| Getting stopped by security in shops 09:30 - Mar 11 with 23601 views | monytowbray |
Yesterday the security guard in M&S followed me as I left the shop, blocked me leaving the door and asked me to open my bag. All I had in there was two packs of fake chicken (hardly a shoplifter's menu item) and he demanded to see a receipt I didn't have as I used self-service and never get one as waste of paper. In the end I snatched them out his hand, told him to go f*ck himself and stormed past him with my items. The payment is on my bank statement and they can check their CCTV/transations on the self checkout.
Over reaction maybe and a bit rude, but I can't think for any reason the bloke decided to search me bar the fact I had come straight from the gym in Adidas trackies and a football training shirt and *could* have looked a bit like a chav. And that annoyed me. I literally walked in, went straight to the plant-based section, grabbed what I needed, went straight to the self-check out, paid and went to leave. I didn't linger around the booze or walk around looking shady.
Makes you wonder what else they profile shoplifters on. Am I in good mind to complain? I thought they had to catch you red handed or have strong reasons to suspect you've nicked something to actually stop you? I know my reaction wasn't too savoury but honestly I'm not having some jobsworth jumped-up tw@t in a power trip job accusing me of something I've not done nor even suggested from my actions I may have done.
Sorry bit of a rant. Part of me thought I should go in today in full smart work get up and complain to make a point but honestly CBA, but would take some free M&S food for the cr@p behaviour of their security. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:01 - Mar 11 with 3749 views | GeoffSentence |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 10:24 - Mar 11 by Basuco |
I had the same jobs worth type security challenge me at Tesco once 3 cases of beer paid at a staffed checkout, she just turned and walked away after I showed my receipt, no thank you, nothing just rudely blanked me and walk away. I always take a receipt now, just in case of a repeat. |
That's not on is it. The approach is an implicit accusation of theft. They should at least thank you for co-operating in that circumstance, and an apology would be appropriate. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:06 - Mar 11 with 3742 views | DebsyAngel |
That is disgusting - (them, not your understandable reaction ). I remember about 10 years ago when on holiday in Kent and went to Maidstone for the day and had to get some things from Boots. My boyfriend at the time went to another part of the store to look at toiletries and I went and paid for my things and got a carrier bag (the days where they used to give you a bag each time). He paid for his items and we went out and as I put my sunglasses back on (it was very sunny after all), we got stopped by security whilst ambling up the road and got marched back in. It was so humiliating. We were interviewed by police FFS, and I had proof of purchase with the receipt and the actual carrier bag emblazoned with their logo. They said we had been acting suspiciously - as I was spotted putting sunglasses on when left the store. There were other things in my other bags without receipts as we had visited a small corner shop type place just to get lottery tickets and some snacks. They let us go but it ruined the rest of my holiday. |  | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:09 - Mar 11 with 3732 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 10:28 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
There’s a certain irony here to Callis complaining about being accused of stealing something and feeling wronged by this injustice. I had assumed, apologies if I’m wrong, that he previously boasting that he was happy to skip paying train fares. Your comment seems to suggest my recollection is correct.
I suppose stealing is okay as long as it’s from certain organisations that the thief feels deserves it? |
Is there an irony? I’ve already stated my stance on the private rail network. What I do there has nothing to do with that scenario.
So in conclusion, yes, law are not morals and something being the law doesn’t make it right. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:11 - Mar 11 with 3724 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:06 - Mar 11 by DebsyAngel |
That is disgusting - (them, not your understandable reaction ). I remember about 10 years ago when on holiday in Kent and went to Maidstone for the day and had to get some things from Boots. My boyfriend at the time went to another part of the store to look at toiletries and I went and paid for my things and got a carrier bag (the days where they used to give you a bag each time). He paid for his items and we went out and as I put my sunglasses back on (it was very sunny after all), we got stopped by security whilst ambling up the road and got marched back in. It was so humiliating. We were interviewed by police FFS, and I had proof of purchase with the receipt and the actual carrier bag emblazoned with their logo. They said we had been acting suspiciously - as I was spotted putting sunglasses on when left the store. There were other things in my other bags without receipts as we had visited a small corner shop type place just to get lottery tickets and some snacks. They let us go but it ruined the rest of my holiday. |
Part of the reason I also got annoyed is I was returning to home to work after I did the gym on lunch, and I was already half an hour late on my schedule so having him march me back in and faff was too much. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:13 - Mar 11 with 3716 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 10:25 - Mar 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Perhaps he used to works as a train ticket operator and recognised you. |
Next time I go in M&S the food bank will be getting a lovely donation on behalf of M&S when I pick a load of expensive stuff and put it in without paying for it. The security guard can enjoy being the guy who picks it out and puts it back in front of their customers :) | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:13 - Mar 11 with 3715 views | leitrimblue |
Have you considered forming a worldwide collective of shoplifters who could unite and take over? |  | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:14 - Mar 11 with 3712 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 10:38 - Mar 11 by MattinLondon |
Or maybe he needs that job in order to feed and clothe his family?
