| Largely gave up watching QT 22:52 - Feb 20 with 20618 views | Bluefish |
Because I wa sick of the brexit loop. Back on it tonight but it is still ridiculous gammons |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:11 - Feb 21 with 1460 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 13:22 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
Take away the licence fee based funding and just watch the United Kingdom's television degenerate into the turgid drivel you are subjected to in the United States or Spain, do not for a minute think I will not blame you and any others who support it. Take your point about Saville, quite fortunate to have film makers like Louis Theroux around to kick off the questions around his activities rather than Prime Ministers like Margaret Thatcher welcoming Saville into Number Ten:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Louis_Met...
You may like to reconsider your opinions in the light of that documentary series being on BBC Two. |
My opinion is largely based on the findings of retired judge Dame Janet Smith who spent three years examining Saville's activities at the BBC.
Her report stated that there were 117 BBC employees, (some of them famous) who were aware of Saville's sexual conduct yet none of them reported the claims and it concluded the presenter sexually assaulted 72 victims while working for the BBC.
As for the BBC's political bias I urge you & others to watch the YouTube video How BBC Bias Works with Robin Aiken. In case you aren't aware of who he is, he is a journalist who used to work for the BBC.
Just for clarity I do not align my self politically to any particular party, I am just in favour of facts and balanced reporting by all media outlets. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:32]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:13 - Feb 21 with 1460 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 12:28 - Feb 21 by flimflam |
Gave up watching it ages ago but watched last nights as like Michael Portillo who shows how poor modern day politicians are.
Also dislike Fiona Bruce who Portillo brushed aside with ease each time she tried to butt in. |
He’s on a different level to the current lot isn’t he. Much like Blair. Irrespective of their beliefs, they’re cerebrally streets ahead of today’s politicians we see regularly in the news. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:15 - Feb 21 with 1455 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 12:28 - Feb 21 by flimflam |
Gave up watching it ages ago but watched last nights as like Michael Portillo who shows how poor modern day politicians are.
Also dislike Fiona Bruce who Portillo brushed aside with ease each time she tried to butt in. |
I missed it last night, normally if I miss it I won't bother with catch up but if Portillo was on I'll make a point of viewing it at some point.
Disagree about Fiona Bruce though, I think she's been very good. Strange thing though, every time I look at her I get these images in my head of her all latexed up with a gag in her gob, I don't know why but I can't stop it.
If anyone remembers Reginald Perrin it's my version of his hippopotamus [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:17]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:19 - Feb 21 with 1432 views | Ryorry |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:11 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
My opinion is largely based on the findings of retired judge Dame Janet Smith who spent three years examining Saville's activities at the BBC.
Her report stated that there were 117 BBC employees, (some of them famous) who were aware of Saville's sexual conduct yet none of them reported the claims and it concluded the presenter sexually assaulted 72 victims while working for the BBC.
As for the BBC's political bias I urge you & others to watch the YouTube video How BBC Bias Works with Robin Aiken. In case you aren't aware of who he is, he is a journalist who used to work for the BBC.
Just for clarity I do not align my self politically to any particular party, I am just in favour of facts and balanced reporting by all media outlets. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:32]
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You might want to throw your baby out with the bathwater, but the rest of us prefer to keep & treasure our babies. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:19 - Feb 21 with 1430 views | m14_blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:11 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
My opinion is largely based on the findings of retired judge Dame Janet Smith who spent three years examining Saville's activities at the BBC.
Her report stated that there were 117 BBC employees, (some of them famous) who were aware of Saville's sexual conduct yet none of them reported the claims and it concluded the presenter sexually assaulted 72 victims while working for the BBC.
As for the BBC's political bias I urge you & others to watch the YouTube video How BBC Bias Works with Robin Aiken. In case you aren't aware of who he is, he is a journalist who used to work for the BBC.
Just for clarity I do not align my self politically to any particular party, I am just in favour of facts and balanced reporting by all media outlets. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:32]
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“I don’t align myself politically to any particular party.”
I think that may be factually incorrect. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:24 - Feb 21 with 1425 views | BrianTablet |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 13:58 - Feb 21 by Ryorry |
Half-heard 'Any Questions?" on R4 last 2 weeks, seemed a couple of divisions above QT (tho wasn't giving it my full attention either week). |
Radio 4 is all that's left really.
It covers everything, best news (Today/PM) best comedy (ISIHAC, News Quiz, etc) best drama, DID, and best pips.
And no annoying adverts.
I never thought it'd come to this! I must be old. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:26 - Feb 21 with 1423 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 13:50 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
"Doesn't even try to hide it's left wing & remainder [sic] bias even though it is supposed to be politically neutral." |
A former BBC director general and several prominent presenters have admitted it has a liberal, if not left-wing, bias. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:28 - Feb 21 with 1417 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:07 - Feb 21 by Ryorry |
Agree about both. Portillo must be the winner by a country mile in the "politician most improved as a human being by leaving politics" stakes! I have a lot of respect for him now.
I always liked F. Bruce as a presenter until she started on QT - she's been a disaster on that - still hasn't fully cottoned on to the fact that she's the referee, not a player in the game. |
I imagine leaving politics has a positive effect on many politicians. Hard to show morality and decency when you have to follow the whip on things like going to war illegally or knowingly impoverishing the people you’re supposed to represent. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:34 - Feb 21 with 1405 views | m14_blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:26 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
A former BBC director general and several prominent presenters have admitted it has a liberal, if not left-wing, bias. |
In its news coverage?
I do find some of the panel shows a bit left leaning even for my taste sometimes. Although I guess that’s partly because not many on the right have a sense of humour at all. | | | |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:34 - Feb 21 with 1404 views | Ryorry |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:24 - Feb 21 by BrianTablet |
Radio 4 is all that's left really.
It covers everything, best news (Today/PM) best comedy (ISIHAC, News Quiz, etc) best drama, DID, and best pips.
And no annoying adverts.
I never thought it'd come to this! I must be old. |
Agree about R4 of course, but I find 3, 4Xtra & 5 also excellent, as well as all the superb TV dramas, docus & "light" stuff such as Strictly.
Above all, the collaborations with the OU to produce science, technology, natural world & music programmes are beyond outstanding - imho literally the best in the world - and actually contribute to developing research in those areas (if you saw the 'citizen science' research into pandemics recently, with (iirc) a couple of million people all over the UK feeding in the personal data of their movements, resulting in a better understanding of how disease can sread, you'll know what I mean). | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:43 - Feb 21 with 1387 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:34 - Feb 21 by m14_blue |
In its news coverage?
I do find some of the panel shows a bit left leaning even for my taste sometimes. Although I guess that’s partly because not many on the right have a sense of humour at all. |
If i can find the quotes i think they meant the entire corporation. It was ex-DG Mark Thompson, Andrew Marr and i think either Evan Davis or John Humphries. All admissions from liberals themselves rather than complaints from conservatives.
Found one quote Mark Thompson said that the BBC had suffered a ‘massive bias to the Left’ | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:44 - Feb 21 with 1380 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:19 - Feb 21 by m14_blue |
“I don’t align myself politically to any particular party.”
I think that may be factually incorrect. |
So as my view on the BBC doesn't sit well with the lefties on here that automatically makes me a Daily Mail reading Tory with a hard on for Boris does it?
I dislike this current Tory government but I dislike the Labour party in its current form & the Lib Dems even more. Also I live in Northern Ireland so it is not possible for me to vote for any of those parties anyway. | | | |
| What an old toilet (n/t) on 14:47 - Feb 21 with 1365 views | Dyland |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 09:54 - Feb 21 by Bluefish |
Half of her relatives probably live in Spain |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:47 - Feb 21 with 1365 views | WeWereZombies |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:26 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
A former BBC director general and several prominent presenters have admitted it has a liberal, if not left-wing, bias. |
But that is small 'l' liberal, not the political party, Without liberality it is impossible to have a wide enough viewpoint to collect information (and that, hopefully, leaves us as viewers and listeners the option to narrow down our opinion of the information presented with our critical abilities). |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:48 - Feb 21 with 1360 views | m14_blue |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:44 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
So as my view on the BBC doesn't sit well with the lefties on here that automatically makes me a Daily Mail reading Tory with a hard on for Boris does it?
I dislike this current Tory government but I dislike the Labour party in its current form & the Lib Dems even more. Also I live in Northern Ireland so it is not possible for me to vote for any of those parties anyway. |
I don’t know, maybe you are telling the truth but it’s hard to believe that you would regurgitate all that guff basically verbatim from the right wing press and then have the independence of mind not to follow their party political views too.
FWIW I certainly don’t think the BBC is perfect but we’ll only realise how important it was when it’s gone and there is nothing left that can’t be controlled by Murdoch or his left wing equivalents. | | | |
| If you think the BBC is "left wing" there's no point continuing on 14:52 - Feb 21 with 1352 views | Dyland |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 13:43 - Feb 21 by Enigma_Blue |
Brilliant response!
If anything I stated is factually incorrect please feel free to highlight it. |
Keep your head firmly stuck up your arse if that's what makes you comfortable.
FFS [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 14:54]
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:53 - Feb 21 with 1350 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:47 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
But that is small 'l' liberal, not the political party, Without liberality it is impossible to have a wide enough viewpoint to collect information (and that, hopefully, leaves us as viewers and listeners the option to narrow down our opinion of the information presented with our critical abilities). |
Well yes I think it would be very hard to find someone who thinks the BBC is specifically biased in favour of the Liberal Democrats.
Whether it being liberal is a good thing is neither here nor there, it has a liberal bias, and although, as I was careful to point out that liberal and left-wing are not interchangeable (there was no bias in favour of Corbyn for example), there is an overlap, so I would say yes the BBC has a left-wing bias. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:55 - Feb 21 with 1346 views | LankHenners |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:43 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
If i can find the quotes i think they meant the entire corporation. It was ex-DG Mark Thompson, Andrew Marr and i think either Evan Davis or John Humphries. All admissions from liberals themselves rather than complaints from conservatives.
Found one quote Mark Thompson said that the BBC had suffered a ‘massive bias to the Left’ |
The full Thompson quote: "In the BBC I joined 30 years ago there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people's personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left. The organisation did struggle then with impartiality. And journalistically, staff were quite mystified by the early years of Thatcher. Now it is a completely different generation. There is much less overt tribalism among the young journalists who work for the BBC."
Given the criticism he got for his numerous negative comments on women and transgender issues it's not really a surprise if John Humphrys is complaining about the BBC being 'left wing' by his dubious definition. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:57 - Feb 21 with 1341 views | Mullet |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:53 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
Well yes I think it would be very hard to find someone who thinks the BBC is specifically biased in favour of the Liberal Democrats.
Whether it being liberal is a good thing is neither here nor there, it has a liberal bias, and although, as I was careful to point out that liberal and left-wing are not interchangeable (there was no bias in favour of Corbyn for example), there is an overlap, so I would say yes the BBC has a left-wing bias. |
You're confusing educated with liberal and left-wing, and making the same hamfisted "Overton window" argument that Brexiteers and far right types make without irony whenever given a platform on the BBC.
There's certainly an argument that the original ethos of the BBC to inform, educate and entertain squeezed out the bigoted, but certainly not the conservative. How that's changed, and how it's perceived nearly a hundred years later is telling. |  |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:57 - Feb 21 with 1345 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 12:28 - Feb 21 by flimflam |
Gave up watching it ages ago but watched last nights as like Michael Portillo who shows how poor modern day politicians are.
Also dislike Fiona Bruce who Portillo brushed aside with ease each time she tried to butt in. |
Portillo looks good because he is no longer a politician. All politicians look bad because, by and large, they cannot say what they think. Notwithstanding the fact that most are awful anyway. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:59 - Feb 21 with 1326 views | WeWereZombies |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:53 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
Well yes I think it would be very hard to find someone who thinks the BBC is specifically biased in favour of the Liberal Democrats.
Whether it being liberal is a good thing is neither here nor there, it has a liberal bias, and although, as I was careful to point out that liberal and left-wing are not interchangeable (there was no bias in favour of Corbyn for example), there is an overlap, so I would say yes the BBC has a left-wing bias. |
Might have been true a few years back but nowadays I think it is veering right, in common with most media. Whether by manipulation from external forces, a more paranoid society or the effect of future difficulties relating to climate and population increase (or combinations of all three) I cannot say for certain but there has been a definite shift since the referendum in June 2016. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:59 - Feb 21 with 1319 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:57 - Feb 21 by Mullet |
You're confusing educated with liberal and left-wing, and making the same hamfisted "Overton window" argument that Brexiteers and far right types make without irony whenever given a platform on the BBC.
There's certainly an argument that the original ethos of the BBC to inform, educate and entertain squeezed out the bigoted, but certainly not the conservative. How that's changed, and how it's perceived nearly a hundred years later is telling. |
I will look up Overton window and get back to you. I presume it is not a reference to our young goalkeeper from 1978. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:02 - Feb 21 with 1311 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:59 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
Might have been true a few years back but nowadays I think it is veering right, in common with most media. Whether by manipulation from external forces, a more paranoid society or the effect of future difficulties relating to climate and population increase (or combinations of all three) I cannot say for certain but there has been a definite shift since the referendum in June 2016. |
Possibly - the people i quoted were from the earlier part of the last decade. I didn't see any love for Corbyn from the BBC, but they would fawn over another Blair. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:02 - Feb 21 with 1307 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:59 - Feb 21 by WeWereZombies |
Might have been true a few years back but nowadays I think it is veering right, in common with most media. Whether by manipulation from external forces, a more paranoid society or the effect of future difficulties relating to climate and population increase (or combinations of all three) I cannot say for certain but there has been a definite shift since the referendum in June 2016. |
As a man whose politics are all over the place I would say it's still left leaning by and large, not that it bothers me much because it is countered by the press.
I tend not to believe much of what I see or read anyway. | |
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| Largely gave up watching QT on 15:04 - Feb 21 with 1300 views | Trequartista |
| Largely gave up watching QT on 14:55 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
The full Thompson quote: "In the BBC I joined 30 years ago there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people's personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left. The organisation did struggle then with impartiality. And journalistically, staff were quite mystified by the early years of Thatcher. Now it is a completely different generation. There is much less overt tribalism among the young journalists who work for the BBC."
Given the criticism he got for his numerous negative comments on women and transgender issues it's not really a surprise if John Humphrys is complaining about the BBC being 'left wing' by his dubious definition. |
Ah you've cancelled John Humphries! Lovely stuff. | |
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