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.. with the complaint that politics has taken over this forum, and the subsequent fall out for the admins to deal with the upset over politics, should it be banned on here?
I think if it was a lot more supporters would engage with it and there would be a lot more actual football being discussed. Political forums exist elsewhere, what is the drive to use this as a political forum?
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned?
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
Well, tough titties, mister. The board has spoken - democracy in action ;)
[Post edited 19 Feb 2019 14:19]
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
Ok, thanks for your input but we're not doing that.
Next.
If you liked my post, please take the time to upvote it. It's very much appreciated.
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
Is Ben Gummer hiding in the 'Football Only' filter? ...you do know there's one, don't you?
The trouble with this is that nearly all events have both political causes and political solutions so therefore one could say for e.g. the current general state of football is entirely connected to Thatcherite deregulation and the current specific state of ITFC is entirely connected to the fact Marcus is a Lib Dem donor. It's a pickle that's for sure.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 22:36 Well you can, but it's not exclusive to them as proven by this mob - as soon as genuine marxist leads the Labour Party, set up to defend the workers of this country from unrestricted capitalism they defect under the guise of racism but in reality it's Corbyn's opposition to the EU keeping the wealthy on top of the working class and the political class in place, funded by unrestricted capitalism which is buying the law makers in Europe, in control which is why they have formed their Tory-lite group, of Fib-Dems, whatever you like.
This isn't new politics, it's existing right wing capitalistic "free market" post Thatcherism at it's most opportunistic.
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 20:21 New politics from people who have served a mainstream party a collective 100 years before leaving the party because it was no longer mainstream and middle of the road enough for them. They may as well just go the whole hog and join the Tories who lost any semblance of their identity and purpose under Heath in the 70's and became a party soly of the selfish, home owner, greedy middle classes, much like New Labour. Greed is indeed God to those people.
There's no more racism or anti-semitism in Labour then there is any other party, it's just that it's actually been reported in the Labour Party. Also, being pro-Palestine by definition doesn't make you an anti-semite, the same way that being pro peace in Ireland doesn't make you a member of the IRA.
So called Political moderates will spin any old nonsense to protect their pay thats for sure.
He's having to find money to pay for the wall, despite saying Mexico would pay for the wall.
He's now finding out he can't just build a wall.
America.
These climate strikes today by LeagueOne15 Feb 2019 15:07 I remember about 25 years ago they said East Anglia would become a desert and wouldn't be able to sustain the greenery it does now due to the increasing heat, about 10-12 years ago this was revised to say we would be flooded and Norwich would end up under the sea.
Sometimes you have to break some eggs...
I am all for reducing emissions and making the world greener, ultimately if there were fewer people everywhere there would be fewer problems too, but nobody seems to really want to address that, but its an obvious problem as we're now living longer and the more of us there are, the more resource we need to sustain life and thus a bigger drain we are on the planet. I'd like to see cars be done away with and a better public transport system put in place too, but hey ho.
This bloke is a Tory councillor by LeagueOne13 Feb 2019 12:52 "He is an excellent polemicist and demagogue. I also think that in a post-Brexit world we will see the slow death of consensus politics." - sorry, but you come off VERY pro
I will post a retraction if you say that your not a supporter of his, and you think his racist language is disgraceful.
Brexit, the moral case for a second referendum by LeagueOne12 Feb 2019 12:42 If you read the EU's direction none of this is stuff they haven't already stated as fact, not Leave propaganda so I would suggest your first flaw is not understanding what you are arguing for.
All member states will join the Euro
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/891253/European-Union-Member-States-Eurozone-European-Commission-Euro-Vladis-Dombrovskis
The European Army is being called for by both France and Germany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html
The European Union has open borders between all member states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
the EU announced that they would adopt the UN's proposals to criminalise anti-open border and anti-immigration statements as law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTxZ7Xfbvo
If you do not support these things, i'd suggest you stop arguing for remain?
As I said, why don't you stop posting on a football forum and actually go out there and campaign for the European Union? The reason Farage for example, won, is because he made it his mission to win, he didn't sit there day and night complaining on the internet, he got off his arse, whether you're like him or not, and pressured the Government into doing what he wanted and then won.
If you think Brexit is divisive then you try and force Northern Ireland into the Republic with or without a referendum and people will get killed, whoever wins, the other side will kick up and start killing again, it's not a game or an opportunity for trolls like you to try and score points with, it's literally peoples lives at stake. Neither us, or the Irish want this, even if the politicians in SF and you do.
Equally if England was independent of the Celtic nations, you'd be utterly miserable as it would be the most right wing nation in the world based on how the majority of the English vote and feel. The same England that over the last 10 years has seen people solidly vote BNP, UKIP and Tory, voted Leave and even seen movements such as the EDL and National Action crop out of.
The right wing of this country, the Conservative Party, both joined the EU and continue to support it because their business interests take advantage of that large labour market and the controls they have over tariffs, the more countries in the trading block, the easier trade becomes and the wealth for the top improves. They are not concerned with the person at the the bottom so much as continuing to maintain the top.
Marxism in essence is the abolition of private property, and returning the resources from private enterprise aka business to the people. Arguably under a truly Marxist opened border system you'd see less people need to take advantage of open borders because there wouldn't be business driving the need for that employment, or additional skills and assuming that the entire world was Marxist then someone living in Africa would have the same level of wealth as someone living in England anyway, so aside from wanting to live in a crowded, often rainy, dump of an English big Town or city, what's the incentive for them to arrive?
Again I am not for total Marxism, I just feel people have become totally confused as to what is right and left wing these days.
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:24 - Feb 19 by GavTWTD
Ok, thanks for your input but we're not doing that.
Next.
Savage.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 22:36 Well you can, but it's not exclusive to them as proven by this mob - as soon as genuine marxist leads the Labour Party, set up to defend the workers of this country from unrestricted capitalism they defect under the guise of racism but in reality it's Corbyn's opposition to the EU keeping the wealthy on top of the working class and the political class in place, funded by unrestricted capitalism which is buying the law makers in Europe, in control which is why they have formed their Tory-lite group, of Fib-Dems, whatever you like.
This isn't new politics, it's existing right wing capitalistic "free market" post Thatcherism at it's most opportunistic.
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 20:21 New politics from people who have served a mainstream party a collective 100 years before leaving the party because it was no longer mainstream and middle of the road enough for them. They may as well just go the whole hog and join the Tories who lost any semblance of their identity and purpose under Heath in the 70's and became a party soly of the selfish, home owner, greedy middle classes, much like New Labour. Greed is indeed God to those people.
There's no more racism or anti-semitism in Labour then there is any other party, it's just that it's actually been reported in the Labour Party. Also, being pro-Palestine by definition doesn't make you an anti-semite, the same way that being pro peace in Ireland doesn't make you a member of the IRA.
So called Political moderates will spin any old nonsense to protect their pay thats for sure.
He's having to find money to pay for the wall, despite saying Mexico would pay for the wall.
He's now finding out he can't just build a wall.
America.
These climate strikes today by LeagueOne15 Feb 2019 15:07 I remember about 25 years ago they said East Anglia would become a desert and wouldn't be able to sustain the greenery it does now due to the increasing heat, about 10-12 years ago this was revised to say we would be flooded and Norwich would end up under the sea.
Sometimes you have to break some eggs...
I am all for reducing emissions and making the world greener, ultimately if there were fewer people everywhere there would be fewer problems too, but nobody seems to really want to address that, but its an obvious problem as we're now living longer and the more of us there are, the more resource we need to sustain life and thus a bigger drain we are on the planet. I'd like to see cars be done away with and a better public transport system put in place too, but hey ho.
This bloke is a Tory councillor by LeagueOne13 Feb 2019 12:52 "He is an excellent polemicist and demagogue. I also think that in a post-Brexit world we will see the slow death of consensus politics." - sorry, but you come off VERY pro
I will post a retraction if you say that your not a supporter of his, and you think his racist language is disgraceful.
Brexit, the moral case for a second referendum by LeagueOne12 Feb 2019 12:42 If you read the EU's direction none of this is stuff they haven't already stated as fact, not Leave propaganda so I would suggest your first flaw is not understanding what you are arguing for.
All member states will join the Euro
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/891253/European-Union-Member-States-Eurozone-European-Commission-Euro-Vladis-Dombrovskis
The European Army is being called for by both France and Germany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html
The European Union has open borders between all member states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
the EU announced that they would adopt the UN's proposals to criminalise anti-open border and anti-immigration statements as law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTxZ7Xfbvo
If you do not support these things, i'd suggest you stop arguing for remain?
As I said, why don't you stop posting on a football forum and actually go out there and campaign for the European Union? The reason Farage for example, won, is because he made it his mission to win, he didn't sit there day and night complaining on the internet, he got off his arse, whether you're like him or not, and pressured the Government into doing what he wanted and then won.
If you think Brexit is divisive then you try and force Northern Ireland into the Republic with or without a referendum and people will get killed, whoever wins, the other side will kick up and start killing again, it's not a game or an opportunity for trolls like you to try and score points with, it's literally peoples lives at stake. Neither us, or the Irish want this, even if the politicians in SF and you do.
Equally if England was independent of the Celtic nations, you'd be utterly miserable as it would be the most right wing nation in the world based on how the majority of the English vote and feel. The same England that over the last 10 years has seen people solidly vote BNP, UKIP and Tory, voted Leave and even seen movements such as the EDL and National Action crop out of.
The right wing of this country, the Conservative Party, both joined the EU and continue to support it because their business interests take advantage of that large labour market and the controls they have over tariffs, the more countries in the trading block, the easier trade becomes and the wealth for the top improves. They are not concerned with the person at the the bottom so much as continuing to maintain the top.
Marxism in essence is the abolition of private property, and returning the resources from private enterprise aka business to the people. Arguably under a truly Marxist opened border system you'd see less people need to take advantage of open borders because there wouldn't be business driving the need for that employment, or additional skills and assuming that the entire world was Marxist then someone living in Africa would have the same level of wealth as someone living in England anyway, so aside from wanting to live in a crowded, often rainy, dump of an English big Town or city, what's the incentive for them to arrive?
Again I am not for total Marxism, I just feel people have become totally confused as to what is right and left wing these days.
etc etc
I know I'm on your naughty step, GB, but bravo- savage!
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 22:36 Well you can, but it's not exclusive to them as proven by this mob - as soon as genuine marxist leads the Labour Party, set up to defend the workers of this country from unrestricted capitalism they defect under the guise of racism but in reality it's Corbyn's opposition to the EU keeping the wealthy on top of the working class and the political class in place, funded by unrestricted capitalism which is buying the law makers in Europe, in control which is why they have formed their Tory-lite group, of Fib-Dems, whatever you like.
This isn't new politics, it's existing right wing capitalistic "free market" post Thatcherism at it's most opportunistic.
'New Politics' from The Independent Group by LeagueOne18 Feb 2019 20:21 New politics from people who have served a mainstream party a collective 100 years before leaving the party because it was no longer mainstream and middle of the road enough for them. They may as well just go the whole hog and join the Tories who lost any semblance of their identity and purpose under Heath in the 70's and became a party soly of the selfish, home owner, greedy middle classes, much like New Labour. Greed is indeed God to those people.
There's no more racism or anti-semitism in Labour then there is any other party, it's just that it's actually been reported in the Labour Party. Also, being pro-Palestine by definition doesn't make you an anti-semite, the same way that being pro peace in Ireland doesn't make you a member of the IRA.
So called Political moderates will spin any old nonsense to protect their pay thats for sure.
He's having to find money to pay for the wall, despite saying Mexico would pay for the wall.
He's now finding out he can't just build a wall.
America.
These climate strikes today by LeagueOne15 Feb 2019 15:07 I remember about 25 years ago they said East Anglia would become a desert and wouldn't be able to sustain the greenery it does now due to the increasing heat, about 10-12 years ago this was revised to say we would be flooded and Norwich would end up under the sea.
Sometimes you have to break some eggs...
I am all for reducing emissions and making the world greener, ultimately if there were fewer people everywhere there would be fewer problems too, but nobody seems to really want to address that, but its an obvious problem as we're now living longer and the more of us there are, the more resource we need to sustain life and thus a bigger drain we are on the planet. I'd like to see cars be done away with and a better public transport system put in place too, but hey ho.
This bloke is a Tory councillor by LeagueOne13 Feb 2019 12:52 "He is an excellent polemicist and demagogue. I also think that in a post-Brexit world we will see the slow death of consensus politics." - sorry, but you come off VERY pro
I will post a retraction if you say that your not a supporter of his, and you think his racist language is disgraceful.
Brexit, the moral case for a second referendum by LeagueOne12 Feb 2019 12:42 If you read the EU's direction none of this is stuff they haven't already stated as fact, not Leave propaganda so I would suggest your first flaw is not understanding what you are arguing for.
All member states will join the Euro
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/891253/European-Union-Member-States-Eurozone-European-Commission-Euro-Vladis-Dombrovskis
The European Army is being called for by both France and Germany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html
The European Union has open borders between all member states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
the EU announced that they would adopt the UN's proposals to criminalise anti-open border and anti-immigration statements as law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTxZ7Xfbvo
If you do not support these things, i'd suggest you stop arguing for remain?
As I said, why don't you stop posting on a football forum and actually go out there and campaign for the European Union? The reason Farage for example, won, is because he made it his mission to win, he didn't sit there day and night complaining on the internet, he got off his arse, whether you're like him or not, and pressured the Government into doing what he wanted and then won.
If you think Brexit is divisive then you try and force Northern Ireland into the Republic with or without a referendum and people will get killed, whoever wins, the other side will kick up and start killing again, it's not a game or an opportunity for trolls like you to try and score points with, it's literally peoples lives at stake. Neither us, or the Irish want this, even if the politicians in SF and you do.
Equally if England was independent of the Celtic nations, you'd be utterly miserable as it would be the most right wing nation in the world based on how the majority of the English vote and feel. The same England that over the last 10 years has seen people solidly vote BNP, UKIP and Tory, voted Leave and even seen movements such as the EDL and National Action crop out of.
