| Largely gave up watching QT 22:52 - Feb 20 with 20190 views | Bluefish |
Because I wa sick of the brexit loop. Back on it tonight but it is still ridiculous gammons |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:11 - Feb 21 with 3983 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:04 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
Ah you've cancelled John Humphries! Lovely stuff. |
Cringe. You're going big on things you don't understand today. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:13 - Feb 21 with 3976 views | WeWereZombies |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:02 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
Possibly - the people i quoted were from the earlier part of the last decade. I didn't see any love for Corbyn from the BBC, but they would fawn over another Blair. |
Given the sanitising effect of 'modernisation' that Blair had on Labour I doubt whether many would see him as left wing, many regarded him as slightly to the right and 'Thatcher lite'. Even before what I perceive as their sudden lurch to the right the BBC were giving an inordinate amount of air time, considering the run of failure he had at getting himself elected as a Member of Parliament, to Nigel Farage. This attitude of the BBC being unacceptably left wing has always mystified me, sure their journalists are often idealistic but that is generally how people are when they leave university. Those who stayed the course like John Simpson and John Sergeant rapidly became more balanced. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:17 - Feb 21 with 3958 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:11 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
Cringe. You're going big on things you don't understand today. |
Are you participating in a patronisation contest with Herbivore? He'll be gutted he's gone 2-0 down not being about. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:19 - Feb 21 with 3951 views | itfcjoe |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:13 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
Given the sanitising effect of 'modernisation' that Blair had on Labour I doubt whether many would see him as left wing, many regarded him as slightly to the right and 'Thatcher lite'. Even before what I perceive as their sudden lurch to the right the BBC were giving an inordinate amount of air time, considering the run of failure he had at getting himself elected as a Member of Parliament, to Nigel Farage. This attitude of the BBC being unacceptably left wing has always mystified me, sure their journalists are often idealistic but that is generally how people are when they leave university. Those who stayed the course like John Simpson and John Sergeant rapidly became more balanced. |
When the Daily Mail and Telegraph think it is left wing, but the real left leaning media sources (not as main stream) think it is right wing then you know it is doing something right.
Everyone would miss it when it is gone - what it produces for the licence fee is a bargain and we are lucky to have it. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:21 - Feb 21 with 3945 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:19 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
When the Daily Mail and Telegraph think it is left wing, but the real left leaning media sources (not as main stream) think it is right wing then you know it is doing something right.
Everyone would miss it when it is gone - what it produces for the licence fee is a bargain and we are lucky to have it. |
The thing about the licence fee is though you should be able to opt out if you wish but it is impossible.
I would pay it but it should be an option. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:22 - Feb 21 with 3938 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:17 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
Are you participating in a patronisation contest with Herbivore? He'll be gutted he's gone 2-0 down not being about. |
There's not really a lot else to say if you keep throwing around words like 'woke' and 'cancelled' that you've just picked up from somewhere without knowing the meaning behind their usage.
Especially when you don't even bother to address the posts properly, instead trying to get in a smarmy smart-@rse comment. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:23 - Feb 21 with 3932 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:19 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
When the Daily Mail and Telegraph think it is left wing, but the real left leaning media sources (not as main stream) think it is right wing then you know it is doing something right.
Everyone would miss it when it is gone - what it produces for the licence fee is a bargain and we are lucky to have it. |
I wouldn't abolish the license fee but non payment should not be a criminal offence.
I read somewhere that 75% of people prosecuted for non payment are single mothers and licence-fee evasion accounted for 30% of all prosecutions against women. That is plain wrong. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 15:25]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:24 - Feb 21 with 3923 views | itfcjoe |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:21 - Feb 21 by Lord_Lucan |
The thing about the licence fee is though you should be able to opt out if you wish but it is impossible.
