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"It is only the more comfortable in our society for whom a trip in the fresh air is a life-style choice rather than a necessary escape from real depression, pain or physical threat"
Yep, people need to get out. I am only too acutely aware of how lucky I am having a garden and easy access to the countryside.
I really would not fancy being stuck in a small flat and can't be too judgemental of those people who are and go out into their local parks, particularly as overall social distancing rules do seem to be being observed pretty well.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:14 - Apr 14 by GeoffSentence
Yep, people need to get out. I am only too acutely aware of how lucky I am having a garden and easy access to the countryside.
I really would not fancy being stuck in a small flat and can't be too judgemental of those people who are and go out into their local parks, particularly as overall social distancing rules do seem to be being observed pretty well.
You sir, are my TWTD hero of the day :-)
You talk much sense! Appalling to think that some people might be reluctant to go outside simply because of the over reactions of many (on here) to what is a sensible and much needed activity.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:28 - Apr 14 by bluelagos
You sir, are my TWTD hero of the day :-)
You talk much sense! Appalling to think that some people might be reluctant to go outside simply because of the over reactions of many (on here) to what is a sensible and much needed activity.
That's fine as long as the dangers are understood and sensible precautions taken.
A two metre circle is not a magic distance beyond which you are automatically safe. It depends upon wind direction, which way people are facing, if you are moving into someone else's exhaled breath and so on. There are studies which suggest the droplets carry much further than 2m anyway, especially if someone is breathing hard (e.g. a jogger) - or coughing.
I say this not to terrify people or to suggest they shouldn't go out at all, but as a reminder of why social distancing is important and why it is essential to practice it as much as possible for your own preservation (and that of others).
It's just a matter of thinking and being careful. And being safe.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:28 - Apr 14 by bluelagos
You sir, are my TWTD hero of the day :-)
You talk much sense! Appalling to think that some people might be reluctant to go outside simply because of the over reactions of many (on here) to what is a sensible and much needed activity.
The tabloids as well, and as usual, aren’t helping by going maniacal over every slight indiscretion. There’s plenty of idiots out there but things like using low angle shots in parks to make it look as if everyone’s right next to each other seems to be the current tactic.
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Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 10:02 - Apr 14 with 1816 views
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:55 - Apr 14 by Ftnfwest
The tabloids as well, and as usual, aren’t helping by going maniacal over every slight indiscretion. There’s plenty of idiots out there but things like using low angle shots in parks to make it look as if everyone’s right next to each other seems to be the current tactic.
Yes those busy park shots are terrible and just inflame people
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:41 - Apr 14 by Guthrum
That's fine as long as the dangers are understood and sensible precautions taken.
A two metre circle is not a magic distance beyond which you are automatically safe. It depends upon wind direction, which way people are facing, if you are moving into someone else's exhaled breath and so on. There are studies which suggest the droplets carry much further than 2m anyway, especially if someone is breathing hard (e.g. a jogger) - or coughing.
I say this not to terrify people or to suggest they shouldn't go out at all, but as a reminder of why social distancing is important and why it is essential to practice it as much as possible for your own preservation (and that of others).
It's just a matter of thinking and being careful. And being safe.
I hold my breath as long as I can when going past people, or when they go past me, even at 2m. Just seems common sense.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:41 - Apr 14 by Guthrum
That's fine as long as the dangers are understood and sensible precautions taken.
A two metre circle is not a magic distance beyond which you are automatically safe. It depends upon wind direction, which way people are facing, if you are moving into someone else's exhaled breath and so on. There are studies which suggest the droplets carry much further than 2m anyway, especially if someone is breathing hard (e.g. a jogger) - or coughing.
I say this not to terrify people or to suggest they shouldn't go out at all, but as a reminder of why social distancing is important and why it is essential to practice it as much as possible for your own preservation (and that of others).
It's just a matter of thinking and being careful. And being safe.
Yes, people do still need to be careful, but I was just saying that I can't be too judgemental of other people given that I have it so easy. I have family with me, I have a garden and have the countryside on my doorstep.
