| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last 18:27 - May 3 with 4792 views | homer_123 |
6 or so weeks.
Really quite surprised to be honest!
This has, however, been completely offset by the amount of money spent on washing powder...also....utterly unbelievable! |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 19:58 - May 3 with 980 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 19:46 - May 3 by sparks |
The whole concept of personal trainers in real life- ratehr than for LA stars, is a bit weird imo. Spending that sort of money on it? Blimey. had no idea... |
Says the man who's building a pizza oven! |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:00 - May 3 with 976 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 19:58 - May 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Says the man who's building a pizza oven! |
To make pizzas and bread in. For fun- relaxing with family. Outdoors. For a physical and menal challenge- and for less money than a month of some gym obsessed numpty shouting at you.... |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:31 - May 3 with 953 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 19:54 - May 3 by sparks |
You can get people with serious qualifications and skills more cheaply.
Says much about what our society has come to value. |
Depends what you want. If I want the skills of a personal trainer (because he pushes me 100 times further than I'd go myself, and has the expertise to know what exercises to do for what muscle groups and the correct way of doing them (which a lot of people get wrong)), then that's what you pay for. Mine also makes it fun.
You're not normally daft Bully, but your line about getting people with serious qualifications and skills more cheaply is proper daft. I don't think a chartered accountant would be much used to me if I wanted to get fit.
Interesting that you think certain other skills are more serious than your health and fitness. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:34 - May 3 with 948 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:31 - May 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Depends what you want. If I want the skills of a personal trainer (because he pushes me 100 times further than I'd go myself, and has the expertise to know what exercises to do for what muscle groups and the correct way of doing them (which a lot of people get wrong)), then that's what you pay for. Mine also makes it fun.
You're not normally daft Bully, but your line about getting people with serious qualifications and skills more cheaply is proper daft. I don't think a chartered accountant would be much used to me if I wanted to get fit.
Interesting that you think certain other skills are more serious than your health and fitness. |
Whats the benefit of being pushed?
Is it basic health and fitness?
Or is it the deifferencebetween being a reasonably healthy persno, and being someone who is a gym bunny with obvious outward signs of spending a lot of time on how you look?
Is it worth more than, for instance, a good mechanic with all the skills and knowledge that entails? Is there anything a trainer can tell you that you could not easily find ont he internet? | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:37 - May 3 with 946 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 19:57 - May 3 by sparks |
I think its that people value aesthetics over skills and knowledge.
People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio.
People value " look at my abs" more than- well normal stuff. |
Lot of assumptions and generalisations there.
To say that having a PT is just about aesthetics is silly and ignorant, as is inferring they don't have skills or knowledge. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:40 - May 3 with 942 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:37 - May 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Lot of assumptions and generalisations there.
To say that having a PT is just about aesthetics is silly and ignorant, as is inferring they don't have skills or knowledge. |
if we are talking about societal trends- generalisations seem rather essential. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:40 - May 3 with 941 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:00 - May 3 by sparks |
To make pizzas and bread in. For fun- relaxing with family. Outdoors. For a physical and menal challenge- and for less money than a month of some gym obsessed numpty shouting at you.... |
I think you'll find more people go to the gym/have personal trainers than have pizza ovens built on their balcony, but I'll leave you to your offensive ignorance. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:42 - May 3 with 939 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:40 - May 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I think you'll find more people go to the gym/have personal trainers than have pizza ovens built on their balcony, but I'll leave you to your offensive ignorance. |
Or you could engage like a grown up and respond to the questions which appear tohave touched a nerve.
They were genuine questions.
I have no intention of paying a man to build a pizza oven. And as already mentioned, it will cost less than a month of "personal training".
Incidentally- "more people do x" is an argument ad populum fallacy. [Post edited 3 May 2020 20:45]
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:48 - May 3 with 930 views | Ftnfwest |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 18:43 - May 3 by sparks |
320pm personal trainer?!!!!
How the other half live... |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:51 - May 3 with 927 views | Chutney |
Me too. I commute from Ipswich to London for work, so the benefit of WFH is significant financially, but also in terms of work life balance. I get 3 hours per day back to do something more productive with.
Although my food shops are up, that's to be expected considering all of our meals are in the home, and I'm saving a fortune on snacks / coffee's etc that I don't need, but get on a lunchtime stroll etc. |  | | |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:59 - May 3 with 919 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:51 - May 3 by Chutney |
Me too. I commute from Ipswich to London for work, so the benefit of WFH is significant financially, but also in terms of work life balance. I get 3 hours per day back to do something more productive with.
