| Largely gave up watching QT 22:52 - Feb 20 with 20195 views | Bluefish |
Because I wa sick of the brexit loop. Back on it tonight but it is still ridiculous gammons |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:39 - Feb 21 with 3099 views | HARRY10 |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 20:52 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
It was just one reason for my dislike of the BBC, there were others, such as the Jimmy Saville scandal, it's news reporting in general, the obscene amount it pays for so called 'talent'. It is you and others who seem to be obsessed with Brexit & remain not me. Look at that Harry10 for example.
Oh and btw I voted remain. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 21:04]
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of course you did, and some of you friends are black
pointing out the obvious when so many are in denial is not 'obsessed' - and I would venture to say had more been pionted out previously then we may well not be in the mess we are now ie having to deal with the harsh realities of deluding ourselves that what was promised in 2016 cannot and will not happen
perhaps it is time for you are and others to 'move on' fom those lies and face the truth - it's not going to happen |  | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:48 - Feb 21 with 3082 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:20 - Feb 21 by Ryorry |
I do enjoy Strictly & things like the gardening progs which they are superb at, esp the 4 days coverage of Chelsea. Living in Yorks I don't have a bat in hell's chance of being able to afford it or get down there. Also minority sports on red button, equestrian etc.
At £154.50 a *year* for the licence, it's amazing value. Heard one geezer on R5 (!) say he pays £120 a *month* for Netflix or something, & that was just for that one channel's TV alone.
I never noticed the "intrusive reporter" thing before, but probably will now, dammit!! |
It’s ridiculously good value and looking better value all the time as more subscription services enter the scene. All the TV, radio, website for sport, news (ok not so good, but ok for quick links), weather, science, environment, arts, etc.
Sky is anywhere between c. £264 upwards a year
Netflix over £100 for hd included
The Times digital is £312 per year
People are mad to attack it. Ok it’s never going to be all things to all people, and it may get some things wrong, but we’re culturally richer with the BBC (and I hate adverts). |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:53 - Feb 21 with 3072 views | Ryorry |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:48 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s ridiculously good value and looking better value all the time as more subscription services enter the scene. All the TV, radio, website for sport, news (ok not so good, but ok for quick links), weather, science, environment, arts, etc.
Sky is anywhere between c. £264 upwards a year
Netflix over £100 for hd included
The Times digital is £312 per year
People are mad to attack it. Ok it’s never going to be all things to all people, and it may get some things wrong, but we’re culturally richer with the BBC (and I hate adverts). |
For starters, can you imagine the Proms with adverts between every movement of every symphony, concerto etc?!    If indeed anyone else were willing to commit to broadcasting them every night, sometimes twice a night, for 2 months ...
Edit - and I'll just add in there the BBC's massive services to music in this country - supporting orchestras and choirs, commissioning new works, educating children (nb also BBC schools progs), relaying many festivals live - Glasto, V, world music etc. Our music culture in its entirety would not be the vibrant, magnificent thing it is now without the BBC. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 22:00]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:55 - Feb 21 with 3067 views | Darth_Koont |
It's a bunch of nonsense. Let's be real. |  |
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| Wow on 21:55 - Feb 21 with 3069 views | Dyland |
| If you think the BBC is on 18:09 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
Wow an even better response.
I take it you are just incapable of responding like an adult.
Everything I stated about the BBC i can back up & do so by not having to quote right wing tabloid propaganda guff either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/dame_janet_smith
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aucDmK5E4bU
I have believed the BBC to be biased in its news reporting for some time, the interview with Robin Aiken in the YouTube video just confirmed what I thought. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 18:19]
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"Everything I stated about the BBC i can back up & do so by not having to quote right wing tabloid propaganda guff either."
You then post a video by the right wing commentator Peter Whittle. He is of course biased, just like everyone else. I think Aitken's book is interesting, but the bias of just posting this makes you look like an idiot. Sorry.
What on earth has the BBC Trust's review into Savile etc. got to do with your complaint that the BBC is left wing? |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:56 - Feb 21 with 3065 views | vapour_trail |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:48 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s ridiculously good value and looking better value all the time as more subscription services enter the scene. All the TV, radio, website for sport, news (ok not so good, but ok for quick links), weather, science, environment, arts, etc.
Sky is anywhere between c. £264 upwards a year
Netflix over £100 for hd included
The Times digital is £312 per year
People are mad to attack it. Ok it’s never going to be all things to all people, and it may get some things wrong, but we’re culturally richer with the BBC (and I hate adverts). |
All governments have found the bbc a pain in the arse.