You seem happy to judge as long as it is you doing the judging. |
ok boomer. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:16 - Mar 11 with 3706 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:13 - Mar 11 by leitrimblue |
Have you considered forming a worldwide collective of shoplifters who could unite and take over? |
I’ve been trying to bring around the socialist uprising for years but I’m stuck in a nation where a large chunk of the population think Boris Johnson is their mate. A hopeless task until it’s too late and we’re so oppressed by class/wages/wealth we’ll all just get battered by the secret police. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:16 - Mar 11 with 3702 views | Swansea_Blue |
"*could*"?  |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:19 - Mar 11 with 3691 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:16 - Mar 11 by Swansea_Blue |
"*could*"? |
You've seen how I dress, right? How was it that called me an Emo pushing 40 recently on here?
I mean, they're wrong on both accounts but I can see how a Boomer would be easily confused by alternative subcultures or get my age 8 years wrong. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:35 - Mar 11 with 3666 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:09 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
Is there an irony? I’ve already stated my stance on the private rail network. What I do there has nothing to do with that scenario.
So in conclusion, yes, law are not morals and something being the law doesn’t make it right. |
So to sum this up, you've admitted in the past for taking something you are supposed to pay for without paying and not getting caught.
But you are equally outraged that on another occasion when you took something that you had paid for, you were stopped by someone just doing their job, who may have suspected that you took something without paying?
You have a bit of a habit of twisting the entire world and everything that happens in it to your own little agenda. You're happy to take something for nothing but don't like someone suggesting that you might have taken something for nothing on a separate occasion?
The law is the law. Generally the laws are based around what the majority of society thinks is right and wrong - not what Callis thinks should be the case. See also - consumption of meat. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:37 - Mar 11 with 3656 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:19 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
You've seen how I dress, right? How was it that called me an Emo pushing 40 recently on here?
I mean, they're wrong on both accounts but I can see how a Boomer would be easily confused by alternative subcultures or get my age 8 years wrong. |
A what? What's an Emo? | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:38 - Mar 11 with 3654 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:13 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
Next time I go in M&S the food bank will be getting a lovely donation on behalf of M&S when I pick a load of expensive stuff and put it in without paying for it. The security guard can enjoy being the guy who picks it out and puts it back in front of their customers :) |
So your reaction to someone checking that you hadn't stolen something, not even accusing you of stealing …
… is to steal.
Because if the security guard isn't aware then you've just donated food that you haven't paid for which is at least morally wrong.
I guess you're laughing at how clever you are because you've moved it and not removed it so you can't be a thief. Just an idiot.
See the pattern here? You think that you can do whatever you want as long as it is okay with your disjointed set of rules and morals, but if a security guard does the same - asking someone he thinks may have taken something - then he's vilified.
He's doing his job and you are suggesting you are going to deliberately inconvenience him, the store and potential others. But that's all okay with you because you say so.
You're not coming off well here. [Post edited 11 Mar 2020 11:39]
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:40 - Mar 11 with 3650 views | leitrimblue |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:37 - Mar 11 by Swansea_Blue |
A what? What's an Emo? |
Rod Hulls sidekick | | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:40 - Mar 11 with 3646 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:35 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
So to sum this up, you've admitted in the past for taking something you are supposed to pay for without paying and not getting caught.
