| Please deny this... 08:44 - Dec 8 with 5838 views | hampstead_blue |
Sunday Times page 1, 6, 7.
I know it's the Sunday Times but are all of these cases and statements lies?
Emporers new clothes.
Edit. Documents were leaked from within Labour and go back to 2018, [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 8:46]
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Please deny this... on 09:07 - Dec 8 with 2722 views | J2BLUE |
I thought of you as I put my cross in the Labour box |  |
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| Please deny this... on 09:17 - Dec 8 with 2690 views | jimmyvet |
| Please deny this... on 09:07 - Dec 8 by J2BLUE |
I thought of you as I put my cross in the Labour box |
Really so you have actually voted for an Institutionally racist party. |  | | |
| Please deny this... on 09:19 - Dec 8 with 2682 views | Herbivore |
| Please deny this... on 09:17 - Dec 8 by jimmyvet |
Really so you have actually voted for an Institutionally racist party. |
He voted Labour, not Conservative. |  |
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| Please deny this... on 09:27 - Dec 8 with 2649 views | J2BLUE |
| Please deny this... on 09:17 - Dec 8 by jimmyvet |
Really so you have actually voted for an Institutionally racist party. |
Did you manage to keep a straight face when you asked that? | |
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| Please deny this... on 09:32 - Dec 8 with 2624 views | noggin |
| Please deny this... on 09:17 - Dec 8 by jimmyvet |
Really so you have actually voted for an Institutionally racist party. |
Dit you forget the link to evidence? |  |
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| Please deny this... on 09:51 - Dec 8 with 2571 views | hampstead_blue |
| Please deny this... on 09:32 - Dec 8 by noggin |
Dit you forget the link to evidence? |
Let's ask the Labour members who leaked it all shall we. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Please deny this... on 09:55 - Dec 8 with 2559 views | StokieBlue |
| Please deny this... on 09:51 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
Let's ask the Labour members who leaked it all shall we. |
He means not everyone buys the Times or has an subscription. You've posted more ranting but not given people the evidence on which they can base their retort.
I'm not sure your constant posting of anti-Labour diatribes has really helped sway minds, especially given the emotiveness and combativeness of the posts.
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| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 with 2529 views | hampstead_blue |
| Please deny this... on 09:55 - Dec 8 by StokieBlue |
He means not everyone buys the Times or has an subscription. You've posted more ranting but not given people the evidence on which they can base their retort.
I'm not sure your constant posting of anti-Labour diatribes has really helped sway minds, especially given the emotiveness and combativeness of the posts.
SB |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Please deny this... on 10:02 - Dec 8 with 2522 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving |
Not wanting to be rude, but what on earth are you blabbering on about? Are you ok? |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:06 - Dec 8 with 2506 views | WeWereZombies |
| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving |
Is too much being made of how did the leak occur and not enough being made of what it signifies?
Less than five days to go before the last chance to cast your vote and still no resolution of whether there has been significant involvement by a foreign power in this and previous elections. Still no concrete denial of the NHS being broken up so that US pharmaceutical companies can increase the cost we pay for medicines more than sevenfold. And Boris Johnson is still running scared of Andrew Neil... |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:09 - Dec 8 with 2495 views | noggin |
| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving |
Why do you always make everything about your service? I served for 12 years and witnessed far more racism during that time than I ever have in civvy street. Serving does not make you some kind of national hero. | |
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| Please deny this... on 10:12 - Dec 8 with 2477 views | StokieBlue |
| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving |
"Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost."
And with that one sentence you've made yourself entirely irrelevant to the debate.
You've also misunderstood my post, you need to post the articles not say page x, y and z if you expect people to discuss them.
SB [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 10:15]
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| Please deny this... on 10:20 - Dec 8 with 2443 views | jeera |
| Please deny this... on 10:12 - Dec 8 by StokieBlue |
"Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost."
And with that one sentence you've made yourself entirely irrelevant to the debate.
You've also misunderstood my post, you need to post the articles not say page x, y and z if you expect people to discuss them.
SB [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 10:15]
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This is it.
I might even agree with him if I knew what it was he's talking about.