Although my food shops are up, that's to be expected considering all of our meals are in the home, and I'm saving a fortune on snacks / coffee's etc that I don't need, but get on a lunchtime stroll etc. |
The extra time is nice- when we can be bothered to fill it constructively... | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 21:08 - May 3 with 912 views | Chutney |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:59 - May 3 by sparks |
The extra time is nice- when we can be bothered to fill it constructively... |
Well there is that. Also in the evenings in the office I'm pretty good at leaving on time to catch the train I want, and can always do some work on the train if I need to. What I'm not good enough yet at home is logging off stopping work, so last week in particular I found myself working until when I would usually get home anyway, giving myself no more free time.
I am making the most of the mornings though. Been going for a run or cycle before work and it's so enjoyable. Where as I'm normally on a busy train thumping past Chelmsford or something, I'm cycling around the quiet Suffolk countryside. | | | |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 21:45 - May 3 with 899 views | NthQldITFC |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 18:51 - May 3 by sparks |
Twice a week.
£40 a session.
Hope you get a reacharound. |
I'd forgotten the expression "getting a reacharound", and now you've reminded me of it I can't stop laughing, and my sides hurt quite a lot, you swine! |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:21 - May 4 with 842 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 20:42 - May 3 by sparks |
Or you could engage like a grown up and respond to the questions which appear tohave touched a nerve.
They were genuine questions.
I have no intention of paying a man to build a pizza oven. And as already mentioned, it will cost less than a month of "personal training".
Incidentally- "more people do x" is an argument ad populum fallacy. [Post edited 3 May 2020 20:45]
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I didn't engage like a grown up because they weren't grown up questions. And I had better things to do. But seeing as I'm awake early I'll have a stab at your various points.
Firstly: "more people do x" is an argument ad populum fallacy."
Erm, it was you that stated, "The whole concept of personal trainers in real life is a bit weird." Depends on your definition of weird but I'd say the more popular thing is by it's very nature the less weird thing.
"Says much about what our society has come to value".
Says much that you value pizza above health and fitness.
"I think its that people value aesthetics over skills and knowledge."
This is just absurd. In what way are people valuing one over the other? Also, why is what a personal trainer does not regarded as 'skills and knowledge'? Because they're not skills and knowledge you personally find useful? If I want help getting fit I go to a personal trainer. If I want help getting my car fixed I go to a car mechanic.
"People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio.
People value " look at my abs" more than- well normal stuff."
This is just moronic and offensive. Firstly a physiotherapist is for injuries, secondly no-one is valuing anything over anything else, and thirdly, as someone so keen on evidence, who are the people saying "hey- I have a personal trainer"? I'm not aware of anyone who does that, and the mention of it in this thread was a minor part in a discussion about money saving during lockdown. Also, what is "normal stuff"? Building an outdoor pizza oven?
"Whats the benefit of being pushed?"
As a reasonably intelligent adult I'm astonished that you don't know the benefits of being pushed, or pushing oneself, in ANY endeavour.
"Is it basic health and fitness?"
These are part of it, yes. But it's also about best practice, make best use of your time and efforts, reaping maximum rewards and gains in whatever it is you're trying to achieve with your fitness regime.
"Or...someone who is a gym bunny with obvious outward signs of spending a lot of time on how you look?"
Again, more offensive nonsense. Training twice a week, for an hour each time, does not make someone "a gym bunny" or equate to spending a lot of time on how you look. That said, feeling and looking good, being fit, toned etc. are really not things that should be sneered at. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance, with the added benefits of better health, as opposed to say being grossly overweight, unfit and in visibly poor health (not that I'm saying you're any of these things).
"Is it worth more than, for instance, a good mechanic with all the skills and knowledge that entails?"
This is a baffling point. You're comparing apples with oranges, no-one is saying apples are worth more than oranges, and both have their merits depending on the circumstances requiring either an apple or an orange. A really bizarre question.
"Is there anything a trainer can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?"
Again, astonishing. 'Is there anything a car mechanic can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?' would be my first point if it weren't equally dumb. Secondly, I've already pointed out that a PT doesn't just 'tell you' things. Again, as a reasonably intelligent adult (or so I thought), I imagined you'd know the difference between being shown how to do something in real life, being corrected in order to gain maximum benefit, being regularly motivated to do more/better... and 'reading it on the internet.' | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:42 - May 4 with 824 views | Steve_M |
Other than supermarket shopping which has gone up, but the weekly shop now includes breakfast and lunch which I usually had at work during the week (and more wine), I'm spending far less than usual at the moment.
