| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? 15:51 - May 11 with 3359 views | GlasgowBlue |
Razor sharp mind with very good attention to detail. |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 17:13 - May 11 with 1646 views | BlueNomad |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 17:03 - May 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Not really he didn’t perform very well in the house when he first joined the shadow cabinet but he has improved remarkably.
He needs to avoid spending too much time nit-picking and start being a bit more constructive. |
This is the time to rip the Superman Of Capitalism to pieces. He can do it for four and a half years - Johnson and his miserable crew have made a mess of it from the start and, according to his rabid fans on here, he is doing a “good job” hence his 50% in the polls. The best thing Starmer can do is continue to question his decision making and show that 50% what a buffoon they support. [Post edited 11 May 2020 17:15]
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 18:38 - May 11 with 1555 views | NewcyBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 16:06 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve maintained since the start of this that whoever was PM, regardless of political party, would have taken the same action on advice from SAGE, the CMO and the CSA. I still maintain this.
However, the exit strategy is made for somebody like Starmer who offers far more clarity.
My fear is that the government will attempt to own the exit strategy in the same way they tried to own the post Brexit negotiations.
This exit strategy needs cross party cooperation with input from the devolved governments. |
The government appoint a CMO and CSA don’t they?
I guess it all depends on whoever would have been appointed.
It’s all just opinions and guessing now, what may have happened we will never know.
We just have to hope they get the exit strategy correct, although I foresee lockdowns happening multiple times whilst we wait for a vaccine. |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 18:58 - May 11 with 1531 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 18:38 - May 11 by NewcyBlue |
The government appoint a CMO and CSA don’t they?
I guess it all depends on whoever would have been appointed.
It’s all just opinions and guessing now, what may have happened we will never know.
We just have to hope they get the exit strategy correct, although I foresee lockdowns happening multiple times whilst we wait for a vaccine. |
No. They are externally recruited and are civil servants.
Had Jezza won the election in December then Whitty and Valance would be the CMO and CSA under his premiership.
If they are still in post after the next election, and it is won by Labour, then they would advise Kier Starmer.
Like the Cabinet Secretary, somebody in their position will serve under quite a few different PM's from across the political spectrum.
Civil servants, as facters reminds us, are completely independent. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:04 - May 11 with 1521 views | NewcyBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 18:58 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
No. They are externally recruited and are civil servants.
Had Jezza won the election in December then Whitty and Valance would be the CMO and CSA under his premiership.
If they are still in post after the next election, and it is won by Labour, then they would advise Kier Starmer.
Like the Cabinet Secretary, somebody in their position will serve under quite a few different PM's from across the political spectrum.
Civil servants, as facters reminds us, are completely independent. |
Ah cheers.
Even more galling when people question their integrity. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:06 - May 11 with 1514 views | Pecker |
I'll politely stay out of this one. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:51 - May 11 with 1474 views | BlueBadger |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 17:03 - May 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Not really he didn’t perform very well in the house when he first joined the shadow cabinet but he has improved remarkably.
He needs to avoid spending too much time nit-picking and start being a bit more constructive. |
Yeah, he should read out more letters from Mrs Trellis in North Wales. |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:00 - May 11 with 1461 views | SpruceMoose |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:51 - May 11 by BlueBadger |
Yeah, he should read out more letters from Mrs Trellis in North Wales. |
, Lambert |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:01 - May 11 with 1454 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:51 - May 11 by BlueBadger |
Yeah, he should read out more letters from Mrs Trellis in North Wales. |
I believe "but Corbyn" is frowned upon in these here parts. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:08 - May 11 with 1443 views | footers |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:51 - May 11 by BlueBadger |
Yeah, he should read out more letters from Mrs Trellis in North Wales. |
I actually liked that tactic from Corbyn. Difficult to pull off the braying, Tory tw@t act when you're replying to a real person's concerns. They have to pretend to like the general public sometimes, y'know. Corbyn's failure was not examining the answers with more/any scrutiny. |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:09 - May 11 with 1434 views | footers |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:01 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
I believe "but Corbyn" is frowned upon in these here parts. |
Only when used as an irrelevant counter-argument to the current sh1tshow. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:16 - May 11 with 1409 views | eireblue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 19:04 - May 11 by NewcyBlue |
Ah cheers.