I would pay it but it should be an option. |
It just doesn't really work to opt out though does it, because then it would be paid for and dictated to by the Government of the day
I can see why that gets criticism, but when you look around the world it is something that is required - I think it is one of Britain's finest achievements and to sacrifice it for a cultrue war with this tw@ttish current Tory Government led by Cummings would be a mistake. You only have to look at US TV to see why | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:24 - Feb 21 with 3922 views | Mullet |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:23 - Feb 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I wouldn't abolish the license fee but non payment should not be a criminal offence.
I read somewhere that 75% of people prosecuted for non payment are single mothers and licence-fee evasion accounted for 30% of all prosecutions against women. That is plain wrong. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 15:25]
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It's because it becomes a fine like no others and handled by bailiffs I believe. That's the government's doing not the BBC's apparently. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:25 - Feb 21 with 3919 views | BrianTablet |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:34 - Feb 21 by Ryorry |
Agree about R4 of course, but I find 3, 4Xtra & 5 also excellent, as well as all the superb TV dramas, docus & "light" stuff such as Strictly.
Above all, the collaborations with the OU to produce science, technology, natural world & music programmes are beyond outstanding - imho literally the best in the world - and actually contribute to developing research in those areas (if you saw the 'citizen science' research into pandemics recently, with (iirc) a couple of million people all over the UK feeding in the personal data of their movements, resulting in a better understanding of how disease can sread, you'll know what I mean). |
I love all the interesting stuff but can't bear to watch the light stuff or anything where the presenter is on screen more than 50% of the time. What's wrong with voiceovers?
The 'walk towards the camera looking sincere (smug)' malarkey.
And WHY do we need to see the reporter in front of the action as it's happening live?
I think they did this for a 100m race once. Utter madness. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:25 - Feb 21 with 3917 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:24 - Feb 21 by Mullet |
It's because it becomes a fine like no others and handled by bailiffs I believe. That's the government's doing not the BBC's apparently. |
Indeed. It should be decriminalised by the government. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:31 - Feb 21 with 3904 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:22 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
There's not really a lot else to say if you keep throwing around words like 'woke' and 'cancelled' that you've just picked up from somewhere without knowing the meaning behind their usage.
Especially when you don't even bother to address the posts properly, instead trying to get in a smarmy smart-@rse comment. |
I know exactly what they mean, you just don't like them because you don't agree them, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And don't get on your high horse about addressing posts properly, I respond with politeness and etiquette unless none is forthcoming in the other direction. To not resort to a more 'smarmy' tone after receiving at least four contemptuous comments from yourself, is frankly more than you deserved. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:32 - Feb 21 with 3903 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:19 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
When the Daily Mail and Telegraph think it is left wing, but the real left leaning media sources (not as main stream) think it is right wing then you know it is doing something right.
Everyone would miss it when it is gone - what it produces for the licence fee is a bargain and we are lucky to have it. |
The 'if both sides are criticising it then it must be doing something right', regardless of what it's referring to, is a bit of a logical fallacy though isn't it? It assumes the criticisms of both sides is fair and made in good faith, and that the side that is being presented more favourably isn't just criticising anyway to counter the 'other side'. Like all criticism of things, you have to take it with a pinch of salt and try and work it our for yourself.
I agree that even the BBC's biggest critics (in terms of the general public) would miss it if it went. The comparisons with Netflix etc. don't stack up as the output is so much greater and it's hardly as if streaming services don't have a load of sh!te on there. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:43 - Feb 21 with 3872 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:13 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
Given the sanitising effect of 'modernisation' that Blair had on Labour I doubt whether many would see him as left wing, many regarded him as slightly to the right and 'Thatcher lite'. Even before what I perceive as their sudden lurch to the right the BBC were giving an inordinate amount of air time, considering the run of failure he had at getting himself elected as a Member of Parliament, to Nigel Farage. This attitude of the BBC being unacceptably left wing has always mystified me, sure their journalists are often idealistic but that is generally how people are when they leave university. Those who stayed the course like John Simpson and John Sergeant rapidly became more balanced. |
Many on the far left see Blair as a 'red Tory', his apprenticeship as a Trotskyist and a fairly radical (and in my opinion, one of the best in my lifetime) first term in government tends to disagree with that.
Going back to the BBC point, even though i think there is a still a liberal bias there, i am in favour of the licence fee. It is worth preserving. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:44 - Feb 21 with 3869 views | jaykay |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 11:16 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
I'm going to have to make my whooshes more obvious in future I guess... |
you would have thought by now posters would have worked out which posters are ,the good guys, which are the bad guys those that are being ironic and those that like to troll by now |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:44 - Feb 21 with 3869 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:31 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
I know exactly what they mean, you just don't like them because you don't agree them, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And don't get on your high horse about addressing posts properly, I respond with politeness and etiquette unless none is forthcoming in the other direction. To not resort to a more 'smarmy' tone after receiving at least four contemptuous comments from yourself, is frankly more than you deserved. |
No, genuinely, not being argumentative, it comes across like you don't, like you just heard them and are regurgitating them without really getting it.
You posted an out of context quote and I provided the full quote which went against the point you were making and instead of addressing it you made some ham-fisted comment about cancelling John Humphries [sic]. As I said, not a lot to address there is there? Your 2nd para is nonsensical and showing you're out of your depth here. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:44 - Feb 21 with 3861 views | unstableblue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 11:18 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
The BBC on the whole is rubbish, why some people continue to pay their TV license to fund this odious organisation is beyond me. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 11:33]
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It’s really really not.
QT still has its moments.
The license fee is worth it for football focus, MOTD, The Today programme, Broadcasting House, Desert Island discs, BBC Suffolk Sport, and Newsnight
Plus a myriad of other things.
Britain is not in a good place currently, turning on the BBC is a race to the bottom.
As a public we should put our energies into getting our senior government being accountable to the BBC - not some ‘fake news’ agenda |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:55 - Feb 21 with 3823 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:44 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
No, genuinely, not being argumentative, it comes across like you don't, like you just heard them and are regurgitating them without really getting it.
You posted an out of context quote and I provided the full quote which went against the point you were making and instead of addressing it you made some ham-fisted comment about cancelling John Humphries [sic]. As I said, not a lot to address there is there? Your 2nd para is nonsensical and showing you're out of your depth here. |
To cancel someone is to make them persona non grata through something that they have said. John Humphrys has been a distinguished, intelligent broadcaster for many years. He's obviously had an opinion on something which doesn't correlate with the immaculate standards of political correctness.
Now instead of saying, well i disagree with him on that, but he's entitled to his opinion, I feel you have cancelled him by dismissing his opinion on the bbc, and presumably anything else he has to say on anything.
Now you may deny that, but even if you do, that doesn't alter the fact that i know what cancelled means. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 16:06 - Feb 21 with 3797 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:55 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
To cancel someone is to make them persona non grata through something that they have said. John Humphrys has been a distinguished, intelligent broadcaster for many years. He's obviously had an opinion on something which doesn't correlate with the immaculate standards of political correctness.
Now instead of saying, well i disagree with him on that, but he's entitled to his opinion, I feel you have cancelled him by dismissing his opinion on the bbc, and presumably anything else he has to say on anything.
Now you may deny that, but even if you do, that doesn't alter the fact that i know what cancelled means. |
If you really knew what it meant you would have seen that I quite plainly wasn't doing that, merely remarking that it's not really a surprise (and thus doesn't give much weight to your original point) that a man with the criticisms he's faced would label the BBC left wing, given that thinking making degrading comments towards women (or 'immaculate standards of political correctness' as you bizarrely decide to put it) is bad tends to be seen as a 'lefty' viewpoint, even though it should really be accepted by everyone.
Again, it doesn't seem like you've really understood what's been said and are just tying yourself in knots here.