As it stands, we'll never know. |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:34 - Dec 8 with 2384 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Please deny this... on 09:55 - Dec 8 by StokieBlue |
He means not everyone buys the Times or has an subscription. You've posted more ranting but not given people the evidence on which they can base their retort.
I'm not sure your constant posting of anti-Labour diatribes has really helped sway minds, especially given the emotiveness and combativeness of the posts.
SB |
Doubt very much that any political post on TWTD has lead to anyone changing the way they intend to vote |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:34 - Dec 8 with 2379 views | footers |
| Please deny this... on 10:20 - Dec 8 by jeera |
This is it.
I might even agree with him if I knew what it was he's talking about.
As it stands, we'll never know. |
I'm off to the shop now so will buy a copy and type out the relevant pages for discussion. Bear with me. |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:37 - Dec 8 with 2369 views | itfcjoe |
Deny what? |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:43 - Dec 8 with 2333 views | bluejacko |
| Please deny this... on 09:07 - Dec 8 by J2BLUE |
I thought of you as I put my cross in the Labour box |
Labour? Shouldn’t that really be the ‘Momentum and union party’? | | | |
| Please deny this... on 10:45 - Dec 8 with 2322 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Please deny this... on 10:12 - Dec 8 by StokieBlue |
"Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost."
And with that one sentence you've made yourself entirely irrelevant to the debate.
You've also misunderstood my post, you need to post the articles not say page x, y and z if you expect people to discuss them.
SB [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 10:15]
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I tend to stay away from a TWTD at weekends but having read this thread I thought I’d give a quick précis of the Times story:
EXCLUSIVE: Leak of emails and audio from Labour HQ expose ongoing Corbyn “lies” on antisemitism
Man who called for “extermination” of all Jews not expelled for 10 months. Holocaust deniers let off
Party lawyers secretly warn: Corbyn reforms so badly drafted they may be illegal
Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said "Jewish gang" and "Zionist scumbags" had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry. He said no, he was telling the truth: "Zionists are psychopaths". He was let back in
One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he "licked the bum of Jews for money". She also shared posts about "Jewish agenda" to use chaos and magic to "conquer gentile world" and Israelis being behind 9/11. She was also readmitted to the party and given just a "warning"
Same for a woman who said that only "thousands" died in the Holocaust and that Jews were "rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others" . She was given a warning.
At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit 130 cases outstanding even though "vast majority" were reported 18 months ago
Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a "cancer", "bent nose manipulative liars" and called for "extermination of every Jew on the planet"
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes.
This is behind paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame
This isn’t if you clink the link on the tweet.
I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic.
Institutional racism as defined by McPherson....
“The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
This what the EHRC are investigating Labour over.
Evidence from the Jewish Labour Movement was leaked on Friday. 70 whistleblowers, Labour Party employees, have given evidence under oath to the EHRC. I doubt posters making light if this have even bothered to read the leaked testimony. Far easier to mock people highlighting the inconvenient truth. So here are a few examples from the JLM submission. Just a few.
One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)
One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)
A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)
A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)
One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)
One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)
The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses. This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)
Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)
A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)
Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism. One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)
A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism. The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)
The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)
Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)
Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)
In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team. This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)
Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)
One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)
Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions. No suspension issued. (page 32)
Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement. He was never sanctioned. (page 42)
Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)
Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken. Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 49)
Is that enough evidence? |  |
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| Please deny this... on 10:46 - Dec 8 with 2323 views | noggin |
| Please deny this... on 10:43 - Dec 8 by bluejacko |
Labour? Shouldn’t that really be the ‘Momentum and union party’? |
Or the anti-130000 austerity deaths party? | |
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| Please deny this... on 10:47 - Dec 8 with 2319 views | eireblue |
| Please deny this... on 10:01 - Dec 8 by hampstead_blue |
As the source of the posts is people within the said department and the paper hasnt named them, I'm not privy.
Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.
My combative nature in words isn't actually a reflection of me. I guess it how we write.
I've posted the article from Labour sources. I'd be disgusted if that were my leader.
One of the vile people is a veteran. Lucky he isn't serving |
“Asking for evidence everytime is an easy repost.”
Said the self acclaimed expert in Military Intelligence.
