| Getting stopped by security in shops 09:30 - Mar 11 with 23619 views | monytowbray |
Yesterday the security guard in M&S followed me as I left the shop, blocked me leaving the door and asked me to open my bag. All I had in there was two packs of fake chicken (hardly a shoplifter's menu item) and he demanded to see a receipt I didn't have as I used self-service and never get one as waste of paper. In the end I snatched them out his hand, told him to go f*ck himself and stormed past him with my items. The payment is on my bank statement and they can check their CCTV/transations on the self checkout.
Over reaction maybe and a bit rude, but I can't think for any reason the bloke decided to search me bar the fact I had come straight from the gym in Adidas trackies and a football training shirt and *could* have looked a bit like a chav. And that annoyed me. I literally walked in, went straight to the plant-based section, grabbed what I needed, went straight to the self-check out, paid and went to leave. I didn't linger around the booze or walk around looking shady.
Makes you wonder what else they profile shoplifters on. Am I in good mind to complain? I thought they had to catch you red handed or have strong reasons to suspect you've nicked something to actually stop you? I know my reaction wasn't too savoury but honestly I'm not having some jobsworth jumped-up tw@t in a power trip job accusing me of something I've not done nor even suggested from my actions I may have done.
Sorry bit of a rant. Part of me thought I should go in today in full smart work get up and complain to make a point but honestly CBA, but would take some free M&S food for the cr@p behaviour of their security. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:47 - Mar 11 with 6266 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:43 - Mar 11 by Swailsey |
I know I said I was out but f-it...
It's the way you respond. You do adopt a 'holier-than-thou' attitude towards a lot of things.
I know it can (stress: CAN) go hand-in-hand with the vegan/punk/XXX scene - there are others who move in similar circles/have same ideals too - (as well as being a result of having to justify yourself to others, which I get) but even if you perceive someone to have wronged you, unless they are being openly an asshole, is it really worth your time?
Surely there are bigger things to worry about and other things to occupy your time - like many of the good causes you rally against.
I know you do get targeted at times on here, but you also respond to pretty much everyone in the same aggressive, antagonistic manner. Hell, it gets my back up at times and I'm often in agreement with you!
Ultimately, if you're happy being you (and why shouldn't you be), then that's great - you be you. But if you're going to be so open about your causes, views, struggles and general disliking of a lot of things that people may do as standard (eat meat, work for a corporation, pay train charges), then you must learn to expect push-back on it.
Not everyone is as well-versed in the nuances of mental health and vegan life. Not everyone knows how to address these things. Most people are just trying to do their best and survive in a world that is increasingly sh*t. There are very few fundamentally bad people, compared to those who are just 'existing'
Take the moral high ground. There's no shame in just walking away is there? |
I expect push back, but I also expect people to take on board what I say and offer counter balance rather than going off on some kind of personal rant when I disagree.
That’s the part that bores me. If this thread was I GOT CAUGHT STEALING AND NOW IM BOTHERED then raising my attitudes towards other things may be correct. But this was a thread on theft and profiling in a specific incident. The two weren’t related and stating that was enough to send WTWITFC off on one at me.
I am very strong minded in my views but my views are a constant evolution. I don’t care if people disagree but I at least expect some standard of response. Perhaps you are right and I should just ignore people though, I’ll give you that. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:47 - Mar 11 with 6264 views | clive_baker |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:46 - Mar 11 by lowhouseblue |
it's definitely grey - just looked out of the window. |
I'm sure it is over Portman Road. I think that's whats known as pathetic fallacy. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:50 - Mar 11 with 6248 views | footers |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:47 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
I expect push back, but I also expect people to take on board what I say and offer counter balance rather than going off on some kind of personal rant when I disagree.
That’s the part that bores me. If this thread was I GOT CAUGHT STEALING AND NOW IM BOTHERED then raising my attitudes towards other things may be correct. But this was a thread on theft and profiling in a specific incident. The two weren’t related and stating that was enough to send WTWITFC off on one at me.