This one wants to diminish it to a point where it can have a broadcast media landscape that resembles the printed press that is predominantly onside.
The government will prevail. It will not end well. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 22:10 - Feb 21 with 3034 views | HARRY10 |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:48 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s ridiculously good value and looking better value all the time as more subscription services enter the scene. All the TV, radio, website for sport, news (ok not so good, but ok for quick links), weather, science, environment, arts, etc.
Sky is anywhere between c. £264 upwards a year
Netflix over £100 for hd included
The Times digital is £312 per year
People are mad to attack it. Ok it’s never going to be all things to all people, and it may get some things wrong, but we’re culturally richer with the BBC (and I hate adverts). |
The political point is that rather than rebut 'uncomfortable truths' the BBC supposedly put out, the right can claim they don't have to rebut anything - as whatever is said is merely BBC bias...pandering to 'metropitan liberal elites'
Which is also a comfort to the not too bright (brexiteers) who might just wonder why that actual bias is not exposed as such by factual evidence.
Much as in Animal Farm where all failures were not down to the pigs who were running it - but by evil deeds carried out by the previous farmer, Mr Jones.
You need look no further than North Korea to see the same stuff whereby failure is blamed on another source.
It also provides a needed distraction from 79m Turks, £350,000m for the NHS, easiest deal in the world, no one is talking about access to the Single Market, 40 new deals on day one .... etc | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 23:54 - Feb 21 with 2976 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:36 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Welcome back buh |
Why thank you! Although... I never really went away!  |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:02 - Feb 22 with 2963 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 20:59 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
Do you see how much other channels pay for their ‘talent’? |
Yes but the difference is other channels are not public funded or only partially funded by the public, they have other sources of revenue like advertising. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:06 - Feb 22 with 2947 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:02 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
Yes but the difference is other channels are not public funded or only partially funded by the public, they have other sources of revenue like advertising. |
Not sure if you saw earlier on, but I asked what you use for your news sources if you avoid MSM? Always good to throw a few new sources into the old rotation. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 0:09]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:25 - Feb 22 with 2934 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 21:07 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue |
You’re just quoting a common argument commonly repeated by right leaning commentators and circulated in Brexiteer circles. The bias of the BBC depends who’s making the programmes. QT notoriously favoured the leave argument, even at a time when it wasn’t even a thing. Their false equivalence blew up at one point and became a talking point (along with climate change). Farage the only MEP on QT, for example. And on it pretty much more than anyone else. It’s got an audience arranger(?) who’s known to recruit UKIP/BP activists (sometimes the same one, posing as different people in different episodes).
I’m not convinced in QT’s case it was an attempt to change the argument; it may have simply been for good TV (Farage and frothing activists do make good TV). I’m not sure. Whichever, the effect is the same.
Then there’s the Today Programme and Humphrys giving leave politicians a completely free ride, allowing them to spew lies unchallenged. Belatedly that changed, but then the Tories had a huff and stormed off after losing their friendly host.
There are enough senior staff in news/current affair programmes with a right leaning bent and/or Tory links: Andrew Neil is the obvious one. In fairness he does a decent job of holding everyone to account on screen. His leanings are very obvious though through his writings in the Spectator and on social media.
Nick Robinson was there (once had a senior Young Conservative’s role), and his political editor/producer(?) went on to be an advisor to George Osborne. Kuenssberg would be all over Boris like a rash if she could be. Robbie Gibb was editor for political programming before joining May as her head of press.
So it’s simply lazy regurgitation of smears to say the BBC are lefties/liberals/remainders. They’ve always been attacked by certain elements of the right wing press, and especially the Murdoch empire because they see a respected national broadcaster as a threat to their market position. |
It is not 'simply a lazy regurgitation of smears to say BBC are lefties/liberals/remainers'. I am able to form my on opinion on the BBC 's news coverage and content in general. There have been numerous former BBC employees who have stated the BBC is biased towards the Left, Liberal and remain. John Humphrys, Peter Sissons & Robin Aiken have stated that it is, as well as others who still work there like Andrew Marr.
I tell you what is lazy, assuming someone who believes the BBC is biased towards the left/liberal/remain must be right leaning politically. I would have the same issue with the BBC if it was biased towards the right wing like the Mail & the Telegraph.