Given all that I don't think I really have the right to tut at people for going out into the sunshine in their local park when they could be cooped up in a small flat, either completely alone or with people right on top of them and the park being the only open space available to them.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:28 - Apr 14 by bluelagos
You sir, are my TWTD hero of the day :-)
You talk much sense! Appalling to think that some people might be reluctant to go outside simply because of the over reactions of many (on here) to what is a sensible and much needed activity.
People do need to get out, agreed.
I'm currently living in a flat myself but am fortunate enough to be on the outskirts of a village and go for a wander up the lane and back across a field.
The blossom is out and the birds are singing.
Everyone is allowed to do that and rightly so.
The problem the chap is talking about there though, is if enough people keep flouting the rules and taking the pee then a complete lockdown could well be implemented. That could cause serious harm for some because others refuse to listen.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 13:54 - Apr 14 by GeoffSentence
Yes, people do still need to be careful, but I was just saying that I can't be too judgemental of other people given that I have it so easy. I have family with me, I have a garden and have the countryside on my doorstep.
Given all that I don't think I really have the right to tut at people for going out into the sunshine in their local park when they could be cooped up in a small flat, either completely alone or with people right on top of them and the park being the only open space available to them.
Agree, we shouldn't be tutting over people going out. They need to for the good of their health (mental and physical). We should be making it easier to do so - e.g. making school playing fields available, which are all over most towns, even where there aren't parks.
I just meant this should be seen not as cocking a snook at authority (which is, itself, sometimes overstepping the mark at the moment), or about pushing the boundaries, but purely practically about being careful not to catch/spread Covid-19.
i'm extremely thankful not to live in a city through all of this.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 18:16 - Apr 14 with 1563 views
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 18:09 - Apr 14 by Guthrum
Agree, we shouldn't be tutting over people going out. They need to for the good of their health (mental and physical). We should be making it easier to do so - e.g. making school playing fields available, which are all over most towns, even where there aren't parks.
I just meant this should be seen not as cocking a snook at authority (which is, itself, sometimes overstepping the mark at the moment), or about pushing the boundaries, but purely practically about being careful not to catch/spread Covid-19.
Maybe sections of parks could be taped off to ensure distancing.
There is still the added issue of benches etc. Could park keepers be systematically spraying and wiping apparatus?
Is it airborne enough that regular distancing measures are inadequate when large amounts of people are within a park so that sheer numbers would spread infection even if they are spread around a large area?
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 18:10 - Apr 14 by lowhouseblue
i'm extremely thankful not to live in a city through all of this.
I always thought that when the pandemic (or biological attack / nuclear war etc) hit, I’d be long gone and living in a remote Scottish island. you wouldn’t see me for dust.
…but it’s actually ok — there are benefits to seeing people around, remembering that the world hasn’t stopped and some normality continues. In a remote village, it things might start to feel a bit 28 days later.
Having said all that, if I had a scottish island to run to and a means of getting there, I’d have probably taken it!
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 19:16 - Apr 14 by giant_stow
I always thought that when the pandemic (or biological attack / nuclear war etc) hit, I’d be long gone and living in a remote Scottish island. you wouldn’t see me for dust.
…but it’s actually ok — there are benefits to seeing people around, remembering that the world hasn’t stopped and some normality continues. In a remote village, it things might start to feel a bit 28 days later.
Having said all that, if I had a scottish island to run to and a means of getting there, I’d have probably taken it!
that's very good - it clearly works ok for you. i just think i would feel a bit claustrophobic. out here in the sticks you see neighbours from a distance and the odd cyclist a field or two away and i've become very conscious of the volume of tractors and farm machinery dashing about the place. i think i would miss being surrounded by greenery. and being where you're used to is also a very big plus - be it city or village.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 19:34 - Apr 14 with 1448 views
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 19:25 - Apr 14 by lowhouseblue
that's very good - it clearly works ok for you. i just think i would feel a bit claustrophobic. out here in the sticks you see neighbours from a distance and the odd cyclist a field or two away and i've become very conscious of the volume of tractors and farm machinery dashing about the place. i think i would miss being surrounded by greenery. and being where you're used to is also a very big plus - be it city or village.