I am very strong minded in my views but my views are a constant evolution. I don’t care if people disagree but I at least expect some standard of response. Perhaps you are right and I should just ignore people though, I’ll give you that. |
Perhaps try framing your posts with a less personal focus if that's what you want to achieve. Little intro story/background on why this is pertinent to you atm, but then expand on the profiling of shoppers more generally so the thread doesn't become all about you and instead about the subject at hand. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:51 - Mar 11 with 6238 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:50 - Mar 11 by footers |
Perhaps try framing your posts with a less personal focus if that's what you want to achieve. Little intro story/background on why this is pertinent to you atm, but then expand on the profiling of shoppers more generally so the thread doesn't become all about you and instead about the subject at hand. |
Considering it was a thread originally about an incident that happened to me yesterday and asking if it's worth complaining I don't think I can be blamed for sending it south. Unless I add a massive disclaimer to my signature?! | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:55 - Mar 11 with 6222 views | Lord_Lucan |
I have to be honest here, I have a poor record with all things authority but in this instance I would have politely dealt with the matter.
The blokes job is to monitor security in the store, why can't he be allowed to question you? |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:00 - Mar 11 with 6201 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:55 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
I have to be honest here, I have a poor record with all things authority but in this instance I would have politely dealt with the matter.
The blokes job is to monitor security in the store, why can't he be allowed to question you? |
He didn’t question me though, he took two products off me and accused me of theft after I’d spent 2 minutes tops in the shop including queueing to pay. That’s my main issue, I did nothing to even raise suspicion. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:05 - Mar 11 with 6189 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:00 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
He didn’t question me though, he took two products off me and accused me of theft after I’d spent 2 minutes tops in the shop including queueing to pay. That’s my main issue, I did nothing to even raise suspicion. |
Well I haven't read the thread, if I get time I will. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:09 - Mar 11 with 6170 views | GaryCooper |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:50 - Mar 11 by footers |
Perhaps try framing your posts with a less personal focus if that's what you want to achieve. Little intro story/background on why this is pertinent to you atm, but then expand on the profiling of shoppers more generally so the thread doesn't become all about you and instead about the subject at hand. |
'so the thread doesn't become all about you'
I strongly believe that the point is being missed here. |  | | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:09 - Mar 11 with 6177 views | Pendejo |
That's the problem with the no receipt option.
The other day I bought my wife some flowers and a cake, didn't need a bag and unthinkingly hit the no receipt button, then walked past the security guard at the door feeling guilty and wishing I had a bag and a receipt. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:20 - Mar 11 with 6152 views | jeera |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:09 - Mar 11 by Pendejo |
That's the problem with the no receipt option.
The other day I bought my wife some flowers and a cake, didn't need a bag and unthinkingly hit the no receipt button, then walked past the security guard at the door feeling guilty and wishing I had a bag and a receipt. |
I was saying the same thing on here earlier, (not that I bought your wife anything - I'm not admitting that), but it does feel wrong walking out with no proof.
I can sympathise with Callis there. These measures are introduced and we think we're doing the right thing by complying, then the next thing we know, we're slammed on the ground with a knee in the small of our back and our halloumi wrap skidding across the floor. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:25 - Mar 11 with 6141 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:20 - Mar 11 by jeera |
I was saying the same thing on here earlier, (not that I bought your wife anything - I'm not admitting that), but it does feel wrong walking out with no proof.
I can sympathise with Callis there. These measures are introduced and we think we're doing the right thing by complying, then the next thing we know, we're slammed on the ground with a knee in the small of our back and our halloumi wrap skidding across the floor. |
Are you accusing me of secretly eating cheese?!
But you are right. The whole “if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about” argument can soon become blurred when the rule is applied. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:32 - Mar 11 with 6125 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:09 - Mar 11 by Pendejo |
That's the problem with the no receipt option.
The other day I bought my wife some flowers and a cake, didn't need a bag and unthinkingly hit the no receipt button, then walked past the security guard at the door feeling guilty and wishing I had a bag and a receipt. |
I can't see why anyone would choose not to take a receipt with such purposes, not only for the erratic scanners that go mental for no reason, but in case there's a fault or issue with something you've bought and would need a refund for.
After all, I am sure all the people who shoplift and steal probably proclaim that they've paid and didn't get a receipt. You can't really train the security guards to determine who has an honest face.
I've been stopped numerous times, so has my wife, so has my dad and so has the old lady I life next door to. Nothing a quick flash of the receipt didn't sort out but I can imagine that without a receipt it would have been a pain in the backside to resolve and inevitably you must seem like another BS merchant to start with. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:33 - Mar 11 with 6118 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:32 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I can't see why anyone would choose not to take a receipt with such purposes, not only for the erratic scanners that go mental for no reason, but in case there's a fault or issue with something you've bought and would need a refund for.
After all, I am sure all the people who shoplift and steal probably proclaim that they've paid and didn't get a receipt. You can't really train the security guards to determine who has an honest face.
I've been stopped numerous times, so has my wife, so has my dad and so has the old lady I life next door to. Nothing a quick flash of the receipt didn't sort out but I can imagine that without a receipt it would have been a pain in the backside to resolve and inevitably you must seem like another BS merchant to start with. |
A lot of people are more environmentally minded RE: receipts these days though. Unless it's for something you may need to return I never bother with one. Particularly now on self scan as they encourage you not to waste paper. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:40 - Mar 11 with 6100 views | jeera |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:32 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I can't see why anyone would choose not to take a receipt with such purposes, not only for the erratic scanners that go mental for no reason, but in case there's a fault or issue with something you've bought and would need a refund for.
After all, I am sure all the people who shoplift and steal probably proclaim that they've paid and didn't get a receipt. You can't really train the security guards to determine who has an honest face.
I've been stopped numerous times, so has my wife, so has my dad and so has the old lady I life next door to. Nothing a quick flash of the receipt didn't sort out but I can imagine that without a receipt it would have been a pain in the backside to resolve and inevitably you must seem like another BS merchant to start with. |
Again, got to side with Callis on this bit at least.
Less paper has to be a good thing, but if these places are going to encourage that then they need to come up with a system that backs it up and doesn't cause unnecessary embarrassment for them and the punters.
You don't need a receipt for a sandwich - there's not a great deal going to go wrong with that.
Sure, if you're buying a toaster or printer or something, otherwise no receipt is a good idea but poorly implemented. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:47 - Mar 11 with 6082 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:40 - Mar 11 by jeera |
Again, got to side with Callis on this bit at least.
Less paper has to be a good thing, but if these places are going to encourage that then they need to come up with a system that backs it up and doesn't cause unnecessary embarrassment for them and the punters.
You don't need a receipt for a sandwich - there's not a great deal going to go wrong with that.
Sure, if you're buying a toaster or printer or something, otherwise no receipt is a good idea but poorly implemented. |
But it's all part of the 1% b*ggering it up for the rest of us - and in turn the environment.
You would imagine the number of people taking back a half eaten sandwich to Tesco and claiming the bread was stale wouldn't need a receipt. But some businesses will refuse to reimburse you without one.
Likewise, nobody should be stealing a sandwich and if you are stopped without a receipt then 99% of those people would have paid for it.
But as long as people do steal them and try and return items to shops that they haven't bought, there will be a necessity to have proof of purchase and that's the receipt. All well and good if you've paid on card, but if it's cash then you're out of luck.
In 20 years we will all pay for everything with our phones, cash will be redundant and you'll have all the evidence you need there. Until then there is no ideal solution, just a load that could be improved upon I guess.
Going back to the original point somewhat I'm not bothered about profiling to be honest. The alarm once went off when I was walking out of the store alongside a doddery old pensioner. Guess who they targeted? I got asked to show a receipt while he wandered off.
As I was being dealt with he wandered back realising he'd forgot to pay. In that moment I'd have focused on the person most likely to have been the culprit. We all make judgements based on probabilities. You cannot not do so.
We all sit here every day judging Lambert without knowing 75% of what is going on at the club. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:52 - Mar 11 with 6070 views | monytowbray |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:47 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
But it's all part of the 1% b*ggering it up for the rest of us - and in turn the environment.
You would imagine the number of people taking back a half eaten sandwich to Tesco and claiming the bread was stale wouldn't need a receipt. But some businesses will refuse to reimburse you without one.
Likewise, nobody should be stealing a sandwich and if you are stopped without a receipt then 99% of those people would have paid for it.
But as long as people do steal them and try and return items to shops that they haven't bought, there will be a necessity to have proof of purchase and that's the receipt. All well and good if you've paid on card, but if it's cash then you're out of luck.
In 20 years we will all pay for everything with our phones, cash will be redundant and you'll have all the evidence you need there. Until then there is no ideal solution, just a load that could be improved upon I guess.
