| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:36 - Jun 17 with 808 views | RegencyBlue |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:05 - Jun 17 by sparks |
We retain an advantage for a year or two with the academy but given time, that too will fade. |
I'm not sure we will.
I have been hearing for a long while that there were massive cuts planned for the Academy and that is why there has been an exodus of coaches from the club in recent months.
I cant say for sure this is correct but the people who told me are in a position to know! |  | |  |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 with 799 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:36 - Jun 17 by RegencyBlue |
I'm not sure we will.
I have been hearing for a long while that there were massive cuts planned for the Academy and that is why there has been an exodus of coaches from the club in recent months.
I cant say for sure this is correct but the people who told me are in a position to know! |
Our infrastructure is thread bare already, and that's the root of the problem. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 with 800 views | sparks |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:36 - Jun 17 by RegencyBlue |
I'm not sure we will.
I have been hearing for a long while that there were massive cuts planned for the Academy and that is why there has been an exodus of coaches from the club in recent months.
I cant say for sure this is correct but the people who told me are in a position to know! |
I had in mind that we have a better quality of youngster than other teams in the division- and unless we dumpt them all over the summer, that should remain the case for a year or so... |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 with 796 views | hector_clifford |
I'm sorry everyone if this is a stupid question, but is the manager and his staff included, when totalling up salaries?
You can't have a manager on allegedly £500,000 a year, and all the playing staff combined being on £2.5 million. [Post edited 17 Jun 2020 13:41]
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:39 - Jun 17 with 790 views | PJH |
A hell of a lot of ex professional footballers will be joining the ranks of the unemployed. |  | | |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:45 - Jun 17 with 775 views | RegencyBlue |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Our infrastructure is thread bare already, and that's the root of the problem. |
Indeed!
Years of neglect are coming home to bite us on the backside and I think the damage done is irreversible now.
Sad times but hey, we must thank Marcus for "keeping us going". | | | |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:56 - Jun 17 with 726 views | Illinoisblue |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Our infrastructure is thread bare already, and that's the root of the problem. |
Coventry don’t even have a home yet won the league. It’s not all about infrastructure. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died (n/t) on 14:01 - Jun 17 with 717 views | Keno |
dont some of these proposals exclude players promoted from your own academy? [Post edited 17 Jun 2020 14:02]
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:04 - Jun 17 with 709 views | Steve_M |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:56 - Jun 17 by Illinoisblue |
Coventry don’t even have a home yet won the league. It’s not all about infrastructure. |
No, but one good season can allow a team to have some degree of success.
This amount of consistent incompetence here does reflect structural failings over more than a decade, a trend bucked only by McCarthy. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:06 - Jun 17 with 705 views | FifeITFC |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 12:49 - Jun 17 by portmanking |
Of course they should be based on income!
Why on earth should clubs attracting 18k a week be forced to pay the same amount as Accrington who get 2k fans? It makes no sense. As a commercial entity you might as well stick a fork in us. |
Maybe with 18k crowds and a salary cap we'd manage to get our debts down?
And for those that way inclined, make the club more financially appealling to a new backer/owner. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:33 - Jun 17 with 667 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:06 - Jun 17 by FifeITFC |
Maybe with 18k crowds and a salary cap we'd manage to get our debts down?
And for those that way inclined, make the club more financially appealling to a new backer/owner. |
If we can make a cool half million a year, we should be debt-free in 180 years  |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:43 - Jun 17 with 656 views | PhilTWTD |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:38 - Jun 17 by hector_clifford |
I'm sorry everyone if this is a stupid question, but is the manager and his staff included, when totalling up salaries?
You can't have a manager on allegedly £500,000 a year, and all the playing staff combined being on £2.5 million. [Post edited 17 Jun 2020 13:41]
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It refers to player wages plus agents' fees, according to The Times. Worth noting that what's new today - or actually yesterday as that's when the EFL AGM was - is the size of the vote required to change the rules, not the figures. They were recommended last month by the EFL’s Financial Controls Working Party, and there may well be developments on that front, particularly in terms of when clubs have to get their wages down to those levels, before the new rules are brought in.
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:57 - Jun 17 with 625 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:56 - Jun 17 by Illinoisblue |
Coventry don’t even have a home yet won the league. It’s not all about infrastructure. |
I was referring to management infrastructure rather than physical. | |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:01 - Jun 17 with 618 views | PhilTWTD |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 13:36 - Jun 17 by RegencyBlue |
I'm not sure we will.
I have been hearing for a long while that there were massive cuts planned for the Academy and that is why there has been an exodus of coaches from the club in recent months.
I cant say for sure this is correct but the people who told me are in a position to know! |
I don't think that's the case. Prior to the coronavirus, the plans to upgrade to category one were very much back on the table, certainly beyond the 'that's the ultimate aim' comments of previous seasons. Obviously the situation since then will have put all plans for further spending on hold.
In terms of cuts, there's not really much scope for them to make them to any great degree. The club is obliged to spend a certain amount on its academy - and maintain staffing levels - in order to qualify for very significant Premier League grants.
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:04 - Jun 17 with 607 views | monty_radio |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 14:43 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD |
It refers to player wages plus agents' fees, according to The Times. Worth noting that what's new today - or actually yesterday as that's when the EFL AGM was - is the size of the vote required to change the rules, not the figures. They were recommended last month by the EFL’s Financial Controls Working Party, and there may well be developments on that front, particularly in terms of when clubs have to get their wages down to those levels, before the new rules are brought in.
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What, do you imagine, is the time-frame for these proposals to take full effect i.e. for clubs, presumably including Town to actually reduce the wages of players who collectively would place us well above these limits if these plans were implemented today? | |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:09 - Jun 17 with 596 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think it is a great idea, as long as it implemented throughout football pyramid.
Averages out of 25 players on just under £2,000 a week.
It will force us to use and trust more academy products, but hopefully forces us to start using a proper scouting network to consistently find lower league gems. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:10 - Jun 17 with 599 views | PhilTWTD |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:04 - Jun 17 by monty_radio |
What, do you imagine, is the time-frame for these proposals to take full effect i.e. for clubs, presumably including Town to actually reduce the wages of players who collectively would place us well above these limits if these plans were implemented today? |
No idea, but I assume there will be some staggering into the overall limit as clubs will already have player contracts which will put them above the limit in seasonsto come. I would guess that there may well be some discussion on the limits before their implementation. Think there are ongoing talks between the EFL, the clubs and the PFA about player wage cuts, which may also have some impact on the situation.
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:24 - Jun 17 with 569 views | CokeIsKey |
A £2.5 Million maximum salary seems unbelievably low when compared to the average championship wage bill of around £36 Million - to become a mid-table championship side in terms of wage bill you would have to multiply it by around 15 times which is ridiculous.
Even to avoid a relegation wage bill, you would have to multiply the league 1 maximum by around 10 times - such a gap between the two leagues seems impossible.
Also not to mention the issues of championship clubs getting relegated with massive wage bills. Either they keep most of their squad and become unfairly good, or they face serious financial consequences having to fit the restrictions. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:27 - Jun 17 with 566 views | hoppy |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:10 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD |
No idea, but I assume there will be some staggering into the overall limit as clubs will already have player contracts which will put them above the limit in seasonsto come. I would guess that there may well be some discussion on the limits before their implementation. Think there are ongoing talks between the EFL, the clubs and the PFA about player wage cuts, which may also have some impact on the situation.
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I'm guessing, as I just mentioned on the news comments, that this would mean a definite no chance of Garbutt signing permanently? |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:35 - