| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... 13:23 - Apr 19 with 5738 views | monytowbray |
That we’re thinking about COVID too short term.
What we’re actually seeing is the impacts of climate change kicking in and the earth’s temperature is the curve we really need to be flattening. If we go back to what normal was, we’re pretty much resigning civilisation (and possibly our species) into extinction within the next hundred years.
Seeing the global response to this pandemic globally, from long term preparation of governments, ability to act swiftly and the reaction of big business when faced with profit losses, has made me realise we’re not doing enough about a risk that will almost certainly affect my daughter in her life time. We’re already past the point of no return and it will take decades to fix it (if we even can) if we act now and hope we can mitigate some of the risks.
We’re talking food shortages, fuel rations and largely displaced chunks of the population through nothing more than luck of the draw. No one is safe. It won’t magically go away or just be something that affects someone else.
In a way I think COVID could oddly be a blessing in disguise if it’s a wake up call to planet earth. We can impact our social and economic norms right now, but can’t do a lot in 100 years time if the planet is 4 degrees hotter, but if you think the lockdown now is harsh you want to see what climate change will do.
I’ve already made changes in my life over the last few years - veganism, ditching my car, overly hot on recycling, but I personally need to be thinking about more. We all do. A large chunk of recycling doesn’t even get recycled as we don’t have facilities in the UK. We should be outraged but as a species we evidently deal with our problems by ignoring them, and we’re all guilty of it.
If we learn one thing about COVID, it’s that scientists don’t use words like EMERGENCY for a laugh and those warning us are often not taken seriously by the powers that be as it interferes with capitalism.
Let’s be realistic, we could be LITERALLY DOOMED in 100 years if we don’t get this right now.
https://www.unenvironment.org/explore-topics/climate-change/facts-about-climate-
All the best.
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:40 - Apr 19 with 1807 views | bluelagos |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:36 - Apr 19 by Guthrum |
That was already the case, even before the current situation. Tho this might concentrate minds.
The problem being the amount of money already spent and the contracts handed out. |
No doubt there will be some exit costs. Anyhow, it's a prediction, no more, based on the assumption that our government has some sense.... |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:50 - Apr 19 with 1798 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:32 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
I'll predict HS2 gets ditched pdq. We have seen / learned how to how meetings remotely. Why the need to travel up/down the country as we have been doing for meetings, for years?
Throw in the financial costs, can see HS2 being quickly dumped /delayed. |
Ditto. I can do my job from home fine. We should have been doing this already if we were actually taking climate change seriously. | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:54 - Apr 19 with 1791 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:40 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
No doubt there will be some exit costs. Anyhow, it's a prediction, no more, based on the assumption that our government has some sense.... |
It’ll go ahead for vanity reasons.
Anyone with half an idea of Johnson’s political career would probably say the same. It’ll get a nickname like “The Boris Express” too like “Boris bikes” and the failed “Boris Bridge” because cults of personality are obsessed with being associated with every aspect of progress or development.
See also; Trump delaying relief checks as they didn’t have his own name on them.
We’re literally in the mad world we swore could NEVER be allowed to happen, aren’t we? | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:55 - Apr 19 with 1789 views | JakeITFC |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 14:28 - Apr 19 by Lord_Lucan |
The only thing I can add of note to this thread is to enquire how your kebab was last night.
I understand it took three hours? |
Yeah, thought I’d be smart and get ahead of the rush by ordering at 6pm; arrived at 9:15pm and the bloke was just standing at the door holding it rather than leaving it on the doorstep as requested.
I was tempted to throw it into his face. |  | | |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:04 - Apr 19 with 1784 views | Ace_High1 |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 14:33 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
Additional: if lungs are *that* compromised that even modern ventilators aren't working there's still something called ECMO we can do.
It stands for Extra-Corporeal Membranous Oxygenation.
It's done at specialist centres(Papworth being the Eastern region centre) and involves inserting a HUGE cannula into one of the large blood vessels and directly oxygenating the blood, bypassing the lungs completely.
The lungs will have very, very minimal ventilation so that they don't completely collapse bu they're otherwise completely rested.
Starting it up requires a specialist retrieval team to come out, commandeer an operating theatre, insert the relevent lines and leads, start the process up then load the patient into an ambulance and drive like f*ck down the A14. |
ECMO..... something they always seem to use on US Medical drama's on TV! |  | | |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:21 - Apr 19 with 1773 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:14 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
Have you ever considered engaging your brain and reading what I post? I know this may be a challenge for you based on your recent history but do try for the sake of your children (assuming if I remember correctly you do have them) as the points in the OP will apply to them.
If you think society and humanity as we’ve known it for thousands of years will look remotely the same with the current projectory and lack of genuinely combative measurements you will be in for a rude awakening. Well no, actually we’ll be dead but we could certainly see the early impacts in a few decades if we live to old age. In fact there are strong scientific arguments COVID is climate change - fuelled by profit mad capitalism to use animals for profit.
Up to you really mate, I’m pretty certain I’m sat on the right side of the fence on this one. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 15:16]
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More conspiracy bs I’m afraid.
Take a look back 100 years and things looked different then, I wonder if the same doom mongers were saying similar during the Spanish flu or the Black Death or the plague?
Life, the world and the universe has always constantly changed and mankind has naturally evolved to deal with it as it will in the light of CV 19, sure some parts of life will look different as certain things become the new normal, but some of the stuff that has been spouted is pure fantasy |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:27 - Apr 19 with 1768 views | Darth_Koont |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:21 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
More conspiracy bs I’m afraid.
Take a look back 100 years and things looked different then, I wonder if the same doom mongers were saying similar during the Spanish flu or the Black Death or the plague?
Life, the world and the universe has always constantly changed and mankind has naturally evolved to deal with it as it will in the light of CV 19, sure some parts of life will look different as certain things become the new normal, but some of the stuff that has been spouted is pure fantasy |
Mankind adapts or dies based on what happens. That’s what evolution is. |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:41 - Apr 19 with 1758 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:21 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
More conspiracy bs I’m afraid.
Take a look back 100 years and things looked different then, I wonder if the same doom mongers were saying similar during the Spanish flu or the Black Death or the plague?
Life, the world and the universe has always constantly changed and mankind has naturally evolved to deal with it as it will in the light of CV 19, sure some parts of life will look different as certain things become the new normal, but some of the stuff that has been spouted is pure fantasy |
Good to know you’re a climate change denier, it saves me a lot of wasted bother reading your posts or responding to them from here on out.
You may as well update your avatar to “I’m an idiot, please ignore me”. | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:43 - Apr 19 with 1752 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:27 - Apr 19 by Darth_Koont |
Mankind adapts or dies based on what happens. That’s what evolution is. |
Yeah but we’ve made it this far despite the world changing beyond all historic recognition in the last 100 years so it’ll probably be fine.
Ely is a climate change denier is the funniest but least surprising discovery we’ve recently had on TWTD. | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 17:07 - Apr 19 with 1735 views | BlueBadger |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:04 - Apr 19 by Ace_High1 |
ECMO..... something they always seem to use on US Medical drama's on TV! |
Usually incorrectly.
See also: CPR and shocks. |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 18:50 - Apr 19 with 1696 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 16:43 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
Yeah but we’ve made it this far despite the world changing beyond all historic recognition in the last 100 years so it’ll probably be fine.
Ely is a climate change denier is the funniest but least surprising discovery we’ve recently had on TWTD. |
As opposed to being a hippy, sandal wearing loonie leftie like yourself? I do sometimes wonder if you look in the mirror and think about some of the cr@p you come out with and think “what do people think of my extreme opinions”
And yes there are climate issues in the world but until you can start to get some of the massive industrial countries like China and the US to start doing something about it, whether I take my car to the supermarket or take a plane to go on holiday is like spitting into the wind! | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:01 - Apr 19 with 1692 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 18:50 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
As opposed to being a hippy, sandal wearing loonie leftie like yourself? I do sometimes wonder if you look in the mirror and think about some of the cr@p you come out with and think “what do people think of my extreme opinions”
And yes there are climate issues in the world but until you can start to get some of the massive industrial countries like China and the US to start doing something about it, whether I take my car to the supermarket or take a plane to go on holiday is like spitting into the wind! |
A) I’m far from a hippy and I’ve not worn sandals in years other than the odd trip by the pool or the beach which is practical but rare.
B) What you think of me is none of my business. What you think of my opinions is somewhat I guess. I have full self-awareness my opinions might bother some, but at least they are independently researched from multiple sources and not picked out of a Daily Mail soundbite like yourself.
C) You literally called climate change “conspiracy BS” and now you are telling me it is real in your opinion? Which is it? Evidently you don’t think through your actual opinion through but you get a twinge in your pants every time you have a chance to insult me which leads you to hammer your keyboard with rage and little else.
D) China have done more to combat climate change than the west already, for all their faults they at least have “long term preservation of humanity” on their agenda more than us, regardless of the fact it’s still not enough.
E) I hate to break it to you, but power in numbers and behaviour changes are exactly what is needed. Hence why you are likely sat at home right now and have been for 3 weeks, whilst stating those who aren’t taking responsibility for their own actions and increasing the risk factor for all of us are rightly selfish short sighted morons. Leading by example is always needed.
This episode of “Cognitive Dissonance” was brought to you by the letters E, L and Y. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:04]
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:13 - Apr 19 with 1676 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:01 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
A) I’m far from a hippy and I’ve not worn sandals in years other than the odd trip by the pool or the beach which is practical but rare.
B) What you think of me is none of my business. What you think of my opinions is somewhat I guess. I have full self-awareness my opinions might bother some, but at least they are independently researched from multiple sources and not picked out of a Daily Mail soundbite like yourself.
C) You literally called climate change “conspiracy BS” and now you are telling me it is real in your opinion? Which is it? Evidently you don’t think through your actual opinion through but you get a twinge in your pants every time you have a chance to insult me which leads you to hammer your keyboard with rage and little else.
D) China have done more to combat climate change than the west already, for all their faults they at least have “long term preservation of humanity” on their agenda more than us, regardless of the fact it’s still not enough.
E) I hate to break it to you, but power in numbers and behaviour changes are exactly what is needed. Hence why you are likely sat at home right now and have been for 3 weeks, whilst stating those who aren’t taking responsibility for their own actions and increasing the risk factor for all of us are rightly selfish short sighted morons. Leading by example is always needed.
This episode of “Cognitive Dissonance” was brought to you by the letters E, L and Y. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 19:04]
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Fck me you like the sound of your own voice and opinions, my comments about BS and climate change were linked to the fact that you seem to think the whole CV19 thing is linked to climate change, whatever next are you it’s not caused by 5G masts?
As for the DM thing, not a chance, I form my own opinions based on what I see, not some weird left wing loonie sh!t that I find on “an unsubstantiated source” (your words not mine)
Power in numbers means nothing if big business and governments do something about their industry rather than burying their head in the sand.
Mankind will evolve and surge, so will planet earth.
And please don’t patronise by accrediting your B S post to me | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:16 - Apr 19 with 1652 views | brazil1982 |
I dont think humans are doomed for a good while yet, but this current situation gives some example of a society without overseas holidays(if you go by air) and shortages of consumer goods. The technology really needs to be advancing to address the environmental issues. |  | | |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:35 - Apr 19 with 1663 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:13 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
Fck me you like the sound of your own voice and opinions, my comments about BS and climate change were linked to the fact that you seem to think the whole CV19 thing is linked to climate change, whatever next are you it’s not caused by 5G masts?
As for the DM thing, not a chance, I form my own opinions based on what I see, not some weird left wing loonie sh!t that I find on “an unsubstantiated source” (your words not mine)
Power in numbers means nothing if big business and governments do something about their industry rather than burying their head in the sand.
Mankind will evolve and surge, so will planet earth.
And please don’t patronise by accrediting your B S post to me |
COVID 19 is arguably linked to climate change. There is scientific opinion on this already around the internet. I linked to an article on page one for a start. I recommend reading it.
My sources are mostly mainstream trusted news, despite your assumption I live on The Canary and The Socialist. Actually I tend to avoid those publications as even though in principle I align with their values I often find the journalism too one sided and sensationalist. If I do end up on there I am always certain to fact check their sources.
Basing your opinion on what you see is dangerous. The mind is subjective and lacks the needed expertise if it’s not an area you’re specifically versed in. Taking in opinions and researching better qualified theory is the approach you should be taking. Although if you are making all your posts here based on gut instinct it certainly shows.
I don’t think I’ve ever even used the word “unsubstantiated”, I tend to use “unverified” so that’s a boll0cks quote. Unless you mean earlier when I said “I can’t say much for the source of this article” which was in reference to the fact I’m not a regular reader of the site, but the writer has a doctorate and the theories he lays out all tie in with exactly what we are seeing, what scientists are saying and the fact we are literally now in a climate EMERGENCY.
The issue you face is a cognitive dissonance of it being someone else’s responsibility. Big business need to play their part yes, but if you keep buying their products and saying nothing they won’t change.
Climate change is not a virus outbreak or a war, all of which we have overcome in humanity. We are talking about nature literally failing us because we abused our ecosystem too much. It’s not going to magically go away. If you really believed it needed fixing you’d be cheering on Extinction Rebellion to get clear, transparent and actually worthwhile measures in place that businesses have to follow by law and the public have to follow by strong encouragement to stop the peak of rising temperatures (which is already going up). The shortsightedness of the coronavirus pandemic should be a stark warning into the threats this planet faces and how little governments act in time to protect the “normality” of money changing hands. It should worry anyone with an ounce of common sense when you then read from scientists the action we’ve taken against climate change so far it too little, too late, and only a small delay in the inevitable.
Climate change won’t wait for us to play catch up, and we could see the serious impact of it start in 30 years with population displacement and crop failure. As well as, DU DU DUUUUN, pandemics. Which is one situation we are already in off the back of capitalism encouraging the extreme exploitation of animals for money as well as moving wild creatures that haven’t previously mixed thus creating new viral infections we can’t fight immediately because they never existed before.
You can engage properly with my posts, or you can carry on being ignorant and easily pushed to rudeness because you are clearly out of your depth discussing it. Doesn’t bother me either way, when you outed yourself as a climate change denier I gave up on you then and there. You can’t fix stupid. | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:07 - Apr 19 with 1638 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 19:35 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
COVID 19 is arguably linked to climate change. There is scientific opinion on this already around the internet. I linked to an article on page one for a start. I recommend reading it.
My sources are mostly mainstream trusted news, despite your assumption I live on The Canary and The Socialist. Actually I tend to avoid those publications as even though in principle I align with their values I often find the journalism too one sided and sensationalist. If I do end up on there I am always certain to fact check their sources.
Basing your opinion on what you see is dangerous. The mind is subjective and lacks the needed expertise if it’s not an area you’re specifically versed in. Taking in opinions and researching better qualified theory is the approach you should be taking. Although if you are making all your posts here based on gut instinct it certainly shows.
I don’t think I’ve ever even used the word “unsubstantiated”, I tend to use “unverified” so that’s a boll0cks quote. Unless you mean earlier when I said “I can’t say much for the source of this article” which was in reference to the fact I’m not a regular reader of the site, but the writer has a doctorate and the theories he lays out all tie in with exactly what we are seeing, what scientists are saying and the fact we are literally now in a climate EMERGENCY.
The issue you face is a cognitive dissonance of it being someone else’s responsibility. Big business need to play their part yes, but if you keep buying their products and saying nothing they won’t change.
Climate change is not a virus outbreak or a war, all of which we have overcome in humanity. We are talking about nature literally failing us because we abused our ecosystem too much. It’s not going to magically go away. If you really believed it needed fixing you’d be cheering on Extinction Rebellion to get clear, transparent and actually worthwhile measures in place that businesses have to follow by law and the public have to follow by strong encouragement to stop the peak of rising temperatures (which is already going up). The shortsightedness of the coronavirus pandemic should be a stark warning into the threats this planet faces and how little governments act in time to protect the “normality” of money changing hands. It should worry anyone with an ounce of common sense when you then read from scientists the action we’ve taken against climate change so far it too little, too late, and only a small delay in the inevitable.
Climate change won’t wait for us to play catch up, and we could see the serious impact of it start in 30 years with population displacement and crop failure. As well as, DU DU DUUUUN, pandemics. Which is one situation we are already in off the back of capitalism encouraging the extreme exploitation of animals for money as well as moving wild creatures that haven’t previously mixed thus creating new viral infections we can’t fight immediately because they never existed before.
You can engage properly with my posts, or you can carry on being ignorant and easily pushed to rudeness because you are clearly out of your depth discussing it. Doesn’t bother me either way, when you outed yourself as a climate change denier I gave up on you then and there. You can’t fix stupid. |
“You can’t fix stupid” well there is hope for you yet!
You are so far up your own @rse it is unbelievable, you hate it when people don’t share your views and you make that quite clear. I have never said I am a climate change denier but you seem to link that and the current pandemic as one.
Apologies if I don’t spend my life reading all these articles that you obviously have the time to trawl the net for, I have a life, I suggest you get one, it can actually be quite fun!
I have never said that I base all of my posts on “gut instinct” that’s an opinion that you have (wrongly) formed.
Again someone disagrees with your readings and theories and they are wrong and must be ridiculed as “you can’t fix stupid”
Was that Spanish flu of 1918 the start of climate change or linked to it?
The problem with modern society and anyone who has a platform is that there are too many theories and opinions out there that nothing is in any way joined up, remember options are like @rseholes, everyone has one, they are not all right but are subjective and we all need to co exist alongside each other and value other people’s opinions, whether we agree with them or not.
I would get behind XR if they weren’t so intent on being full of morons who cause more destruction to property etc and serve to do no more than get people’s backs up.
Maybe engage with me a bit more and you’ll actually see I do have some opinions and thoughts on things | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:24 - Apr 19 with 1635 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:07 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
“You can’t fix stupid” well there is hope for you yet!
You are so far up your own @rse it is unbelievable, you hate it when people don’t share your views and you make that quite clear. I have never said I am a climate change denier but you seem to link that and the current pandemic as one.
Apologies if I don’t spend my life reading all these articles that you obviously have the time to trawl the net for, I have a life, I suggest you get one, it can actually be quite fun!
I have never said that I base all of my posts on “gut instinct” that’s an opinion that you have (wrongly) formed.
Again someone disagrees with your readings and theories and they are wrong and must be ridiculed as “you can’t fix stupid”
Was that Spanish flu of 1918 the start of climate change or linked to it?
The problem with modern society and anyone who has a platform is that there are too many theories and opinions out there that nothing is in any way joined up, remember options are like @rseholes, everyone has one, they are not all right but are subjective and we all need to co exist alongside each other and value other people’s opinions, whether we agree with them or not.
I would get behind XR if they weren’t so intent on being full of morons who cause more destruction to property etc and serve to do no more than get people’s backs up.
Maybe engage with me a bit more and you’ll actually see I do have some opinions and thoughts on things |
Slow down man, you’re just rage hammering the keyboard at this point.
You called the link between COVID-19 and climate change which is steeped in scientific fact “conspiracy BS”. The floor is yours to prove/justify this stance. Or you can just carry on having a meltdown and dismissing logical points as ignorance (which is hella ironic).
You’ve even admitted you haven’t got time to read the source and then made out the pursue of knowledge and understanding means I should “get a life”. Is this the point of stupidity you’re at now? I mean we are stuck inside right now anyway so it’s not a bad use of my time surely?
I can engage with facts and evidence, I can’t engage with tantrums and insults.
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:50 - Apr 19 with 1626 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:24 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
Slow down man, you’re just rage hammering the keyboard at this point.
You called the link between COVID-19 and climate change which is steeped in scientific fact “conspiracy BS”. The floor is yours to prove/justify this stance. Or you can just carry on having a meltdown and dismissing logical points as ignorance (which is hella ironic).
You’ve even admitted you haven’t got time to read the source and then made out the pursue of knowledge and understanding means I should “get a life”. Is this the point of stupidity you’re at now? I mean we are stuck inside right now anyway so it’s not a bad use of my time surely?
I can engage with facts and evidence, I can’t engage with tantrums and insults.
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So many “facts and evidence”which ones are the right ones and which ones are the wrong ones?
So many facts and evidence on how to deal with CV19 for example but each country is dealing with it differently.
I take you back to my comment, opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one.
So if there was such a thin.g as the internet 100 years ago at the time of the Spanish flu do you think there would be so many “facts and evidence”?
One fact and piece of evidence doesn’t make your narrative the right one. Facts and evidence (as a man who is fond of taking a strong political stance on things) can be manipulated to say whatever the person presenting them wants them to say.
I could argue that because only 600+ people died from CV 19 in the uk yesterday vs 850+ the day before that all the evidence points to things getting better and we are on the downward slope, we all know that isn’t true but I just quoted some “facts and evidence” did I not? Scientific fact and evidence at the start of the pandemic in the uk told us that herd immunity was the way to go, that lasted all of 2 days.
As for my comment about CV19 being linked to Climate Change being BS, I stand by that, I’d love you to tell me where the link to climate change comes from someone in Wuhan eating a bat and a virus mutating into humans comes from? The closest I can get is linked to the global spread via worldwide air travel, please excuse my ignorance on this one but I’d rather believe it’s linked to 5G masts than that fantasy
“ I can engage with facts and evidence, I can’t engage with tantrums and insults.
Your move...” says the man who has more meltdowns than the rest of the board put together but expects people to engage with him.
It wasn’t me that slung the insults about being stupid....... I believe you slung that one?
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 21:07 - Apr 19 with 1615 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 20:50 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
So many “facts and evidence”which ones are the right ones and which ones are the wrong ones?
So many facts and evidence on how to deal with CV19 for example but each country is dealing with it differently.
I take you back to my comment, opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one.
So if there was such a thin.g as the internet 100 years ago at the time of the Spanish flu do you think there would be so many “facts and evidence”?
One fact and piece of evidence doesn’t make your narrative the right one. Facts and evidence (as a man who is fond of taking a strong political stance on things) can be manipulated to say whatever the person presenting them wants them to say.
I could argue that because only 600+ people died from CV 19 in the uk yesterday vs 850+ the day before that all the evidence points to things getting better and we are on the downward slope, we all know that isn’t true but I just quoted some “facts and evidence” did I not? Scientific fact and evidence at the start of the pandemic in the uk told us that herd immunity was the way to go, that lasted all of 2 days.
As for my comment about CV19 being linked to Climate Change being BS, I stand by that, I’d love you to tell me where the link to climate change comes from someone in Wuhan eating a bat and a virus mutating into humans comes from? The closest I can get is linked to the global spread via worldwide air travel, please excuse my ignorance on this one but I’d rather believe it’s linked to 5G masts than that fantasy
“ I can engage with facts and evidence, I can’t engage with tantrums and insults.
Your move...” says the man who has more meltdowns than the rest of the board put together but expects people to engage with him.
It wasn’t me that slung the insults about being stupid....... I believe you slung that one?
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You are literally incapable of reading, aren't you?
You're talking about COVID-19 in isolation and missing the entire bigger picture. Because you've not slowed down, taken in what is written, taken in what is linked, had a thought about it, did some of your own research and then articulated those thoughts into a constructive opinion. You've even admitted that.
As for the link between climate change and COVID, I have told you exactly where the link is. I did it in the very post you replied to earlier.
"Climate change won’t wait for us to play catch up, and we could see the serious impact of it start in 30 years with population displacement and crop failure. As well as, DU DU DUUUUN, pandemics. Which is one situation we are already in off the back of capitalism encouraging the extreme exploitation of animals for money as well as moving wild creatures that haven’t previously mixed thus creating new viral infections we can’t fight immediately because they never existed before."
Furthermore, there is more detail in the article I linked mid-thread...
"At the same time, the growth of mass production of food has created large-scale farms, where massive numbers of livestock and poultry packed into megabarns. As socialist biologist Rob Wallace argues in his book Big Farms Make Big Flu, this has created the perfect environment for the mutation and emergence of new diseases such as hepatitis E, Nipah virus, Q fever, and others.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that three out of four new infectious diseases come from human-animal contact. The outbreaks of Ebola and other coronaviruses such as MERS, for instance, were triggered by a jump from animal to human in disturbed natural habitats.
In the case of COVID-19, it is suspected that the virus was transmitted to humans at a "wet market" in the city of Wuhan, where wildlife was being sold.
The mass-scale breeding of wild animals, including pangolins, civet cats, foxes, wild geese, and boar among many others is a $74bn industry in China and has been viewed as a get-rich-quick scheme by its rural population.
The origin of the virus makes it a perfect example of how the way capitalism commodifies life to turn it into profit can directly endanger human life. In this sense, the ongoing pandemic is the product of unrestrained capitalist production and consumption patterns and is very much part of the deleterious environmental changes it is causing."
You're more than welcome to provide some evidence to counterbalance this claim directly sourced from folk with more direct knowledge on the subject than the entire forum combined.. In fact I'd be very interested in reading this evidence if it exists. I don't have the answer myself on climate change, it's just something that has always concerned me, and if you can't tell from the OP it's something I've become hyper aware of from the backlash in humanity handling a small viral outbreak (in relative size vs what is likely on the horizon for us).
What I can't do however is have a sensible and informative discussion with someone who clearly has some misplaced "righteous" pre-determined animosity toward me. You're welcome to feel that way all you want - what a stranger on the internet thinks of me is none of my business or concern - but shouting things like OPINIONS ARE LIKE ARSEHOLES over and over is not productive, relevant or adding to the discussion in any way.