But you are equally outraged that on another occasion when you took something that you had paid for, you were stopped by someone just doing their job, who may have suspected that you took something without paying?
You have a bit of a habit of twisting the entire world and everything that happens in it to your own little agenda. You're happy to take something for nothing but don't like someone suggesting that you might have taken something for nothing on a separate occasion?
The law is the law. Generally the laws are based around what the majority of society thinks is right and wrong - not what Callis thinks should be the case. See also - consumption of meat. |
I've been caught bunking trains a couple of times and paid the fine.
You're comparing scenarios where I am doing something "wrong" and a scenario discussed here where I wasn't. Which makes reading your post beyond the first sentence pointless.
I only have said habit in the eyes of people who need stick to beat me with on here or lack the ability to think. OH THOSE POOR SHAREHOLDERS ROBBING US BLIND FOR TRAVEL. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THEIR MILLION POUND BONUSES!?
As for the meat argument, tell me how that pans out for you in 50 years.
Nice bit of whattaboutery though. 5/10, try harder next time. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:41 - Mar 11 with 3644 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:11 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
Part of the reason I also got annoyed is I was returning to home to work after I did the gym on lunch, and I was already half an hour late on my schedule so having him march me back in and faff was too much. |
So he's also now at fault because you were running late?
Maybe shoplifters could wear badges that say 'I'm Late' or 'Socially, I'm Not Good With Confrontations' and then they could get away with all their crimes because people won't be able to challenge them.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe he saw you at the till, looked away and then saw you walking off without paying, genuinely assumed you had taken something and did his job properly? Of course not. You have to have been deliberately targeted for who you are / what you were wearing | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:41 - Mar 11 with 3640 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:38 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
So your reaction to someone checking that you hadn't stolen something, not even accusing you of stealing …
… is to steal.
Because if the security guard isn't aware then you've just donated food that you haven't paid for which is at least morally wrong.
I guess you're laughing at how clever you are because you've moved it and not removed it so you can't be a thief. Just an idiot.
See the pattern here? You think that you can do whatever you want as long as it is okay with your disjointed set of rules and morals, but if a security guard does the same - asking someone he thinks may have taken something - then he's vilified.
He's doing his job and you are suggesting you are going to deliberately inconvenience him, the store and potential others. But that's all okay with you because you say so.
You're not coming off well here. [Post edited 11 Mar 2020 11:39]
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How many millionaire's c0cks have you managed to suck this week? | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:43 - Mar 11 with 3631 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:41 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
So he's also now at fault because you were running late?
Maybe shoplifters could wear badges that say 'I'm Late' or 'Socially, I'm Not Good With Confrontations' and then they could get away with all their crimes because people won't be able to challenge them.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe he saw you at the till, looked away and then saw you walking off without paying, genuinely assumed you had taken something and did his job properly? Of course not. You have to have been deliberately targeted for who you are / what you were wearing |
When did I say that?
Also, what decade from the past did you time travel from? It must he the 90s at the latest with that level of understanding of mental health.
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:45 - Mar 11 with 3620 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:40 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
I've been caught bunking trains a couple of times and paid the fine.
You're comparing scenarios where I am doing something "wrong" and a scenario discussed here where I wasn't. Which makes reading your post beyond the first sentence pointless.
I only have said habit in the eyes of people who need stick to beat me with on here or lack the ability to think. OH THOSE POOR SHAREHOLDERS ROBBING US BLIND FOR TRAVEL. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THEIR MILLION POUND BONUSES!?
As for the meat argument, tell me how that pans out for you in 50 years.
Nice bit of whattaboutery though. 5/10, try harder next time. |
But this sums you up as a person, something you corroborate every time you post anything.
You are happy to avoid paying a train fare because in your eyes it's hurting the big fat rich guy at the top of the ladder. So in your eyes it's okay for you to do it, despite the fact that it is breaking the law and it makes you a criminal. Whether you like it or not.
But as soon as someone challenges you in a situation where they were potentially just doing their job, you have to tell the world, play the victim and seek sympathy.
Massive double standards and just embarrassing. If I'd admitted to stealing something, I certainly wouldn't be making a big public fuss of someone enquiring if I'd stolen something.