Going back to the original point somewhat I'm not bothered about profiling to be honest. The alarm once went off when I was walking out of the store alongside a doddery old pensioner. Guess who they targeted? I got asked to show a receipt while he wandered off.
As I was being dealt with he wandered back realising he'd forgot to pay. In that moment I'd have focused on the person most likely to have been the culprit. We all make judgements based on probabilities. You cannot not do so.
We all sit here every day judging Lambert without knowing 75% of what is going on at the club. |
If an alarm goes off that's fair play to stop someone IMO as it's a clear suggestion someone may have stopped someone. I was stopped before I even got through the door.
As for profiling, there's a bigger picture you need to look at as to why profiling would be a bad thing. If wearing trackies is enough reason to be stopped (which in the OP was 99% likely the case) then what else is the security guard profiling people on? | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:54 - Mar 11 with 6062 views | jeera |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:47 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
But it's all part of the 1% b*ggering it up for the rest of us - and in turn the environment.
You would imagine the number of people taking back a half eaten sandwich to Tesco and claiming the bread was stale wouldn't need a receipt. But some businesses will refuse to reimburse you without one.
Likewise, nobody should be stealing a sandwich and if you are stopped without a receipt then 99% of those people would have paid for it.
But as long as people do steal them and try and return items to shops that they haven't bought, there will be a necessity to have proof of purchase and that's the receipt. All well and good if you've paid on card, but if it's cash then you're out of luck.
In 20 years we will all pay for everything with our phones, cash will be redundant and you'll have all the evidence you need there. Until then there is no ideal solution, just a load that could be improved upon I guess.
Going back to the original point somewhat I'm not bothered about profiling to be honest. The alarm once went off when I was walking out of the store alongside a doddery old pensioner. Guess who they targeted? I got asked to show a receipt while he wandered off.
As I was being dealt with he wandered back realising he'd forgot to pay. In that moment I'd have focused on the person most likely to have been the culprit. We all make judgements based on probabilities. You cannot not do so.
We all sit here every day judging Lambert without knowing 75% of what is going on at the club. |
I think you may be confusing me with someone who introduced the idea rather than just a customer who is happy to go along with it.
I don't make these decisions.
I do like cutting down on resources where possible though. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:00 - Mar 11 with 6052 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 14:52 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
If an alarm goes off that's fair play to stop someone IMO as it's a clear suggestion someone may have stopped someone. I was stopped before I even got through the door.
As for profiling, there's a bigger picture you need to look at as to why profiling would be a bad thing. If wearing trackies is enough reason to be stopped (which in the OP was 99% likely the case) then what else is the security guard profiling people on? |
With wishing to get into another debate, you have no evidence that you've been profiled or that it was for what you were wearing.
The security guard may have seen you at the till, looked away, thought he saw you not paying and approached you.
There may be a known shoplifter who bears a resemblance to you.
They may have already had a theft earlier that day and the security guard was being hyper vigilant.
There may have been someone fitting the same clothing description acting suspicious earlier.
Someone you know may have told him you were shoplifting as a joke or because they aren't fond of you.
You've made an assumption that they have stopped you because you looked like a chav. You said it in the OP. This may be completely incorrect and may be a coincidence because of an assumption made on the times you've not been stopped whilst looking smarter.
I would also bet that 90% of the shoplifting that goes on are by people that are desperate for food / money and therefore far less likely to be well turned out. Whether we like it or not, if this guard is on his last warning for having missed several thefts and he's got mouths to feed and the last few thieves were dressed a certain way, it's human nature to be more alert around someone else like that.
Again, you're making an assumption about another human being that he profiled you and an insinuation that he may profile people on whole other reasons (and I dare not speculate on what I interpret that as).
It could have been a coincidence, based in good faith or one of 50 random checks he did that day. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:01 - Mar 11 with 6046 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 13:31 - Mar 11 by monytowbray |
How? You've not really addressed anything I've said. |
My suggestion was simple.
As far as I’m concerned nothing you said in your reply deflects from that. | | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:25 - Mar 11 with 6010 views | J2BLUE |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:00 - Mar 11 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
With wishing to get into another debate, you have no evidence that you've been profiled or that it was for what you were wearing.
The security guard may have seen you at the till, looked away, thought he saw you not paying and approached you.