As for the Spanish Flu, it was a post-war epidemic spread mainly by soldiers returning to battle in a very different economy, with very different technology, in very different social settings, with very different scientific understanding at the time. We can learn from elements of it and apply it directly to COVID for sure, but as like-for-like comparisons we may as well be trying to set up an Ipswich team to the same level as SBR's side using the tactics Paul Hurst implemented.
As I said, the option to take your side of this to a sensible and informed place is on the table if you want it to be. Or you can carry on having a tantrum. I'm easy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 21:11]
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 21:51 - Apr 19 with 1597 views | Ely_Blue |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 21:07 - Apr 19 by monytowbray |
You are literally incapable of reading, aren't you?
You're talking about COVID-19 in isolation and missing the entire bigger picture. Because you've not slowed down, taken in what is written, taken in what is linked, had a thought about it, did some of your own research and then articulated those thoughts into a constructive opinion. You've even admitted that.
As for the link between climate change and COVID, I have told you exactly where the link is. I did it in the very post you replied to earlier.
"Climate change won’t wait for us to play catch up, and we could see the serious impact of it start in 30 years with population displacement and crop failure. As well as, DU DU DUUUUN, pandemics. Which is one situation we are already in off the back of capitalism encouraging the extreme exploitation of animals for money as well as moving wild creatures that haven’t previously mixed thus creating new viral infections we can’t fight immediately because they never existed before."
Furthermore, there is more detail in the article I linked mid-thread...
"At the same time, the growth of mass production of food has created large-scale farms, where massive numbers of livestock and poultry packed into megabarns. As socialist biologist Rob Wallace argues in his book Big Farms Make Big Flu, this has created the perfect environment for the mutation and emergence of new diseases such as hepatitis E, Nipah virus, Q fever, and others.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that three out of four new infectious diseases come from human-animal contact. The outbreaks of Ebola and other coronaviruses such as MERS, for instance, were triggered by a jump from animal to human in disturbed natural habitats.
In the case of COVID-19, it is suspected that the virus was transmitted to humans at a "wet market" in the city of Wuhan, where wildlife was being sold.
The mass-scale breeding of wild animals, including pangolins, civet cats, foxes, wild geese, and boar among many others is a $74bn industry in China and has been viewed as a get-rich-quick scheme by its rural population.
The origin of the virus makes it a perfect example of how the way capitalism commodifies life to turn it into profit can directly endanger human life. In this sense, the ongoing pandemic is the product of unrestrained capitalist production and consumption patterns and is very much part of the deleterious environmental changes it is causing."
You're more than welcome to provide some evidence to counterbalance this claim directly sourced from folk with more direct knowledge on the subject than the entire forum combined.. In fact I'd be very interested in reading this evidence if it exists. I don't have the answer myself on climate change, it's just something that has always concerned me, and if you can't tell from the OP it's something I've become hyper aware of from the backlash in humanity handling a small viral outbreak (in relative size vs what is likely on the horizon for us).
What I can't do however is have a sensible and informative discussion with someone who clearly has some misplaced "righteous" pre-determined animosity toward me. You're welcome to feel that way all you want - what a stranger on the internet thinks of me is none of my business or concern - but shouting things like OPINIONS ARE LIKE ARSEHOLES over and over is not productive, relevant or adding to the discussion in any way.
As for the Spanish Flu, it was a post-war epidemic spread mainly by soldiers returning to battle in a very different economy, with very different technology, in very different social settings, with very different scientific understanding at the time. We can learn from elements of it and apply it directly to COVID for sure, but as like-for-like comparisons we may as well be trying to set up an Ipswich team to the same level as SBR's side using the tactics Paul Hurst implemented.
As I said, the option to take your side of this to a sensible and informed place is on the table if you want it to be. Or you can carry on having a tantrum. I'm easy. [Post edited 19 Apr 2020 21:11]
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Again no link between capitalism, climate change and pandemics.
On one hand you tell me it’s all there in “facts and evidence” which to me means black and white.
What you have openly done is taken 2 or 3 articles and in your own words on what you are telling me to do is to form a “constructive opinion”, yet you tell me I can’t use the term opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one.
You have done exactly that, taken your own strong opinions on the climate, your open dislike of capitalism linked to intensive farming, an article on climate change and come up with 2+2+3=9 but 9 is the answer that you want it to be.