You even use inverted commas for 'wrong' suggesting that getting on a train for free, when the rest of society pays isn't actually wrong. But yet you've posted on here before about benefit scroungers and people taking something for nothing! Brilliant. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:47 - Mar 11 with 3613 views | Swailsey |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:41 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
How many millionaire's c0cks have you managed to suck this week? |
To be fair though dude, M&S is equally a large company which surely is just as corporate? There's no moral high ground stealing from National Rail but not from other places.
Personal moral compasses are fine and completely subjective, but whether the case or not, your's are coming off as very inconsistent in this thread. Which again is fine, but you can't expect everyone else to go along with it.
I'm a pretty liberal person, but even I am struggling with "it's fine to steal on trains" but "it's outrageous I was accused of stealing something".
Both are pretty crappy things, which happen. Some people are just jobsworths, or it may be that he genuinely thought you had stolen something. It happens. Move on. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:47 - Mar 11 with 3609 views | Blue_Order |
I can see his thinking to be fair, you do look like a bit of an undesirable. |  | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:48 - Mar 11 with 3606 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:45 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
But this sums you up as a person, something you corroborate every time you post anything.
You are happy to avoid paying a train fare because in your eyes it's hurting the big fat rich guy at the top of the ladder. So in your eyes it's okay for you to do it, despite the fact that it is breaking the law and it makes you a criminal. Whether you like it or not.
But as soon as someone challenges you in a situation where they were potentially just doing their job, you have to tell the world, play the victim and seek sympathy.
Massive double standards and just embarrassing. If I'd admitted to stealing something, I certainly wouldn't be making a big public fuss of someone enquiring if I'd stolen something.
You even use inverted commas for 'wrong' suggesting that getting on a train for free, when the rest of society pays isn't actually wrong. But yet you've posted on here before about benefit scroungers and people taking something for nothing! Brilliant. |
"But yet you've posted on here before about benefit scroungers and people taking something for nothing! Brilliant."
I've never done that, which pretty much sums up you have no idea about my views or what I believe. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:49 - Mar 11 with 3604 views | MattinLondon |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:38 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
So your reaction to someone checking that you hadn't stolen something, not even accusing you of stealing …
… is to steal.
Because if the security guard isn't aware then you've just donated food that you haven't paid for which is at least morally wrong.
I guess you're laughing at how clever you are because you've moved it and not removed it so you can't be a thief. Just an idiot.
See the pattern here? You think that you can do whatever you want as long as it is okay with your disjointed set of rules and morals, but if a security guard does the same - asking someone he thinks may have taken something - then he's vilified.
He's doing his job and you are suggesting you are going to deliberately inconvenience him, the store and potential others. But that's all okay with you because you say so.
You're not coming off well here. [Post edited 11 Mar 2020 11:39]
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Callis Law innit. If certain morality does not apply to his way of thinking then he’ll discard it and complain but will still judges regardless. But if others ignore something which he holds dear then that’s totally wrong. |  | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:49 - Mar 11 with 3603 views | footers |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:47 - Mar 11 by Blue_Order |
I can see his thinking to be fair, you do look like a bit of an undesirable. |
It was the massive bulge in his trousers that aroused suspicion. Should be thanking him, really. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:49 - Mar 11 with 3602 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 11:43 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
When did I say that?
Also, what decade from the past did you time travel from? It must he the 90s at the latest with that level of understanding of mental health.
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I have a perfectly reasonable grasp of mental health thank you.
There are people that struggle with all kinds of issues and it's unfortunate that you suffer with issues that were triggered by this encounter but that's not malicious on the part of the security guard doing his job is it.
He had no reason to believe you had any kind of issue likely to be exacerbated. He was asking you a question in the duty of his job and because of your issues, which are unfortunate and unknown to him, it's caused you stress and discomfort amongst other things.
What's the alternative here then? Tell security guards not to confront anyone that may have been stealing because they may have an adverse reaction to being confronted?
I don't doubt you have mental health issues and you've spoken about them openly, but I also don't agree that these remove all ability to be self-aware, even if this is hindered by your condition.
It comes across as you hiding behind these issues to excuse any kind of behaviour that you deem appropriate, rather than being genuinely unaware due to the issues. | |
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