Even more galling when people question their integrity. |
I can’t remember which one CMO or CSA made it clear they don’t provide a single piece of advice or a single recommendation.
It is not their job to balance economic interests.
They provide a range of outcomes.
The government decide what to do.
For instance a Labour government may have done things like consult unions on how to handle economic impact, they may have made more use of local authority capacity during the initial track and trace. Labour may decided to have a “windfall” tax.
So it is perfectly valid to criticise the government decision making without impuning the reputation of civil servants. It is perfection valid to point out a different government would have acted differently with the same CMO/CSA I put. |  | | |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:18 - May 11 with 1403 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:09 - May 11 by footers |
Only when used as an irrelevant counter-argument to the current sh1tshow. |
We are in agreement on this then. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:18 - May 11 with 1403 views | BlueBadger |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:00 - May 11 by SpruceMoose |
, Lambert |
What do you reckon a venn diagram of people who defend Paul Lambert and people who defend incompetent party leaders wh are very obviously incompetent looks like? | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:19 - May 11 with 1398 views | SpruceMoose |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:18 - May 11 by BlueBadger |
What do you reckon a venn diagram of people who defend Paul Lambert and people who defend incompetent party leaders wh are very obviously incompetent looks like? |
A bird's eye view of Duncan Goodhew? [Post edited 11 May 2020 20:21]
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:22 - May 11 with 1387 views | NewcyBlue |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:16 - May 11 by eireblue |
I can’t remember which one CMO or CSA made it clear they don’t provide a single piece of advice or a single recommendation.
It is not their job to balance economic interests.
They provide a range of outcomes.
The government decide what to do.
For instance a Labour government may have done things like consult unions on how to handle economic impact, they may have made more use of local authority capacity during the initial track and trace. Labour may decided to have a “windfall” tax.
So it is perfectly valid to criticise the government decision making without impuning the reputation of civil servants. It is perfection valid to point out a different government would have acted differently with the same CMO/CSA I put. |
Well quite.
The government are the ones making the decisions.
There have been posts calling into doubt the integrity of the CMO/CSA. I was under the impression they were appointed by the government.
What labour may have done we won’t really ever know.
I think we should criticise the government with facts, not conjecture. There are plenty of things to criticise them for about their response to this. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:22 - May 11 with 1384 views | footers |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:18 - May 11 by GlasgowBlue |
We are in agreement on this then. |
It applies to other hypothetical situations too, but this just covers the most recent. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:23 - May 11 with 1377 views | BlueBadger |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:08 - May 11 by footers |
I actually liked that tactic from Corbyn. Difficult to pull off the braying, Tory tw@t act when you're replying to a real person's concerns. They have to pretend to like the general public sometimes, y'know. Corbyn's failure was not examining the answers with more/any scrutiny. |
David Cameron ran rings around him when he was doing that. And every time he did it, it was to general derision. | |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:25 - May 11 with 1370 views | Darth_Koont |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:18 - May 11 by BlueBadger |
What do you reckon a venn diagram of people who defend Paul Lambert and people who defend incompetent party leaders wh are very obviously incompetent looks like? |
It's more Mick and Corbyn and the respective numbskulls that attacked them.
I like Starmer and his performances at PMQ are a definite advantage but it's amusing to see people go all Roy Keane and his pressers over him. |  |
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| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:37 - May 11 with 1332 views | itfcjoe |
| Kier Starmer really is a grown up serious politician isn’t he? on 20:22 - May 11 by NewcyBlue |
Well quite.
The government are the ones making the decisions.
There have been posts calling into doubt the integrity of the CMO/CSA. I was under the impression they were appointed by the government.
What labour may have done we won’t really ever know.
I think we should criticise the government with facts, not conjecture. There are plenty of things to criticise them for about their response to this. |
It was only a few weeks ago that Jennie Harries stood up and said that the Test, test, test approach wasn't appropriate for us - there does feel like at times there has been a political slant to what was being said.
It felt like until the Dom Cummings in Sage story broke the 'science' and the Govt were working as one voice, whereas since then they've been jostling for their position |  |
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