For clarity re: Humphrys - given his previous comments and criticism received for such comments, you should take his criticism of the BBC with a pinch of salt. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:17 - Feb 21 with 3737 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 16:06 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
If you really knew what it meant you would have seen that I quite plainly wasn't doing that, merely remarking that it's not really a surprise (and thus doesn't give much weight to your original point) that a man with the criticisms he's faced would label the BBC left wing, given that thinking making degrading comments towards women (or 'immaculate standards of political correctness' as you bizarrely decide to put it) is bad tends to be seen as a 'lefty' viewpoint, even though it should really be accepted by everyone.
Again, it doesn't seem like you've really understood what's been said and are just tying yourself in knots here.
For clarity re: Humphrys - given his previous comments and criticism received for such comments, you should take his criticism of the BBC with a pinch of salt. |
It is you tying yourself in knots trying to make a direct link with whatever comments he made on another topic, and his view on the BBC, when all you have done is made an ad hominem attack on him by dismissing his views.
Now that could be debated either way, what is clear though is that i've just provided a definition for you for a word which you accused me of not knowing what it meant, but you haven't acknowledged this or provided an opposing definition of what you think it means. Just a fuzzy "doesn't seem like you've really understood" deliberately conflated with the point referred to in my previous paragraph to provide further obfuscation. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 17:18]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:19 - Feb 21 with 3731 views | Doctor_Earman |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:32 - Feb 21 with 3723 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:17 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
It is you tying yourself in knots trying to make a direct link with whatever comments he made on another topic, and his view on the BBC, when all you have done is made an ad hominem attack on him by dismissing his views.
Now that could be debated either way, what is clear though is that i've just provided a definition for you for a word which you accused me of not knowing what it meant, but you haven't acknowledged this or provided an opposing definition of what you think it means. Just a fuzzy "doesn't seem like you've really understood" deliberately conflated with the point referred to in my previous paragraph to provide further obfuscation. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 17:18]
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Ok well we'll leave it at you thinking you know what you're talking about and me knowing I'm right. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:57 - Feb 21 with 3698 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 17:32 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
Ok well we'll leave it at you thinking you know what you're talking about and me knowing I'm right. |
Perhaps you could incorporate that sentence in your signature ? | |
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| If you think the BBC is on 18:09 - Feb 21 with 3688 views | Enigma_Blue |
| If you think the BBC is "left wing" there's no point continuing on 14:52 - Feb 21 by Dyland |
Keep your head firmly stuck up your arse if that's what makes you comfortable.
FFS [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:54]
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Wow an even better response.
I take it you are just incapable of responding like an adult.
Everything I stated about the BBC i can back up & do so by not having to quote right wing tabloid propaganda guff either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/dame_janet_smith
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aucDmK5E4bU
I have believed the BBC to be biased in its news reporting for some time, the interview with Robin Aiken in the YouTube video just confirmed what I thought. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 18:19]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 18:40 - Feb 21 with 3658 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:44 - Feb 21 by unstableblue |
It’s really really not.
QT still has its moments.
The license fee is worth it for football focus, MOTD, The Today programme, Broadcasting House, Desert Island discs, BBC Suffolk Sport, and Newsnight
Plus a myriad of other things.
Britain is not in a good place currently, turning on the BBC is a race to the bottom.
As a public we should put our energies into getting our senior government being accountable to the BBC - not some ‘fake news’ agenda |
My reason for referring to it as odious is largely due to the Jimmy Seville scandal.
(See the first link i provided in my response to Dyland)
As I have stated in other replies there is the odd decent programme on the BBC, Line of Duty is rather good, desert island discs as you mentioned. As for MOTD, sky upload highlights of all the premier league matches to YouTube early Saturday and Sunday evening, and don't get me started on Gary lineker's salary! Not just old jug ears either most of their presenters are massively over paid. The amount of presenters & pundits they use to cover big events like the Olympics & World cup is rediculous, there is just no need and it is such a waste of money.
If people like the BBC, believe it provides good value for money and are willing to pay the TV licence that's fine but I won't be. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 18:43]
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