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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum 20:47 - Jan 19 with 3821 viewsElderGrizzly

Go on Vince!

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:43 - Jan 20 with 576 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:37 - Jan 20 by pointofblue

As much as I wouldn’t want the vote to go that way, if you’re handing the Brexit conundrum back to the public then No Deal has to be an option on the vote. One argument behind a second referendum is those who voted for Brexit didn’t know what they were voting for - what if they want to leave but don’t agree with the Prime Minister’s deal, or have confidence that No Deal will not be as bad as some are saying?


I think you are right and I suspect that might be what we end up with as the options.

However, the people in power recognise how disastrous no deal would be and are, generally, fairly determined to remove it as an option.

If we were to go back with that set of options as a two-part question, I suspect we would probably end up leaving on May's deal. Time will tell.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:43 - Jan 20 with 575 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:41 - Jan 20 by wkj

Mate, Crazy couldn't stop firing out the reds, he was waving thse thing round like a glowstick.


I'm too scared to go in there in case I get sent off and i'm suspended for a key game.
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:44 - Jan 20 with 566 viewsSpruceMoose

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:43 - Jan 20 by Championship

I'm too scared to go in there in case I get sent off and i'm suspended for a key game.


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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:45 - Jan 20 with 555 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:44 - Jan 20 by SpruceMoose

Are you one of the good guys? I think so... But you could be in disguise


Good guys?
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:46 - Jan 20 with 546 viewsSpruceMoose

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:45 - Jan 20 by Championship

Good guys?


Yeah! One of the decent ones, fighting the good fight on here! Like me! And sometimes wkj. He's a bit more Loki to my Thor.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:47 - Jan 20 with 538 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:46 - Jan 20 by SpruceMoose

Yeah! One of the decent ones, fighting the good fight on here! Like me! And sometimes wkj. He's a bit more Loki to my Thor.


I'm completely lost. In disguise?
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:49 - Jan 20 with 532 viewsSpruceMoose

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:47 - Jan 20 by Championship

I'm completely lost. In disguise?


Nevermind!

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:53 - Jan 20 with 515 viewspointofblue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:43 - Jan 20 by Nthsuffolkblue

I think you are right and I suspect that might be what we end up with as the options.

However, the people in power recognise how disastrous no deal would be and are, generally, fairly determined to remove it as an option.

If we were to go back with that set of options as a two-part question, I suspect we would probably end up leaving on May's deal. Time will tell.


I think removing No Deal as an option would be a disaster for democracy in this country if we did have a referendum. Having Remain on the ballot would be deemed controversial enough considering the result of the 2016 referendum though I think it should be on there as an option. But to have the majority narrowly vote for Brexit then remove one of the Brexit options would be seen by many as a betrayal.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:54 - Jan 20 with 508 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:49 - Jan 20 by SpruceMoose

Nevermind!


Help me out here wkj
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:56 - Jan 20 with 504 viewswkj

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:54 - Jan 20 by Championship

Help me out here wkj


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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:57 - Jan 20 with 500 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:56 - Jan 20 by wkj

I cant, government shutdown, The Department of Spruce Affairs is not currently in commission


Balls.
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 10:48 - Jan 20 with 363 viewsBlueBadger

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 23:22 - Jan 19 by Lord_Lucan

I actually think "Leave" would win by a higher margin in a 2nd referendum.


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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:04 - Jan 20 with 347 viewsHerbivore

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 00:37 - Jan 20 by pointofblue

As much as I wouldn’t want the vote to go that way, if you’re handing the Brexit conundrum back to the public then No Deal has to be an option on the vote. One argument behind a second referendum is those who voted for Brexit didn’t know what they were voting for - what if they want to leave but don’t agree with the Prime Minister’s deal, or have confidence that No Deal will not be as bad as some are saying?


Having no deal on there would be a dereliction of duty given how it would impact on business, the economy and the border issue in Northern Ireland. It needs to be a straight deal or remain.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:09 - Jan 20 with 341 viewspointofblue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:04 - Jan 20 by Herbivore

Having no deal on there would be a dereliction of duty given how it would impact on business, the economy and the border issue in Northern Ireland. It needs to be a straight deal or remain.


The can of worms has been opened and there’s no going back - taking No Deal off the table and leaving Remain as an option would lead to protests which would make the Yellow Vests in France look like small fry. It’s probably why May is desperately trying to avoid a refendum; she’d be unable to take No Deal away as an option and it might win. This is part of compromise which Remainers who are calling for a referendum need to see - it may go their way but there is an awful possibility it may backfire spectacularly.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:13 - Jan 20 with 337 viewsHerbivore

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:09 - Jan 20 by pointofblue

The can of worms has been opened and there’s no going back - taking No Deal off the table and leaving Remain as an option would lead to protests which would make the Yellow Vests in France look like small fry. It’s probably why May is desperately trying to avoid a refendum; she’d be unable to take No Deal away as an option and it might win. This is part of compromise which Remainers who are calling for a referendum need to see - it may go their way but there is an awful possibility it may backfire spectacularly.