(Might be kidding myself a bit here - half mean my last post - the country would be lovely!)
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 18:09 - Apr 14 by Guthrum
Agree, we shouldn't be tutting over people going out. They need to for the good of their health (mental and physical). We should be making it easier to do so - e.g. making school playing fields available, which are all over most towns, even where there aren't parks.
I just meant this should be seen not as cocking a snook at authority (which is, itself, sometimes overstepping the mark at the moment), or about pushing the boundaries, but purely practically about being careful not to catch/spread Covid-19.
Good idea about school playing fields (the ones that are left anyway!).
I really do feel that the Govt. (incl local Govt.) should be getting much more imaginative and proactive about this, not least to protect peoples' mental health. They could introduce rotas according to initial letters of surnames, or blocks of streets eg - whatever it takes. I'm sure there are other ideas that people could come up with.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 19:16 - Apr 14 by giant_stow
I always thought that when the pandemic (or biological attack / nuclear war etc) hit, I’d be long gone and living in a remote Scottish island. you wouldn’t see me for dust.
…but it’s actually ok — there are benefits to seeing people around, remembering that the world hasn’t stopped and some normality continues. In a remote village, it things might start to feel a bit 28 days later.
Having said all that, if I had a scottish island to run to and a means of getting there, I’d have probably taken it!
When this is all over buy a holiday home up there, keep up what you have been doing and next time you'll be able to cycle up to it.
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 18:16 - Apr 14 by jeera
Maybe sections of parks could be taped off to ensure distancing.
There is still the added issue of benches etc. Could park keepers be systematically spraying and wiping apparatus?
Is it airborne enough that regular distancing measures are inadequate when large amounts of people are within a park so that sheer numbers would spread infection even if they are spread around a large area?
All the benches are closed off by police tape in our local park.
We are lucky they are still open, most European countries closed their backs and they are only now being reopened as stage 1 of the easing of restrictions.
No, it won't accumulate in the air from a large number of people exhaling it. Reminded me of this when I read it:
SB
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Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 08:45 - Apr 15 with 1252 views
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 08:42 - Apr 15 by StokieBlue
All the benches are closed off by police tape in our local park.
We are lucky they are still open, most European countries closed their backs and they are only now being reopened as stage 1 of the easing of restrictions.
No, it won't accumulate in the air from a large number of people exhaling it. Reminded me of this when I read it:
SB
Whilst I agree that it wont accumulate in the air- it will accumulate temporarily (for minutes rather than seconds) around people gathering, panting, coughing etc.
There was a cult gathering in the US with lots of indoor singing- perfect environment for them all to get it...
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 08:45 - Apr 15 by sparks
Whilst I agree that it wont accumulate in the air- it will accumulate temporarily (for minutes rather than seconds) around people gathering, panting, coughing etc.
There was a cult gathering in the US with lots of indoor singing- perfect environment for them all to get it...
I don't think that's what he meant though. He said would it accumulate over a large area if there were enough people even if they are spread out which it won't.
Agree that in close quarters to people it could linger and a lot of joggers seem to be getting awfully close when panting past. I've seen a number of arguments now.
Some pastors have sued California to try and get services allowed again. Crazy.
SB
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Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 09:11 - Apr 15 with 1219 views
Still angry over people sitting under trees? on 08:48 - Apr 15 by StokieBlue
I don't think that's what he meant though. He said would it accumulate over a large area if there were enough people even if they are spread out which it won't.
Agree that in close quarters to people it could linger and a lot of joggers seem to be getting awfully close when panting past. I've seen a number of arguments now.
Some pastors have sued California to try and get services allowed again. Crazy.
SB
When you sit on a park bench you put yourself at risk as the last person who sat there may have left behind them some trace of the virus. You touch the bench seat, you touch your face, rub your eyes and you have it.
Don’t waste time finding ways to justify bending the rules just follow them
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