No travel, no meals out, no pubs. I took advantage of being at home for a couple of on-line beer orders and a few other things early on but no need for anything major at the moment.
I'm doing less washing, tracksuit bottoms and t-shirts rather than trousers and shirts for work. |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:43 - May 4 with 825 views | ElephantintheRoom |
You'd have saved quite a bit of money if you did drive .... fuel is heading close to a £ around here
My greatly increased expense is bird food | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:54 - May 4 with 811 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:21 - May 4 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't engage like a grown up because they weren't grown up questions. And I had better things to do. But seeing as I'm awake early I'll have a stab at your various points.
Firstly: "more people do x" is an argument ad populum fallacy."
Erm, it was you that stated, "The whole concept of personal trainers in real life is a bit weird." Depends on your definition of weird but I'd say the more popular thing is by it's very nature the less weird thing.
"Says much about what our society has come to value".
Says much that you value pizza above health and fitness.
"I think its that people value aesthetics over skills and knowledge."
This is just absurd. In what way are people valuing one over the other? Also, why is what a personal trainer does not regarded as 'skills and knowledge'? Because they're not skills and knowledge you personally find useful? If I want help getting fit I go to a personal trainer. If I want help getting my car fixed I go to a car mechanic.
"People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio.
People value " look at my abs" more than- well normal stuff."
This is just moronic and offensive. Firstly a physiotherapist is for injuries, secondly no-one is valuing anything over anything else, and thirdly, as someone so keen on evidence, who are the people saying "hey- I have a personal trainer"? I'm not aware of anyone who does that, and the mention of it in this thread was a minor part in a discussion about money saving during lockdown. Also, what is "normal stuff"? Building an outdoor pizza oven?
"Whats the benefit of being pushed?"
As a reasonably intelligent adult I'm astonished that you don't know the benefits of being pushed, or pushing oneself, in ANY endeavour.
"Is it basic health and fitness?"
These are part of it, yes. But it's also about best practice, make best use of your time and efforts, reaping maximum rewards and gains in whatever it is you're trying to achieve with your fitness regime.
"Or...someone who is a gym bunny with obvious outward signs of spending a lot of time on how you look?"
Again, more offensive nonsense. Training twice a week, for an hour each time, does not make someone "a gym bunny" or equate to spending a lot of time on how you look. That said, feeling and looking good, being fit, toned etc. are really not things that should be sneered at. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance, with the added benefits of better health, as opposed to say being grossly overweight, unfit and in visibly poor health (not that I'm saying you're any of these things).
"Is it worth more than, for instance, a good mechanic with all the skills and knowledge that entails?"
This is a baffling point. You're comparing apples with oranges, no-one is saying apples are worth more than oranges, and both have their merits depending on the circumstances requiring either an apple or an orange. A really bizarre question.
"Is there anything a trainer can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?"
Again, astonishing. 'Is there anything a car mechanic can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?' would be my first point if it weren't equally dumb. Secondly, I've already pointed out that a PT doesn't just 'tell you' things. Again, as a reasonably intelligent adult (or so I thought), I imagined you'd know the difference between being shown how to do something in real life, being corrected in order to gain maximum benefit, being regularly motivated to do more/better... and 'reading it on the internet.' |
Wait, did you only go to the gym when you have those 2 PT sessions, or do you go off your own back on other days too?
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 08:04 - May 4 with 812 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:54 - May 4 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Wait, did you only go to the gym when you have those 2 PT sessions, or do you go off your own back on other days too?
And have you been doing anything now in lockdown? |
Only went for those 2 PT sessions, generally. Would occasionally go for a swim or to the sauna as well.
I do one complete lap of Crystal Palace park every morning (and run up and down the 'Rocky' steps twice!) but do mean to do more. Me and the missus began a bit of yoga in the mornings as well but only done that a few times. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:03 - May 4 with 782 views | hampstead_blue |
We've SORN'ed our scooby so that's saved us £100 per week in fuel.
I think our spending is way down. Only shopping twice weekly.
We have spent a good chunk on two bikes but that's in lieu of not having a summer holiday. |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:16 - May 4 with 772 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 07:21 - May 4 by BrixtonBlue |
I didn't engage like a grown up because they weren't grown up questions. And I had better things to do. But seeing as I'm awake early I'll have a stab at your various points.
Firstly: "more people do x" is an argument ad populum fallacy."
Erm, it was you that stated, "The whole concept of personal trainers in real life is a bit weird." Depends on your definition of weird but I'd say the more popular thing is by it's very nature the less weird thing.
