| JRM has been mugged right off here. 02:24 - Sep 3 with 23283 views | SpruceMoose |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/jacob-rees-mogg-doctor-shameful
I'm glad all the lies, deceit and arrogance is being recorded so that when they are older his kids can read all about what vermin their father was.
Also, I'll trust the highly qualified doctor on this over some nanny raised toff who blew a fancy education to only achieve in a 2:1 in History. [Post edited 3 Sep 2019 3:03]
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:32 - Sep 4 with 2060 views | lowhouseblue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:29 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
JRM is a semi competent orator who people think performs better than he does because he throws in a but of Latin and is terribly polite.
His parliamentary career should have been that of a colourful backbencher in the tradition of colourful backbencher we have had over the years. He should be nowhere near the levers of power. |
well quite. i'm not convinced that this is the most right wing cabinet in history, but it is certainly the one with the least ability or talent. |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:34 - Sep 4 with 2053 views | Darth_Koont |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:28 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
i don't doubt he is an expert on the drugs used in his field, their shelf life, storage conditions, timing from prescription to use etc. all those are things a medic would need to advise on. unless he has other unmentioned skills, I don't see how he could be called onto predict delivery delays or consequent shortages. |
But a politician can!?? The medical professional is closer to the real issue and their profession is much more dependent on integrity and facts. |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:37 - Sep 4 with 2038 views | lowhouseblue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:34 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
But a politician can!?? The medical professional is closer to the real issue and their profession is much more dependent on integrity and facts. |
civil service plus the advisors they employ on transport logistics etc. they don't generally ask the transport experts about medicine or the medics about transport logistics. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:39 - Sep 4 with 2026 views | Herbivore |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:37 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
civil service plus the advisors they employ on transport logistics etc. they don't generally ask the transport experts about medicine or the medics about transport logistics. |
But by putting the two together they are able to then know what the overall impact will be. What the doctor is saying isn't out of line with what is in the leaked Yellowhammer or what MPs have said (or refused to say in some instances). I'm not sure why you think his claims are so outrageous. |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:41 - Sep 4 with 2021 views | Darth_Koont |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:37 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
civil service plus the advisors they employ on transport logistics etc. they don't generally ask the transport experts about medicine or the medics about transport logistics. |
Obviously. But storage, for example, is part of logistics and would involve a knowledge of delivery issues.
He could of course be wrong or lying. But it's a strange, reverse Occam's razor where you believe the politician knows what he or she is talking about when challenged by an actual insider. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:42 - Sep 4 with 2017 views | BackToRussia |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:39 - Sep 4 by Herbivore |
But by putting the two together they are able to then know what the overall impact will be. What the doctor is saying isn't out of line with what is in the leaked Yellowhammer or what MPs have said (or refused to say in some instances). I'm not sure why you think his claims are so outrageous. |
Are they even his claims? As I understood it he is just repeating what's in the report. |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:54 - Sep 4 with 1987 views | GlasgowBlue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:32 - Sep 4 by DanTheMan |
I don't think he's that polite, really.
He literally just speaks how I imagine an American thinks posh English people speak. That's it. |
It was SNP firebrand Mhairi Black who said “I could sit and listen to him all day, I disagree with him 99.9% of the time, and that wee per cent is just because he’s got good manners,” she said.
“But I love listening to him, his knowledge is incredible, and he’s so polite.” |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:55 - Sep 4 with 1991 views | footers |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:42 - Sep 4 by BackToRussia |
Are they even his claims? As I understood it he is just repeating what's in the report. |
Exactly. It may not be his area of expertise, but not only has he read the report but was involved in writing it. Of course there's nothing to worry about in reality, though, so just chill out, everyone.
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:58 - Sep 4 with 1972 views | BackToRussia |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:54 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It was SNP firebrand Mhairi Black who said “I could sit and listen to him all day, I disagree with him 99.9% of the time, and that wee per cent is just because he’s got good manners,” she said.
“But I love listening to him, his knowledge is incredible, and he’s so polite.” |
Yes, laying down in the HoC with a smug expression on your face while you're supposed to be alert and debating the future of the country is super polite. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:59 - Sep 4 with 1967 views | BackToRussia |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:55 - Sep 4 by footers |
Exactly. It may not be his area of expertise, but not only has he read the report but was involved in writing it. Of course there's nothing to worry about in reality, though, so just chill out, everyone.
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But why would a doctor be able to read and then have the ability to convey that information accurately to other people??? | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:00 - Sep 4 with 1960 views | footers |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:58 - Sep 4 by BackToRussia |
Yes, laying down in the HoC with a smug expression on your face while you're supposed to be alert and debating the future of the country is super polite. |
Probably praying. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:01 - Sep 4 with 1953 views | BackToRussia |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:00 - Sep 4 by footers |
Probably praying. |
Looks like he had a toke of opium or whatever ol' timey Victorian drug is his choice. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:17 - Sep 4 with 1932 views | Swansea_Blue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 07:23 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
here you go then. something else from the same doctor that you can scream and wail about and predict the end of the world:
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/government-stockpiling-body-bags-sa
body bags!!! oh my god, the tories are literally planning mass murder and the genocide of the ill. they're preparing to commit a literal war crime. come on then, you can really work your self up to state of frenzy with this one. fill your boots. no need to thank me. |
Well they are. It was the same in the run up to the last No Deal threat at the start of the year, and confirmed by the Government themselves. It's simply a fact.
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:21 - Sep 4 with 1920 views | Herbivore |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:17 - Sep 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Well they are. It was the same in the run up to the last No Deal threat at the start of the year, and confirmed by the Government themselves. It's simply a fact.