I am not saying this is you but a lot of people on here just want to lazily & ignorantly label people. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 1:01]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:28 - Feb 22 with 2927 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:25 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
It is not 'simply a lazy regurgitation of smears to say BBC are lefties/liberals/remainers'. I am able to form my on opinion on the BBC 's news coverage and content in general. There have been numerous former BBC employees who have stated the BBC is biased towards the Left, Liberal and remain. John Humphrys, Peter Sissons & Robin Aiken have stated that it is, as well as others who still work there like Andrew Marr.
I tell you what is lazy, assuming someone who believes the BBC is biased towards the left/liberal/remain must be right leaning politically. I would have the same issue with the BBC if it was biased towards the right wing like the Mail & the Telegraph.
I am not saying this is you but a lot of people on here just want to lazily & ignorantly label people. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 1:01]
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Not sure if you saw earlier on, but I asked what you use for your news sources if you avoid MSM? Always good to throw a few new sources into the old rotation. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:30 - Feb 22 with 2923 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:06 - Feb 22 by SpruceMoose |
Not sure if you saw earlier on, but I asked what you use for your news sources if you avoid MSM? Always good to throw a few new sources into the old rotation. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 0:09]
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Reuters, the Associated press, Al Jazeera English, Rich Planet TV, amongst others. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:35 - Feb 22 with 2914 views | jeera |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:30 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
Reuters, the Associated press, Al Jazeera English, Rich Planet TV, amongst others. |
Reuters?
The news source that most news outlets use anyway.
Righto. |  |
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| Wow on 00:39 - Feb 22 with 2906 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Wow on 21:55 - Feb 21 by Dyland |
"Everything I stated about the BBC i can back up & do so by not having to quote right wing tabloid propaganda guff either."
You then post a video by the right wing commentator Peter Whittle. He is of course biased, just like everyone else. I think Aitken's book is interesting, but the bias of just posting this makes you look like an idiot. Sorry.
What on earth has the BBC Trust's review into Savile etc. got to do with your complaint that the BBC is left wing? |
I said right wing TABLOID guff.
It's not the views of Peter Whittle that are important here is is the views of the interviewee the respected journalist Robin Aiken who worked for the BBC for 25 years that are important.
The BBC Trust 's review obviously has nothing to do with my complaint about the BBC's left wing bias it was to do with my complaint that I also mentioned in my post that you replied to about how at best it ignored Saville's abuse & at worst covered it up. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:51 - Feb 22 with 2892 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:35 - Feb 22 by jeera |
Reuters?
The news source that most news outlets use anyway.
Righto. |
I know you probably think you are being clever with sarcastic remarks like that but believe me you are not.
Getting the news a bit more directly from source is generally more reliable because there is less chance that the news has been skewed, massaged or taken out of context. Most MSM journalists these days are nothing more than political activists who put their own spin on a story to suit their agenda. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 1:07]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:06 - Feb 22 with 2872 views | jeera |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 00:51 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
I know you probably think you are being clever with sarcastic remarks like that but believe me you are not.
Getting the news a bit more directly from source is generally more reliable because there is less chance that the news has been skewed, massaged or taken out of context. Most MSM journalists these days are nothing more than political activists who put their own spin on a story to suit their agenda. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 1:07]
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One of us certainly thinks we're being clever, yes. There's nothing sarcastic in my post there at all. It's the truth.
This obsession with msm has become all a bit trendy hasn't it?
The 'don't believe all you read' thing is more oft than not repeated by those who do actually seem to believe all they read.
If Anglia news tells me a tree has fallen down on so and so road, I tend to believe it, yes.
If a house has caught alight, I see no reason for the BBC or any other source to have made it up.
If I hear something outrageous then, like many others, I check elsewhere or expect another source to leap on it and make it public.
Watching youtube videos with weird people making sh1t up isn't news but some will prefer that over msm because 'msm'.
Most mainstream stuff is a bit vague because unless a certain subject is of particular importance then no one really cares anyway.
The next time a big event comes along, feel free to offer some comparisons and alternatives that are of consequence instead of trying to big yourself up for using the same sources as everyone else. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:13]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:24 - Feb 22 with 2858 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:06 - Feb 22 by jeera |
One of us certainly thinks we're being clever, yes. There's nothing sarcastic in my post there at all. It's the truth.
This obsession with msm has become all a bit trendy hasn't it?
The 'don't believe all you read' thing is more oft than not repeated by those who do actually seem to believe all they read.