"Says much about what our society has come to value".
Says much that you value pizza above health and fitness.
"I think its that people value aesthetics over skills and knowledge."
This is just absurd. In what way are people valuing one over the other? Also, why is what a personal trainer does not regarded as 'skills and knowledge'? Because they're not skills and knowledge you personally find useful? If I want help getting fit I go to a personal trainer. If I want help getting my car fixed I go to a car mechanic.
"People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio.
People value " look at my abs" more than- well normal stuff."
This is just moronic and offensive. Firstly a physiotherapist is for injuries, secondly no-one is valuing anything over anything else, and thirdly, as someone so keen on evidence, who are the people saying "hey- I have a personal trainer"? I'm not aware of anyone who does that, and the mention of it in this thread was a minor part in a discussion about money saving during lockdown. Also, what is "normal stuff"? Building an outdoor pizza oven?
"Whats the benefit of being pushed?"
As a reasonably intelligent adult I'm astonished that you don't know the benefits of being pushed, or pushing oneself, in ANY endeavour.
"Is it basic health and fitness?"
These are part of it, yes. But it's also about best practice, make best use of your time and efforts, reaping maximum rewards and gains in whatever it is you're trying to achieve with your fitness regime.
"Or...someone who is a gym bunny with obvious outward signs of spending a lot of time on how you look?"
Again, more offensive nonsense. Training twice a week, for an hour each time, does not make someone "a gym bunny" or equate to spending a lot of time on how you look. That said, feeling and looking good, being fit, toned etc. are really not things that should be sneered at. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in your appearance, with the added benefits of better health, as opposed to say being grossly overweight, unfit and in visibly poor health (not that I'm saying you're any of these things).
"Is it worth more than, for instance, a good mechanic with all the skills and knowledge that entails?"
This is a baffling point. You're comparing apples with oranges, no-one is saying apples are worth more than oranges, and both have their merits depending on the circumstances requiring either an apple or an orange. A really bizarre question.
"Is there anything a trainer can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?"
Again, astonishing. 'Is there anything a car mechanic can tell you that you could not easily find on the internet?' would be my first point if it weren't equally dumb. Secondly, I've already pointed out that a PT doesn't just 'tell you' things. Again, as a reasonably intelligent adult (or so I thought), I imagined you'd know the difference between being shown how to do something in real life, being corrected in order to gain maximum benefit, being regularly motivated to do more/better... and 'reading it on the internet.' |
A lenghty exercise in tapdancing around the actual points raised. As concisely as I can:
1. "Im offended" is not an argument. If you are really offended by such innocuous comments you are too think skinned.
2. Pizza ovens have nothing to do with this subject whatsoever. There is no equivalence or connection. Why you have mentioned it for a 3rd time in the thread is baffling.
3. The point is that if society can sustain a £40 hour charge for a personal trainer, which is a semi skilled job, then society is valuing that service at the same sort of rate as a physio who has a medical degree and training. Seems to be the wrong balance to me.
4. The real nub of the question is - are you paying £320 a month for baseline reasonable health, or for the aesthetics? Despite the lengthy reply, you didnt quite address that one head on. Which is interesting. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:21 - May 4 with 763 views | giant_stow |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:16 - May 4 by sparks |
A lenghty exercise in tapdancing around the actual points raised. As concisely as I can:
1. "Im offended" is not an argument. If you are really offended by such innocuous comments you are too think skinned.
2. Pizza ovens have nothing to do with this subject whatsoever. There is no equivalence or connection. Why you have mentioned it for a 3rd time in the thread is baffling.
3. The point is that if society can sustain a £40 hour charge for a personal trainer, which is a semi skilled job, then society is valuing that service at the same sort of rate as a physio who has a medical degree and training. Seems to be the wrong balance to me.
4. The real nub of the question is - are you paying £320 a month for baseline reasonable health, or for the aesthetics? Despite the lengthy reply, you didnt quite address that one head on. Which is interesting. |
Roll up, roll up!! Dolly's unstoppable object meets Bully's immovable rock in the clash of discretionary spending! |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:37 - May 4 with 744 views | footers |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:21 - May 4 by giant_stow |
Roll up, roll up!! Dolly's unstoppable object meets Bully's immovable rock in the clash of discretionary spending! |
And what about those of us who have a PT and a pizza oven? |  |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:53 - May 4 with 721 views | BrixtonBlue |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:16 - May 4 by sparks |
A lenghty exercise in tapdancing around the actual points raised. As concisely as I can:
1. "Im offended" is not an argument. If you are really offended by such innocuous comments you are too think skinned.