There may be a known shoplifter who bears a resemblance to you.
They may have already had a theft earlier that day and the security guard was being hyper vigilant.
There may have been someone fitting the same clothing description acting suspicious earlier.
Someone you know may have told him you were shoplifting as a joke or because they aren't fond of you.
You've made an assumption that they have stopped you because you looked like a chav. You said it in the OP. This may be completely incorrect and may be a coincidence because of an assumption made on the times you've not been stopped whilst looking smarter.
I would also bet that 90% of the shoplifting that goes on are by people that are desperate for food / money and therefore far less likely to be well turned out. Whether we like it or not, if this guard is on his last warning for having missed several thefts and he's got mouths to feed and the last few thieves were dressed a certain way, it's human nature to be more alert around someone else like that.
Again, you're making an assumption about another human being that he profiled you and an insinuation that he may profile people on whole other reasons (and I dare not speculate on what I interpret that as).
It could have been a coincidence, based in good faith or one of 50 random checks he did that day. |
The machines should make a receipt mandatory. If you go in Sainsburys where the self service tills are a fair way away from the door you aren't asked if you want a receipt. You just get one. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:37 - Mar 11 with 5982 views | longtimefan |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:25 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
The machines should make a receipt mandatory. If you go in Sainsburys where the self service tills are a fair way away from the door you aren't asked if you want a receipt. You just get one. |
Im amazed at how many people just leave the receipts at the self service scanners in my local Tescos. I'd never contemplate leaving the store without one, especially a self service scan point. | | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:41 - Mar 11 with 5973 views | Bluebell |
Perhaps that will teach everybody to keep receipts.
I assumed that when someone at a till asks you if you want a receipt it is to save paper but they usually print them off anyway and throw them into a bin if you say you don’t want them.
FWIW I always get a receipt. More often than not when I go shopping I am going to several shops that sell the same items so always make sure I have a receipt to prove the items in my bag have already been paid for.
On saying that I have never been stopped or accused of shoplifting but would have a receipt if questioned. |  | | |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:53 - Mar 11 with 5937 views | jeera |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:25 - Mar 11 by J2BLUE |
The machines should make a receipt mandatory. If you go in Sainsburys where the self service tills are a fair way away from the door you aren't asked if you want a receipt. You just get one. |
I like to live a bit dangerously from time to time.
In fact, when I walk past security with my meal deal I like to look at security in the eye with a daring look.
I don't really. I sweat anxiously all the way to the car and still check the rear view mirror all the way down the road. | |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 18:12 - Mar 11 with 5860 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:41 - Mar 11 by Bluebell |
Perhaps that will teach everybody to keep receipts.
I assumed that when someone at a till asks you if you want a receipt it is to save paper but they usually print them off anyway and throw them into a bin if you say you don’t want them.
FWIW I always get a receipt. More often than not when I go shopping I am going to several shops that sell the same items so always make sure I have a receipt to prove the items in my bag have already been paid for.
On saying that I have never been stopped or accused of shoplifting but would have a receipt if questioned. |
Years ago had a visit from a police officer.as I opened the door his first words were “ I am reasonably sure this is a mistake” He then went to explain I had Been reported by Tesco for theft of fuel by driving off without paying.
I had used pay at the pump but only noticed the “sorry no receipts available at this pump notice after I had started filling up. The PC went over to Tesco, we live just across the road, and was back within 15 minutes saying they had made a mistake. My car was diesel, the fuel ‘stolen’ was petrol.
I walked over to Tesco and they were unapologetic. After a couple of email exchanges I received a full refund plus a generous supply of vouchers. Tesco received a formal warning from the Police not to waste their time in future.
Turned out the manager who looked at the video not only checked the wrong pump but the clock on the recording equipment was wrongly set. I always take any offered receipt and dispose of it myself. |  |
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| Getting stopped by security in shops on 18:18 - Mar 11 with 5851 views | J2BLUE |
| Getting stopped by security in shops on 15:53 - Mar 11 by jeera |
I like to live a bit dangerously from time to time.
In fact, when I walk past security with my meal deal I like to look at security in the eye with a daring look.
I don't really. I sweat anxiously all the way to the car and still check the rear view mirror all the way down the road. |
Agree. I almost want to flash my receipt around as if it's a police badge. | |
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