| Is abusive chanting ok? 12:54 - Feb 21 with 10880 views | Trequartista |
i.e. non-woke standard abuse e.g. "the referee's a w*****", "you fat b*****", "you're not very good".
Please note, i think all the somethingaphobic ones are wrong and should be stamped out immediately, so don't @ me, but wondering why the standard abuse ones are ok? surely they are hurtful too, maybe more if directly personal? |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:33 - Feb 21 with 4643 views | BlueBadger |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:31 - Feb 21 by BigManBlue |
Like everything, it's contextual. Usually yes. Probably not if you're threatening bodily harm, screaming it two inches from the blokes face, or if there's a school party in front of you. |
Woah, woah, woah, let's not actually apply some thought and nuance to this now. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:33 - Feb 21 with 4640 views | BlueBadger |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:34 - Feb 21 by jayessess |
I think a lot of this is complicated by the specific social norms and context of league football. Would I call a referee a w*****r if they were reffing a Sunday League game for £20? No, the rewards are meagre for them and the sparse crowd makes it personal. Would I sing it at a professional match official, who is doing something they love and can probably disassociate themselves from being a pantomime villain for 20,000 idiots for an afternoon? Absolutely.
I guess my standard is "does this fundamentally attack anyone's humanity"? Racist and homophobic abuse absolutely does that, not just for the player concerned but also for anyone watching. It makes society a worse place. Does "fat b*****d" do that? Maybe a tiny bit? But given that 99% of footballer supporters are in worse shape than any professional footballer, I can't imagine it makes much of a mark on players or supporters. It's more absurd than anything. |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:38 - Feb 21 with 4620 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:18 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
I'm pretty sure I know what I see, it is logical to conclude that those who are exponents of it are the ones that cannot, or will not, see it. |
I don't think you really know what you're talking about or how it comes across but there you are. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:50 - Feb 21 with 4590 views | MrTown |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:20 - Feb 21 by BlueBadger |
Then why do you keep blocking people who call you thick? |
You are very boring to be fair to Chicoazul. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 16:42 - Feb 21 with 4526 views | BigManBlue |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:55 - Feb 21 by jayessess |
I used to teach English in Spain and lots of Spanish people found the range of swearing in English similarly restrictive, so maybe it's just a nuance you get over time as you learn a language?
(Spanish has a lot of very peculiar, religiously-inflected swears, like "me cago en la hostia" - I s*** on the communion wafer - which English can't really replicate) |
Interesting, I guess other cultures have a lot more of what we'd call 'oaths' as opposed to the obscenities which make up the bulk of our swearing... I for one will do my part to enlarge our repository of offensive terms and phrases, that's for sure. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 16:43 - Feb 21 with 4527 views | J2BLUE |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:03 - Feb 21 by BlueBadger |
'Woke' is the current buzzword for ignorant tosspots upset about people attempting to offer some basic human decency to anyone a bit 'different'. It's the new 'PC' or 'do-gooder'. |
Gammon is ok though right? |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:05 - Feb 21 with 4502 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 16:43 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
Gammon is ok though right? |
Similar story - was born online for a specific discourse then what would be considered 'normies' found out about it and made it horribly tedious. It's a dead meme essentially, now only used by those people not fully aware of its origins often using it as proof that white people suffer from racism. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:12 - Feb 21 with 4491 views | J2BLUE |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:05 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
Similar story - was born online for a specific discourse then what would be considered 'normies' found out about it and made it horribly tedious. It's a dead meme essentially, now only used by those people not fully aware of its origins often using it as proof that white people suffer from racism. |
I know all that. I'm asking if that is acceptable when names like 'woke' aren't. I'm just making a point. I know what happens next. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:15 - Feb 21 with 4484 views | Pecker |
No, never. |  | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:17 - Feb 21 with 4474 views | Doctor_Earman |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:58 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I don't know but I think anyone using the word 'woke' should be put in prison. |
Ok boomer. |  | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:18 - Feb 21 with 4468 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:12 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
I know all that. I'm asking if that is acceptable when names like 'woke' aren't. I'm just making a point. I know what happens next. |
They're not really comparable though are they? | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:21 - Feb 21 with 4456 views | J2BLUE |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:18 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
They're not really comparable though are they? |
His definition of woke isn't how I use it. I think it has been redefined to make it look like people are upset with people not facing discrimination.
In my view, and many others it seems, it's someone who has suddenly gone full on social justice warrior with the need to find offence around every corner to prove they are morally superior to others. Finding offence where absolutely none was intended. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:22 - Feb 21 with 4450 views | Radlett_blue |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:21 - Feb 21 by jontysnut |
Yes - if you abuse someone over their physical, racial, sexual characteristics you've already lost the argument. I watch a lot of non-league football from where the top officials have mostly come. You're within touching of distance a lino and some of the most devastating, and funniest heckling has been about their ability rather than their size or shape. I think by the time they get to the top level it's all water off a duck's back. |
A friend of mine was a referee in amateur football & he said a player once shouted at him "You're toilet, ref"! My friend booked him, saying "What on earth gives you the right to call another human being a toilet"? |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:23 - Feb 21 with 4449 views | clive_baker |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:58 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I don't know but I think anyone using the word 'woke' should be put in prison. |
See also 'remoaner' and 'snowflake'.
And in the interest of balance, 'gammon'.
Edit: I see J2 already made this observation. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 17:24]
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:25 - Feb 21 with 4435 views | J2BLUE |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:22 - Feb 21 by Radlett_blue |
A friend of mine was a referee in amateur football & he said a player once shouted at him "You're toilet, ref"! My friend booked him, saying "What on earth gives you the right to call another human being a toilet"? |
Cool story bro | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:26 - Feb 21 with 4434 views | footers |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:21 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
His definition of woke isn't how I use it. I think it has been redefined to make it look like people are upset with people not facing discrimination.
In my view, and many others it seems, it's someone who has suddenly gone full on social justice warrior with the need to find offence around every corner to prove they are morally superior to others. Finding offence where absolutely none was intended. |
All of these new-fangled phrases are equally stupid and tiresome. If you have to label someone like that instead of articulating your point properly, then it's just childish mud-slinging. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:28 - Feb 21 with 4421 views | J2BLUE |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:26 - Feb 21 by footers |
All of these new-fangled phrases are equally stupid and tiresome. If you have to label someone like that instead of articulating your point properly, then it's just childish mud-slinging. |
I can respect that opinion. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:30 - Feb 21 with 4414 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:21 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
His definition of woke isn't how I use it. I think it has been redefined to make it look like people are upset with people not facing discrimination.
In my view, and many others it seems, it's someone who has suddenly gone full on social justice warrior with the need to find offence around every corner to prove they are morally superior to others. Finding offence where absolutely none was intended. |
Yeah that's generally accurate, though to give benefit of the doubt, I think most people trying to be 'woke' are well-meaning but overthinking things rather than deliberately trying to be superior and finding offence. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:31 - Feb 21 with 4409 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:23 - Feb 21 by clive_baker |
See also 'remoaner' and 'snowflake'.
And in the interest of balance, 'gammon'.
Edit: I see J2 already made this observation. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 17:24]
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Any internet slang that makes you look a tit, basically. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:33 - Feb 21 with 4403 views | footers |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:28 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
I can respect that opinion. |
I prefer more old-timey phrases, like 'fruit' and [REDACTED]. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:37 - Feb 21 with 4389 views | Trequartista |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 17:21 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
His definition of woke isn't how I use it. I think it has been redefined to make it look like people are upset with people not facing discrimination.
In my view, and many others it seems, it's someone who has suddenly gone full on social justice warrior with the need to find offence around every corner to prove they are morally superior to others. Finding offence where absolutely none was intended. |
Your second paragraph is how I would use it too, and i would certainly not use it in defence of discrimination see here ... Is abusive chanting ok? by Trequartista 21 Feb 2020 13:52See i'm a reasonable chap and i'm not going to take offence at that, because I'm not naive, there are many people latching on to the word, and using it as a perjorative, because they use racist, homophobic etc etc language themselves. I get that.
But ... but there is a phonemenon that has a word to describe it, extreme-pc, whatever you will, adopted by the far left, so i'm afraid you'll have to pardon me while i continue to use it.
In my OP i'm using it as neither really. It was purely meant as a quick collective term for those categories which are deemed more important than anything else. I wanted to explore the conversation about although these chants are wrong and should absolutely be stamped out, why not other ones, and where do we draw the line (deliberately throwing in the mildest one possible in my last example)
Some threads opened up interesting debate (e.g. Chicoazul) others were just the usual nonsense on here. [Post edited 21 Feb 2020 17:38]
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 18:04 - Feb 21 with 4330 views | Terra_Farma |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:35 - Feb 21 by footers |
The c word can be a beautiful thing to say in the right context and with imagination. But more often than not, people just shout it repeatedly so it loses its magical effect. |
Footers - it can also be used as a term of endearment in Essex. | | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 19:38 - Feb 21 with 4293 views | Bramidan |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:26 - Feb 21 by vapour_trail |
nothing wrong with the territory but not hugely creative. |
Right I'm 67 born and bred in Chantry and then Whitehouse before moving away from Ipswich to London.
FFS grow up | | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 19:52 - Feb 21 with 4276 views | Bramidan |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 19:38 - Feb 21 by Bramidan |
Right I'm 67 born and bred in Chantry and then Whitehouse before moving away from Ipswich to London.
FFS grow up |
Just thought I have two degrees so please don't call me thick! | | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 19:59 - Feb 21 with 4261 views | vapour_trail |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 19:52 - Feb 21 by Bramidan |
Just thought I have two degrees so please don't call me thick! |
I’ll be honest brammers, you’ve totally lost me, but that might be because I’m thick. |  |
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