If Anglia news tells me a tree has fallen down on so and so road, I tend to believe it, yes.
If a house has caught alight, I see no reason for the BBC or any other source to have made it up.
If I hear something outrageous then, like many others, I check elsewhere or expect another source to leap on it and make it public.
Watching youtube videos with weird people making sh1t up isn't news but some will prefer that over msm because 'msm'.
Most mainstream stuff is a bit vague because unless a certain subject is of particular importance then no one really cares anyway.
The next time a big event comes along, feel free to offer some comparisons and alternatives that are of consequence instead of trying to big yourself up for using the same sources as everyone else. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:13]
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Your post was truthful yes but it was also sarcastic & you know it was.
I am not trying to big myself up i gave my view on the BBC, why I think the license fee is wrong & why I refuse to pay it. There were several reasons I gave for this but most on here just became obsessed with my opinion that it is biased towards the Left/Liberal/Remain. They were not interested in debating or providing a counter argument just straight in labelling me a Tory/Right Winger/Brexiteer. One response was just oh bog off or something like that.
SpruceMoose asked me what sources i get my news from so I told him, Reuters was just one of them.
I previously stated that if people like the BBC and think it is good value for money then fine, I just don't believe everyone should be made to pay just because they may wish to watch live terrestrial television. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 1:30]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:36 - Feb 22 with 2846 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:06 - Feb 22 by jeera |
One of us certainly thinks we're being clever, yes. There's nothing sarcastic in my post there at all. It's the truth.
This obsession with msm has become all a bit trendy hasn't it?
The 'don't believe all you read' thing is more oft than not repeated by those who do actually seem to believe all they read.
If Anglia news tells me a tree has fallen down on so and so road, I tend to believe it, yes.
If a house has caught alight, I see no reason for the BBC or any other source to have made it up.
If I hear something outrageous then, like many others, I check elsewhere or expect another source to leap on it and make it public.
Watching youtube videos with weird people making sh1t up isn't news but some will prefer that over msm because 'msm'.
Most mainstream stuff is a bit vague because unless a certain subject is of particular importance then no one really cares anyway.
The next time a big event comes along, feel free to offer some comparisons and alternatives that are of consequence instead of trying to big yourself up for using the same sources as everyone else. [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:13]
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Bam. This is why you the man Jeera. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:11 - Feb 22 with 2821 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 01:36 - Feb 22 by SpruceMoose |
Bam. This is why you the man Jeera. |
"Bam. This is why you the man Jeera."
What age are you, 15? | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:15 - Feb 22 with 2816 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:11 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
"Bam. This is why you the man Jeera."
What age are you, 15? |
Well, if we are going to be all ridiculous and absurd about this... What if I am?! [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:22]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:32 - Feb 22 with 2802 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:15 - Feb 22 by SpruceMoose |
Well, if we are going to be all ridiculous and absurd about this... What if I am?! [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:22]
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Well if you are, I might have to stop replying to you as I would be worried I might get accused of grooming. The way so many on here jump to conclusions it wouldn't surprise me [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:33]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:52 - Feb 22 with 2790 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:32 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
Well if you are, I might have to stop replying to you as I would be worried I might get accused of grooming. The way so many on here jump to conclusions it wouldn't surprise me [Post edited 22 Feb 2020 2:33]
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Seems a bit paranoid to be honest matey. I'm middle aged, so don't worry too much!
Don't be so mean in future though, that ain't cool brother! | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 03:19 - Feb 22 with 2777 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 02:52 - Feb 22 by SpruceMoose |
Seems a bit paranoid to be honest matey. I'm middle aged, so don't worry too much!
Don't be so mean in future though, that ain't cool brother! |
Apologies i just thought your reply to Jeera was a bit immature that's all.
I am not trying to score points over anyone I am just giving my opinion on certain things. If people agree that's cool, if they don't that's cool also. I am just not interested in this whole political tribalism thing that goes on here sometimes. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 03:22 - Feb 22 with 2774 views | SpruceMoose |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 03:19 - Feb 22 by Enigma_Blue |
Apologies i just thought your reply to Jeera was a bit immature that's all.
I am not trying to score points over anyone I am just giving my opinion on certain things. If people agree that's cool, if they don't that's cool also. I am just not interested in this whole political tribalism thing that goes on here sometimes. |
Well I suppose that's the thing with perceived tribalism. Easy to forget you're part of one yourself while you're busy accusing everyone else of being in one. | |
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