Yes capitalism has driven intensive farming, I am more than aware of some of the mutations in animals caused by intensive farming, I am more than aware that in some parts of the developing world or in developing intensive farming where there is currently little or no regulation that these things will happen, I am also aware that regulation happens and irradiates what happened in Wuhan.
I probably know more about the food industry and what the companies that work in that industry are doing to safeguard the majority of what is consumed the world over, I work for a global food and nutrition company that employs 25k+ people across the globe, but I guess my informed opinion doesn’t count on that?
I still think that the link between the 3 is very tenuous at best even if you can link the capitalism to this chance encounter that cv 19 has spread so quickly | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 22:20 - Apr 19 with 1583 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 21:51 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
Again no link between capitalism, climate change and pandemics.
On one hand you tell me it’s all there in “facts and evidence” which to me means black and white.
What you have openly done is taken 2 or 3 articles and in your own words on what you are telling me to do is to form a “constructive opinion”, yet you tell me I can’t use the term opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one.
You have done exactly that, taken your own strong opinions on the climate, your open dislike of capitalism linked to intensive farming, an article on climate change and come up with 2+2+3=9 but 9 is the answer that you want it to be.
Yes capitalism has driven intensive farming, I am more than aware of some of the mutations in animals caused by intensive farming, I am more than aware that in some parts of the developing world or in developing intensive farming where there is currently little or no regulation that these things will happen, I am also aware that regulation happens and irradiates what happened in Wuhan.
I probably know more about the food industry and what the companies that work in that industry are doing to safeguard the majority of what is consumed the world over, I work for a global food and nutrition company that employs 25k+ people across the globe, but I guess my informed opinion doesn’t count on that?
I still think that the link between the 3 is very tenuous at best even if you can link the capitalism to this chance encounter that cv 19 has spread so quickly |
What I care about is thoughts of experts based evidence that would shape what you think though. The difference is what I posted is based on evidence. Whereas you’re again giving me your gut instinct theory on why there’s no link.
Sorry but I can’t debate with someone whose best evidence is the assumption I’m cross linking unrelated global factors as some kind of agenda based bias. My suggestion would be do some Googling around the links between globalisation and climate change. Here’s a good read from an expert I’ve previously read to start you off: http://speri.dept.shef.ac.uk/2020/01/27/why-climate-change-is-globalizations-big
Your input on factory farming is welcome as someone with knowledge (I’ll give you that) but it’s just a small part of the puzzle. The question you really need to be asking is what drives intense farming. Once you get there the links should become much clearer. | |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 04:13 - Apr 20 with 1549 views | SpruceMoose |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 18:50 - Apr 19 by Ely_Blue |
As opposed to being a hippy, sandal wearing loonie leftie like yourself? I do sometimes wonder if you look in the mirror and think about some of the cr@p you come out with and think “what do people think of my extreme opinions”
And yes there are climate issues in the world but until you can start to get some of the massive industrial countries like China and the US to start doing something about it, whether I take my car to the supermarket or take a plane to go on holiday is like spitting into the wind! |
Generally, there are two types of idiot. The idiot who can't help it, and the willful idiot.
Which are you? |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 04:44 - Apr 20 with 1531 views | Ryorry |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 04:13 - Apr 20 by SpruceMoose |
Generally, there are two types of idiot. The idiot who can't help it, and the willful idiot.
Which are you? |
Third type - your second, fuelled by vested interest/s. |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 08:08 - Apr 20 with 1499 views | TractorWood |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 15:32 - Apr 19 by bluelagos |
I'll predict HS2 gets ditched pdq. We have seen / learned how to how meetings remotely. Why the need to travel up/down the country as we have been doing for meetings, for years?
Throw in the financial costs, can see HS2 being quickly dumped /delayed. |
You could even say it's decent evidence for more counter urbanisation. London mainly but other cities have incredibly expensive office space, which people flock to every day to earn money to pay their eye watering rent and mortgages if they are supremely lucky.
Why not just live somewhere that takes your fancy or that affords a comfortable living and use Zoom or Teams or whatever?
I appreciate not everyone has the ability to work from home but a really decent percentage can after this period. |  |
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| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 10:08 - Apr 20 with 1463 views | monytowbray |
| Had a bit of a depressing realisation last night... on 04:44 - Apr 20 by Ryorry |
Third type - your second, fuelled by vested interest/s. |
They ain't idiots, usually quite smart which is the worrying thing. Smart at sucking people dry anyway. | |
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