What could possibly go wrong by not asking for evidence. |  | | |
| Please deny this... on 11:06 - Dec 8 with 2254 views | StokieBlue |
| Please deny this... on 10:45 - Dec 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I tend to stay away from a TWTD at weekends but having read this thread I thought I’d give a quick précis of the Times story:
EXCLUSIVE: Leak of emails and audio from Labour HQ expose ongoing Corbyn “lies” on antisemitism
Man who called for “extermination” of all Jews not expelled for 10 months. Holocaust deniers let off
Party lawyers secretly warn: Corbyn reforms so badly drafted they may be illegal
Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said "Jewish gang" and "Zionist scumbags" had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry. He said no, he was telling the truth: "Zionists are psychopaths". He was let back in
One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he "licked the bum of Jews for money". She also shared posts about "Jewish agenda" to use chaos and magic to "conquer gentile world" and Israelis being behind 9/11. She was also readmitted to the party and given just a "warning"
Same for a woman who said that only "thousands" died in the Holocaust and that Jews were "rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others" . She was given a warning.
At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit 130 cases outstanding even though "vast majority" were reported 18 months ago
Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a "cancer", "bent nose manipulative liars" and called for "extermination of every Jew on the planet"
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes.
This is behind paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame
This isn’t if you clink the link on the tweet.
I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic.
Institutional racism as defined by McPherson....
“The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
This what the EHRC are investigating Labour over.
Evidence from the Jewish Labour Movement was leaked on Friday. 70 whistleblowers, Labour Party employees, have given evidence under oath to the EHRC. I doubt posters making light if this have even bothered to read the leaked testimony. Far easier to mock people highlighting the inconvenient truth. So here are a few examples from the JLM submission. Just a few.
One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)
One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)
A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)
A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)
One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)
One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)
The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses. This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)
Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)
A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)
Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism. One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)
A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism. The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)
The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)
Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)
Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)
In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team. This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)
Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)
One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)
Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions. No suspension issued. (page 32)
Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement. He was never sanctioned. (page 42)
Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)
Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken. Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 49)
Is that enough evidence? |
Not entirely sure why you're having a pop at me. I said if he wants people to debate his position he needs to post the supporting evidence. Hardly anyone has a subscription to the Times, what's the circulation now, a few hundred thousand? Citing page numbers and expecting a debate is not the way to go about things.
He's then said it's essentially boring to ask for evidence all the time. This is a ridiculous position and my post was spot on. You'd say exactly the same to any other poster posting that on any other subject.
"I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic."
It's a shame you feel that way but given I've not actually done what you've suggested perhaps I'll win you over at some point in the future.
SB
Edit: Seems from J2 post I may have misunderstood the target for your paragraph I've highlighted. It was due to you replying to my post directly. [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 11:11]
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| Please deny this... on 11:07 - Dec 8 with 2248 views | J2BLUE |
| Please deny this... on 10:45 - Dec 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I tend to stay away from a TWTD at weekends but having read this thread I thought I’d give a quick précis of the Times story:
EXCLUSIVE: Leak of emails and audio from Labour HQ expose ongoing Corbyn “lies” on antisemitism
Man who called for “extermination” of all Jews not expelled for 10 months. Holocaust deniers let off
Party lawyers secretly warn: Corbyn reforms so badly drafted they may be illegal
Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said "Jewish gang" and "Zionist scumbags" had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry. He said no, he was telling the truth: "Zionists are psychopaths". He was let back in
One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he "licked the bum of Jews for money". She also shared posts about "Jewish agenda" to use chaos and magic to "conquer gentile world" and Israelis being behind 9/11. She was also readmitted to the party and given just a "warning"
Same for a woman who said that only "thousands" died in the Holocaust and that Jews were "rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others" . She was given a warning.
At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit 130 cases outstanding even though "vast majority" were reported 18 months ago
Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a "cancer", "bent nose manipulative liars" and called for "extermination of every Jew on the planet"
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes.
This is behind paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame
This isn’t if you clink the link on the tweet.
I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic.
Institutional racism as defined by McPherson....
“The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
This what the EHRC are investigating Labour over.
Evidence from the Jewish Labour Movement was leaked on Friday. 70 whistleblowers, Labour Party employees, have given evidence under oath to the EHRC. I doubt posters making light if this have even bothered to read the leaked testimony. Far easier to mock people highlighting the inconvenient truth. So here are a few examples from the JLM submission. Just a few.
