moments too. [Post edited 5 Oct 2018 0:19]
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Libero's claim was extremely bold but you are being rather harsh saying he 'had a few good moments but some disastrous moments'. If finishing 5th in the Premiership and taking us into Europe is simply good then you have extremely high standards.
Burley gave us the best times I can remember as a 28 year old Town fan, times that I would pay a significant sum of money to relive. We played entertaining football, scored plenty of goals, integrated and developed academy players and ultimately after several consecutive seasons of the play offs we got promoted and we had an identity and a club we were all proud of. | | | |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 07:11 - Oct 5 with 2820 views | Herbivore |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 00:58 - Oct 5 by tractorboy1978 |
Libero's claim was extremely bold but you are being rather harsh saying he 'had a few good moments but some disastrous moments'. If finishing 5th in the Premiership and taking us into Europe is simply good then you have extremely high standards.
Burley gave us the best times I can remember as a 28 year old Town fan, times that I would pay a significant sum of money to relive. We played entertaining football, scored plenty of goals, integrated and developed academy players and ultimately after several consecutive seasons of the play offs we got promoted and we had an identity and a club we were all proud of. |
He won manager of the season for that 5th place finish, it was a pretty staggering thing we achieved that season. Ultimately it was probably too much too soon sadly but it was a great ride.
Burley was a great manager but 7 years out of the game and his two worst managerial jobs (I'm not including the 2 games in Cyprus) coming at the end of his career doesn't suggest to me that bringing him back is a good idea. I'd rather keep the memories. | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 07:32 - Oct 5 with 2801 views | Johnny_Boy |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 22:21 - Oct 4 by Herbivore |
Okay. If you think that he did a good job with Scotland and Palace then that's your opinion. Bless your heart. |
From what I remember of the Scotland situation, there were players refusing to play after discipline issues. Off field behaviour problems. IIRC, he tried to introduce the yoofs.
Senior players from Celtic & Rangers had issues with him. |  | | |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 07:47 - Oct 5 with 2788 views | Herbivore |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 07:32 - Oct 5 by Johnny_Boy |
From what I remember of the Scotland situation, there were players refusing to play after discipline issues. Off field behaviour problems. IIRC, he tried to introduce the yoofs.
Senior players from Celtic & Rangers had issues with him. |
I'm not sure that entirely excuses him from being statistically their worst manager in recent times. Look, I love Burley. He's a Town legend and we enjoyed some great times under him, being at Wembley for the play off final was one of the greatest experiences of my life. But let's not rewrite history. Things went wrong for Burley at Scotland and Palace, they went wrong for him during his last 15 months here too. Let's not whitewash his career and pretend that he's only ever excelled. He hasn't, and it's evident he was on a downward trajectory towards the end of his managerial career and that should ring alarm bells for anyone considering wheeling him back out after such a long time on the shelf. | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 08:34 - Oct 5 with 2761 views | Johnny_Boy |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 07:47 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure that entirely excuses him from being statistically their worst manager in recent times. Look, I love Burley. He's a Town legend and we enjoyed some great times under him, being at Wembley for the play off final was one of the greatest experiences of my life. But let's not rewrite history. Things went wrong for Burley at Scotland and Palace, they went wrong for him during his last 15 months here too. Let's not whitewash his career and pretend that he's only ever excelled. He hasn't, and it's evident he was on a downward trajectory towards the end of his managerial career and that should ring alarm bells for anyone considering wheeling him back out after such a long time on the shelf. |
The Scotland situation was a complicated mess. When your experienced players practically refuse to play for the squad - after being punished for disciplinary reasons. He got no backing from the Old Firm managers. He was effectively on a hiding to nothing.
But....he was trying to bring the youngsters into the first team squad.
Maybe it was done too quickly. But, he was credited for doing that. | | | |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 08:45 - Oct 5 with 2757 views | GeoffSentence |
"Burley, sort it out, Burley, Burley, sort it out" |  |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 09:14 - Oct 5 with 2733 views | Herbivore |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 08:34 - Oct 5 by Johnny_Boy |
The Scotland situation was a complicated mess. When your experienced players practically refuse to play for the squad - after being punished for disciplinary reasons. He got no backing from the Old Firm managers. He was effectively on a hiding to nothing.
But....he was trying to bring the youngsters into the first team squad.
Maybe it was done too quickly. But, he was credited for doing that. |
That doesn't excuse his record imo. Look, Burley not doing well with Scotland or Palace doesn't mean he wasn't a Town legend. Terry Butcher is an awful manager but is a Town legend too. I think people are rewriting history with rose tinted glasses to try and justify their desire to see someone back at the helm who hasn't managed in 7 years following a few years of failure at the end of their career. It's a terrible idea, you don't appoint a manager based on nostalgia and sentiment.
I look forward to my down arrow from Libby who seems to be sulking. | |
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| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 09:36 - Oct 5 with 2693 views | flimflam |
| Wilf Zaha, Nathanial Clyne, Adam Lallana, Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, Kieron Dyer on 21:53 - Oct 4 by sparks |
And he only got til Christmas.
Ridiculous to call it a failure in any meaningful sense. |
So if we sack Hurst after the International Break you would say he done well and was not a failure here then? |  |
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