The government created this mess, they need to deal with it. Sure some people will be upset that they can't vote for a pipe dream but tough sh¡t, quite frankly. It's not a viable option and shouldn't be offered as though it is.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:16 - Jan 20 with 335 viewsLord_Lucan

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 23:43 - Jan 19 by Nthsuffolkblue

You, Grimboy and Judge Pickles have no fear of a second referendum then? Or is asking democratically for clarification that this deal is what people wanted when they voted leave "the death of democracy" or "in opposition to the most democratic act ever in history" or whatever the line is?
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I voted to remain, it's just a personal opinion that leave would win again.

Personally, if there was a second referendum I wouldn't vote - and I would never vote for anything or anyone again.

The original question was in or out, I can't see how it could be any simpler.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:28 - Jan 20 with 318 viewsDarth_Koont

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:16 - Jan 20 by Lord_Lucan

I voted to remain, it's just a personal opinion that leave would win again.

Personally, if there was a second referendum I wouldn't vote - and I would never vote for anything or anyone again.

The original question was in or out, I can't see how it could be any simpler.


You're right about the original question being a simple one. Also that it was advisory rather than a decision in law. Added to that there is no type of In or Out specified in there.

Since then we have had people telling us that it must mean this or must mean that. Even now 3 years down the road.

I've no problem with a second referendum based on the facts and the reality of the past several years. Maybe we also make this one more specific in terms of what we're voting for as well.
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:53 - Jan 20 with 294 viewsm14_blue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:16 - Jan 20 by Lord_Lucan

I voted to remain, it's just a personal opinion that leave would win again.

Personally, if there was a second referendum I wouldn't vote - and I would never vote for anything or anyone again.

The original question was in or out, I can't see how it could be any simpler.


Oh don’t be such a drama queen.

Personally I don’t want a second referendum, we should just get on with making the best of a bad job, either with a Norway option or May’s deal.

However, if there’s one thing the last 2 years have shown it’s that nothing about this is simple.
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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:02 - Jan 20 with 286 viewspointofblue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 11:13 - Jan 20 by Herbivore

The government created this mess, they need to deal with it. Sure some people will be upset that they can't vote for a pipe dream but tough sh¡t, quite frankly. It's not a viable option and shouldn't be offered as though it is.


This isn’t just the Government though; the whole political class is now involved in this. Will any of them ever be trusted again if they take No Deal off the table? At this rate we’ll have Nigel Farage as Prime Minister as, to many, he is at least willing to deliver the will of the people.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:05 - Jan 20 with 282 viewsHerbivore

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:02 - Jan 20 by pointofblue

This isn’t just the Government though; the whole political class is now involved in this. Will any of them ever be trusted again if they take No Deal off the table? At this rate we’ll have Nigel Farage as Prime Minister as, to many, he is at least willing to deliver the will of the people.


Those that want no deal and would vote for Farage are a minority. Let's not overstate it. The leave campaign lied through their teeth to win a narrow victory first time out, tryst in the political system has already been destroyed. Time to do the right thing for a change instead of pandering to populism.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:17 - Jan 20 with 262 viewsLord_Lucan

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:02 - Jan 20 by pointofblue

This isn’t just the Government though; the whole political class is now involved in this. Will any of them ever be trusted again if they take No Deal off the table? At this rate we’ll have Nigel Farage as Prime Minister as, to many, he is at least willing to deliver the will of the people.


The problem with taking no deal off the table is that you immediately take away the biggest thing that the EU is worried about. In effect you are throwing your cards in.

Some people live with the fairys.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:22 - Jan 20 with 245 viewsHerbivore

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:17 - Jan 20 by Lord_Lucan

The problem with taking no deal off the table is that you immediately take away the biggest thing that the EU is worried about. In effect you are throwing your cards in.

Some people live with the fairys.


Says the man who described the Brexit referendum as 'simple'.

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:22 - Jan 20 with 244 viewsjeera

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:17 - Jan 20 by Lord_Lucan

The problem with taking no deal off the table is that you immediately take away the biggest thing that the EU is worried about. In effect you are throwing your cards in.

Some people live with the fairys.


Recent noises from the EU council* have included an offer to look at reform and to make an open an invitation to the UK to stay in.

In that respect surely there's no better time to push for further negotiations on the premise that we could be swayed if the deal was right.


*Council/commission/parliament. I get lost with who's who. Does everything really need to be so complicated?

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:34 - Jan 20 with 223 viewspointofblue

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:05 - Jan 20 by Herbivore

Those that want no deal and would vote for Farage are a minority. Let's not overstate it. The leave campaign lied through their teeth to win a narrow victory first time out, tryst in the political system has already been destroyed. Time to do the right thing for a change instead of pandering to populism.


Then there’s no harm in having it on the ballot paper, if it’s only the minority who will vote for it anyway?

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Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:36 - Jan 20 with 218 viewsChampionship

Ministers considering a 2nd referendum on 12:05 - Jan 20 by Herbivore

Those that want no deal and would vote for Farage are a minority. Let's not overstate it. The leave campaign lied through their teeth to win a narrow victory first time out, tryst in the political system has already been destroyed. Time to do the right thing for a change instead of pandering to populism.


No deal has to be on the ballot. It has no chance of winning so why not go through the motions?
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