The right wing of this country, the Conservative Party, both joined the EU and continue to support it because their business interests take advantage of that large labour market and the controls they have over tariffs, the more countries in the trading block, the easier trade becomes and the wealth for the top improves. They are not concerned with the person at the the bottom so much as continuing to maintain the top.
Marxism in essence is the abolition of private property, and returning the resources from private enterprise aka business to the people. Arguably under a truly Marxist opened border system you'd see less people need to take advantage of open borders because there wouldn't be business driving the need for that employment, or additional skills and assuming that the entire world was Marxist then someone living in Africa would have the same level of wealth as someone living in England anyway, so aside from wanting to live in a crowded, often rainy, dump of an English big Town or city, what's the incentive for them to arrive?
Again I am not for total Marxism, I just feel people have become totally confused as to what is right and left wing these days.
etc etc
And it's an elbow from the top rope there from GlasgowBlue.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:24 - Feb 19 by GavTWTD
Ok, thanks for your input but we're not doing that.
Next.
Gav, have you got statistics showing the breakdown of advertising revenue from the different parts of your site?
I guess what I'm asking is: Is there a limit to the annoyance generated by politics threads which would cause you to pull the plug on them despite the losses?
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
I say ban people who call themselves LeagueOne before the season has even started.
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:35 - Feb 19 by caught-in-limbo
Gav, have you got statistics showing the breakdown of advertising revenue from the different parts of your site?
I guess what I'm asking is: Is there a limit to the annoyance generated by politics threads which would cause you to pull the plug on them despite the losses?
I know the page counts of different sections of the site (eg news or forum) but we don't know what constitutes a politics thread so couldn't differentiate between a Pablo thread or a Corbyn one.
If you liked my post, please take the time to upvote it. It's very much appreciated.
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:35 - Feb 19 by caught-in-limbo
Gav, have you got statistics showing the breakdown of advertising revenue from the different parts of your site?
I guess what I'm asking is: Is there a limit to the annoyance generated by politics threads which would cause you to pull the plug on them despite the losses?
I for one am deeply surprised you seem to be pro-OPs point.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
You haven't actually read the posts in the thread then?
As Championship (I think it was) said earlier, your poll with its questions was exceptionally poorly worded. Rather reminds me of 2016 now I come to think of it ...
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:42 - Feb 19 by GavTWTD
I know the page counts of different sections of the site (eg news or forum) but we don't know what constitutes a politics thread so couldn't differentiate between a Pablo thread or a Corbyn one.
Pablo definitely a Corbyn man. Look at the way he unselfishly held the ball up and brought others into play, pure redistributive politicking in action.
[Post edited 19 Feb 2019 14:48]
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:18 - Feb 19 by LeagueOne
At the moment we're keeping political threads for the sake of just 6 people - I'd say bin the politics and if people want that they should go elsewhere and let the forum focus on football again.
I also don't like the idea that one of you is Ben Gummer hiding here. ;)
35-7 based on a vote of 42 people.
Do you think the site might have more than 42 posters? Do you need a calculator bud?
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Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 15:04 - Feb 19 with 1669 views
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 14:42 - Feb 19 by chicoazul
I for one am deeply surprised you seem to be pro-OPs point.
You shouldn't be.
The clues are in posting history facts not in poster misrepresentation.
You should look at threads certain posters start, and then decide if they push a political view of their own or are designed for others to take the bait and post the same sort of views.
I've started 10 threads in the last 12 months. 3 of them were ITFC related. The other 7 are not connected in any way and only one of which could be classed partisan UK politics.
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 15:04 - Feb 19 by caught-in-limbo
You shouldn't be.
The clues are in posting history facts not in poster misrepresentation.
You should look at threads certain posters start, and then decide if they push a political view of their own or are designed for others to take the bait and post the same sort of views.
I've started 10 threads in the last 12 months. 3 of them were ITFC related. The other 7 are not connected in any way and only one of which could be classed partisan UK politics.
Does that include the threads started by HurleyBurley?
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 15:04 - Feb 19 by caught-in-limbo
You shouldn't be.
The clues are in posting history facts not in poster misrepresentation.
You should look at threads certain posters start, and then decide if they push a political view of their own or are designed for others to take the bait and post the same sort of views.
I've started 10 threads in the last 12 months. 3 of them were ITFC related. The other 7 are not connected in any way and only one of which could be classed partisan UK politics.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Would you leave TWTD if political threads were banned? on 15:04 - Feb 19 by caught-in-limbo
You shouldn't be.
The clues are in posting history facts not in poster misrepresentation.
You should look at threads certain posters start, and then decide if they push a political view of their own or are designed for others to take the bait and post the same sort of views.
I've started 10 threads in the last 12 months. 3 of them were ITFC related. The other 7 are not connected in any way and only one of which could be classed partisan UK politics.
I don't know. Has he posted in the last 12 months? If so, what were the posts about?
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