2. Pizza ovens have nothing to do with this subject whatsoever. There is no equivalence or connection. Why you have mentioned it for a 3rd time in the thread is baffling.
3. The point is that if society can sustain a £40 hour charge for a personal trainer, which is a semi skilled job, then society is valuing that service at the same sort of rate as a physio who has a medical degree and training. Seems to be the wrong balance to me.
4. The real nub of the question is - are you paying £320 a month for baseline reasonable health, or for the aesthetics? Despite the lengthy reply, you didnt quite address that one head on. Which is interesting. |
The irony of accusing me of tapdancing around anything when I've fully replied to every one of your points and you reply 'concisely as you can' in order to not answer several!
I'll again address every point (unlike you).
1. Where have I said "I'm offended is an argument"? Where have I even said, 'I'm offended"?
I've said some of your comments are offensive, i.e saying "People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio... and look at my abs" Which are offensive because they are belittling and no-one has said anything remotely like this. They are nothing more than pathetic cheap digs. I could also say calling someone you've never met a numpty or a gym bunny are rude and offensive.
But picking up on offensiveness not being an argument (which I never said it was) is just a deflection from answering other points.
2. The equivalence and connection is that you have claimed having a personal trainer is not normal or is indeed "weird". I merely attested that building an outdoor pizza oven is much less normal, so who are you to judge?
3. I don't know the hourly charge of a physio but you could draw the disparity conclusion from all manner of jobs. Personal trainers obviously need a high level of fitness, which requires effort and dedication, and also a high degree of knowledge in order to give a professional service. Many have professional qualifications. You seem offended that someone earns a decent wage despite having spent less time studying, in the traditional sense, than you. That person has, however, spent more time on physical effort, dedication and honest hard work. Who's to say these are less worthy pursuits than studying for an exam?
4. It's not interesting. What's interesting is that you didn't read properly and just drew the conclusion you wanted to. Why are the two, reasonable health and aesthetics, mutually exclusive? I went into lengthy detail about both the health/fitness aspect as well as feeling/looking good, being fit, toned etc. being worthy pursuits as opposed to the opposite. It you look fit and well, because you are, that in turn helps you feel good, and there is nothing wrong with that. | |
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| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 10:06 - May 4 with 706 views | sparks |
| The amount of money I've saved by not driving is quite staggering over the last on 09:53 - May 4 by BrixtonBlue |
The irony of accusing me of tapdancing around anything when I've fully replied to every one of your points and you reply 'concisely as you can' in order to not answer several!
I'll again address every point (unlike you).
1. Where have I said "I'm offended is an argument"? Where have I even said, 'I'm offended"?
I've said some of your comments are offensive, i.e saying "People value "hey- I have a personal trainer" more than a physio... and look at my abs" Which are offensive because they are belittling and no-one has said anything remotely like this. They are nothing more than pathetic cheap digs. I could also say calling someone you've never met a numpty or a gym bunny are rude and offensive.
But picking up on offensiveness not being an argument (which I never said it was) is just a deflection from answering other points.
2. The equivalence and connection is that you have claimed having a personal trainer is not normal or is indeed "weird". I merely attested that building an outdoor pizza oven is much less normal, so who are you to judge?
3. I don't know the hourly charge of a physio but you could draw the disparity conclusion from all manner of jobs. Personal trainers obviously need a high level of fitness, which requires effort and dedication, and also a high degree of knowledge in order to give a professional service. Many have professional qualifications. You seem offended that someone earns a decent wage despite having spent less time studying, in the traditional sense, than you. That person has, however, spent more time on physical effort, dedication and honest hard work. Who's to say these are less worthy pursuits than studying for an exam?
4. It's not interesting. What's interesting is that you didn't read properly and just drew the conclusion you wanted to. Why are the two, reasonable health and aesthetics, mutually exclusive? I went into lengthy detail about both the health/fitness aspect as well as feeling/looking good, being fit, toned etc. being worthy pursuits as opposed to the opposite. It you look fit and well, because you are, that in turn helps you feel good, and there is nothing wrong with that. |
Still not addressing it head on. To what extent are you paying 320 a month for the aesthetic element do you think?
The rest is full of bizarre tapdancing and I will ignore it. | |
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Still not addressing it head on. To what extent are you paying 320 a month for the aesthetic element do you think?
The rest is full of bizarre tapdancing and I will ignore it. |
Just out of interest, why does how much Dolly spends on a PT bother you? | |
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