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Exactly. The only hysteria is the way lowie has spun a totally non-controversial news story. Nobody is calling the Tories murderers but the stockpiling of body bags in case of a no deal suggests that forecasts predict the possibility of increased mortality rates. The Health Secretary has refused to rule that out. It's interesting that lowie is targeting this doctor as an hysterical Remainer but isn't making any claims of hysteria towards Stephen Hammond or Matt Hancock who are essentially conveying exactly the same message. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:24 - Sep 4 with 1911 views | SpruceMoose |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:21 - Sep 4 by Herbivore |
Exactly. The only hysteria is the way lowie has spun a totally non-controversial news story. Nobody is calling the Tories murderers but the stockpiling of body bags in case of a no deal suggests that forecasts predict the possibility of increased mortality rates. The Health Secretary has refused to rule that out. It's interesting that lowie is targeting this doctor as an hysterical Remainer but isn't making any claims of hysteria towards Stephen Hammond or Matt Hancock who are essentially conveying exactly the same message. |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 12:18 - Sep 4 with 1880 views | Ryorry |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:54 - Sep 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It was SNP firebrand Mhairi Black who said “I could sit and listen to him all day, I disagree with him 99.9% of the time, and that wee per cent is just because he’s got good manners,” she said.
“But I love listening to him, his knowledge is incredible, and he’s so polite.” |
Unfortunately that makes Mhairi Black gullible and lacking in any perspicacity, in my view. |  |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 12:22 - Sep 4 with 1876 views | Ryorry |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 10:37 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
civil service plus the advisors they employ on transport logistics etc. they don't generally ask the transport experts about medicine or the medics about transport logistics. |
Time to give it up Lowie - I've supported you on many threads in the past, but your view here just doesn't hold water - I really can't understand what's making you stick on this? | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 12:33 - Sep 4 with 1856 views | lowhouseblue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 11:21 - Sep 4 by Herbivore |
Exactly. The only hysteria is the way lowie has spun a totally non-controversial news story. Nobody is calling the Tories murderers but the stockpiling of body bags in case of a no deal suggests that forecasts predict the possibility of increased mortality rates. The Health Secretary has refused to rule that out. It's interesting that lowie is targeting this doctor as an hysterical Remainer but isn't making any claims of hysteria towards Stephen Hammond or Matt Hancock who are essentially conveying exactly the same message. |
the letter linked says 'precautionary stockpiling', it doesn't say stockpiling because of increased mortality rates. stockpiling in case deliveries are late is quite different from needing more stuff because more people are going to die.
this is hysteria and is pretty silly. people have become so entrenched on either side that they're losing any sense of proportion. no deal would definitely be a bad thing but let's try to stay grown up about it. jeez. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 13:15 - Sep 4 with 1814 views | Herbivore |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 12:33 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
the letter linked says 'precautionary stockpiling', it doesn't say stockpiling because of increased mortality rates. stockpiling in case deliveries are late is quite different from needing more stuff because more people are going to die.
this is hysteria and is pretty silly. people have become so entrenched on either side that they're losing any sense of proportion. no deal would definitely be a bad thing but let's try to stay grown up about it. jeez. |
Do you think Matt Hancock was being hysterical when he refused to rule out that no deal Brexit could lead to people dying? | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 13:27 - Sep 4 with 1791 views | lowhouseblue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 13:15 - Sep 4 by Herbivore |
Do you think Matt Hancock was being hysterical when he refused to rule out that no deal Brexit could lead to people dying? |
a government minister can't ever categorically say that something is risk free. he has to take it extremely seriously and put in place measures to minimise any remaining risk. that's quite different from people saying the mortality rate is going to rise. we've had all sorts of disruption to freight in the past - petrol strikes, french blockades, volcanoes, tunnel fires etc - with traffic backed up for days - no one ever claimed that people had died as a result. let's talk about why no deal is bad like adults and stop the silly scaremongering eh. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 14:06 - Sep 4 with 1746 views | Herbivore |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 13:27 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
a government minister can't ever categorically say that something is risk free. he has to take it extremely seriously and put in place measures to minimise any remaining risk. that's quite different from people saying the mortality rate is going to rise. we've had all sorts of disruption to freight in the past - petrol strikes, french blockades, volcanoes, tunnel fires etc - with traffic backed up for days - no one ever claimed that people had died as a result. let's talk about why no deal is bad like adults and stop the silly scaremongering eh. |
Okay. I think I'm out at this point as we're not likely to reach a point of agreement. | |
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| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 14:36 - Sep 4 with 1713 views | Swansea_Blue |
| JRM has been mugged right off here. on 12:33 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
the letter linked says 'precautionary stockpiling', it doesn't say stockpiling because of increased mortality rates. stockpiling in case deliveries are late is quite different from needing more stuff because more people are going to die.
this is hysteria and is pretty silly. people have become so entrenched on either side that they're losing any sense of proportion. no deal would definitely be a bad thing but let's try to stay grown up about it. jeez. |
The comment about the body bags is true - it's stockpiling. But there are also warnings about difficulties of supply of medicines. We've had warnings about common medicines that need to be stockpiled, cancer treatments that have very limited shelf life (radioactive materials with half life measured in hour/a day), and last week a warning about potential problems with access to flu vaccines for the vulnerable. The end result if any of these warnings are true and medicines fail to reach those who needs them, is likely to be an increase in deaths. The medical profession thinks there is a very real threat around lack of access to life saving treatments. That's not sensationalist, just based on the simple fact we use medicines to help prevent deaths.
That's not to say some people aren't jumping up and down about it. I can imagine the tabloids are all over it like a rash, but if they are ignore the headlines and focus on the issue and you'll see it's real. Ignore people on twitter/facebook too. Just listen to what the medical profession is saying. | |
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