One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)
One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)
A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)
A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)
One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)
One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)
The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses. This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)
Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)
A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)
Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism. One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)
A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism. The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)
The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)
Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)
Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)
In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team. This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)
Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)
One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)
Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions. No suspension issued. (page 32)
Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement. He was never sanctioned. (page 42)
Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)
Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken. Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 49)
Is that enough evidence? |
I've been waiting for this GB. Took longer than I expected.
Perhaps I was unclear earlier. I certainly wasn't mocking him for calling Labour institutionally anti-Semitic. I appreciate it does look like that though. The reason I asked if he typed that with a straight face is because we all know the largest party and next PM will both be Tory or both be Labour. His post seemed to suggest there was an alternative choice where this type of thing is not an issue. We both know that is wrong. The Labour party DOES have an issue with anti-Semitism. I admitted that months ago and have mentioned it several times since saying I did eventually vote for Labour.
The Tories are Islamophobic, homophobic and have issues with the poor/single mothers/anyone who dares use the safety net of benefits etc etc. So my vote for Labour is not an endorsement of anti-Semitism, nor is it me suggesting it doesn't exist. It is merely because I decided that one flawed option was a lot less flawed than the other and to simply sit out and let the even worse option come to power was a rather silly idea.
Edit: Keyboard T key isn't working properly, fixed typos. [Post edited 8 Dec 2019 11:14]
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| Please deny this... on 11:12 - Dec 8 with 2224 views | bluejacko |
| Please deny this... on 10:45 - Dec 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I tend to stay away from a TWTD at weekends but having read this thread I thought I’d give a quick précis of the Times story:
EXCLUSIVE: Leak of emails and audio from Labour HQ expose ongoing Corbyn “lies” on antisemitism
Man who called for “extermination” of all Jews not expelled for 10 months. Holocaust deniers let off
Party lawyers secretly warn: Corbyn reforms so badly drafted they may be illegal
Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said "Jewish gang" and "Zionist scumbags" had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry. He said no, he was telling the truth: "Zionists are psychopaths". He was let back in
One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he "licked the bum of Jews for money". She also shared posts about "Jewish agenda" to use chaos and magic to "conquer gentile world" and Israelis being behind 9/11. She was also readmitted to the party and given just a "warning"
Same for a woman who said that only "thousands" died in the Holocaust and that Jews were "rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others" . She was given a warning.
At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit 130 cases outstanding even though "vast majority" were reported 18 months ago
Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a "cancer", "bent nose manipulative liars" and called for "extermination of every Jew on the planet"
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes.
This is behind paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame
This isn’t if you clink the link on the tweet.
I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic.
Institutional racism as defined by McPherson....
“The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
This what the EHRC are investigating Labour over.
Evidence from the Jewish Labour Movement was leaked on Friday. 70 whistleblowers, Labour Party employees, have given evidence under oath to the EHRC. I doubt posters making light if this have even bothered to read the leaked testimony. Far easier to mock people highlighting the inconvenient truth. So here are a few examples from the JLM submission. Just a few.
One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)
One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)
A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)
A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)
One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)
One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)
The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses. This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)
Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)
A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)
Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism. One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)
A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism. The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)
The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)
Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)
Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)
In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team. This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)
Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)
One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)
Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions. No suspension issued. (page 32)
Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement. He was never sanctioned. (page 42)
Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)
Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken. Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 49)
Is that enough evidence? |
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| Please deny this... on 11:12 - Dec 8 with 2230 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Heh GB .... does this one remind you of anything....?
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)Â |  |
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| Please deny this... on 11:21 - Dec 8 with 2188 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Please deny this... on 10:45 - Dec 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I tend to stay away from a TWTD at weekends but having read this thread I thought I’d give a quick précis of the Times story:
EXCLUSIVE: Leak of emails and audio from Labour HQ expose ongoing Corbyn “lies” on antisemitism
Man who called for “extermination” of all Jews not expelled for 10 months. Holocaust deniers let off
Party lawyers secretly warn: Corbyn reforms so badly drafted they may be illegal
Hundreds of files show members still receive lenient or no sanction for anti-semitism
One man who said "Jewish gang" and "Zionist scumbags" had seized power over party was asked if he was sorry. He said no, he was telling the truth: "Zionists are psychopaths". He was let back in
One woman shouted at a veteran councillor that he "licked the bum of Jews for money". She also shared posts about "Jewish agenda" to use chaos and magic to "conquer gentile world" and Israelis being behind 9/11. She was also readmitted to the party and given just a "warning"
Same for a woman who said that only "thousands" died in the Holocaust and that Jews were "rich, interested in finance and intent on controlling others" . She was given a warning.
At October meeting of National Constitutional Committee, officials admit 130 cases outstanding even though "vast majority" were reported 18 months ago
Labour took months or years to expel members who said Jews were a "cancer", "bent nose manipulative liars" and called for "extermination of every Jew on the planet"
Lord McDonald, ex director of public prosecutions, said some statements echoed Nazi Germany and were hate crimes.
This is behind paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame
This isn’t if you clink the link on the tweet.
I’ve just seen a poster I had respect for mock another poster for calling Labour institutionally antisemitic.
Institutional racism as defined by McPherson....
“The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
This what the EHRC are investigating Labour over.
Evidence from the Jewish Labour Movement was leaked on Friday. 70 whistleblowers, Labour Party employees, have given evidence under oath to the EHRC. I doubt posters making light if this have even bothered to read the leaked testimony. Far easier to mock people highlighting the inconvenient truth. So here are a few examples from the JLM submission. Just a few.
One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)
One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)
One Jewish Labour member alleged an article arguing Jews were overrepresented in the capitalist class was defended on official Labour Party mailing lists. (page 7)
A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)
A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)
One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)
One Jewish was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)
The membership secretary in South Tottenham CLP allegedly objected to 25 applications from the Jewish community, and required home visits to their houses. This was not a requirement for other members. (page 9)
Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)
A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)
Margaret Hodge was subject to abuse after expressing her feelings on Labour antisemitism. One example includes the phrase “your smear campaign…would make Goebbels proud.” (page 17)
A staff member was appointed despite allegedly having a history of antisemitism. The appointment was signed off personally by Katie Murphy and Jennie Formby. (page 19)
The Leader’s office allegedly interfered directly in the disciplinary process. An advisor allegedly stated that “JC [is] interested in this one, while discussing action on a specific case. (page 22)
Staff in the complaints team were allegedly told that they were not to provide updates or responses in respect of antisemitism complaints. (page 24)
Staff allege that after the 2017 GE, the Leader’s Office expected staff to disregard antisemitic incidents from a long time ago. (page 25)
In early 2019, the decision was taken that Laura Murray would head the complaints team. This means the Leader’s office could control the team directly. (page 26)
Pete Willsman and Claudia Webbe (both alleged to have a history of antisemitism, separately to this report) were said to defend alleged antisemites to the complaints team. (page 27)
One example of a person permitted to remain linked to the party despite suspension was the vice-chair of Woking Labour, who tweeted that Hitler was the “Zionist God”. (page 28)
Some antisemitism cases that go word for word against the Labour Party rule book were subject to blanket exceptions. No suspension issued. (page 32)
Alex Scott-Samuel, who has promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories on a David Icke show, chaired the meeting to discuss Luciana Berger’s replacement. He was never sanctioned. (page 42)
Elleanne Green, a close friend fo Jeremy Corbyn, shared a post blaming “scriptwriters in Tel Aviv” for the Christchurch massacre. The report implies her case is ongoing or she has never been sanctioned. (page 42)
Tom Watson had allegedly forwarded 50 complaints to Corbyn, and no action was taken. Examples of complaints included tweets linking Hitler & the Rothschilds, and questioning whether Jewish MPs had “human blood”. (page 49)
Is that enough evidence? |
The allegations being investigated by the EHRC are disgusting and need to be resolved (through criminal prosecutions where appropriate).
The Times twitter link doesn’t “expose ongoing Corbyn lies”. It paints the picture of a factious internal battle, where certain elements in the party are against the changes being made. It’s made clear that the changes Corbyn has/is introducing are aimed at speeding up investigations. Looks to me that the issue is whether they’re legally/constitutionally sound, so it’s a complaint around governance.
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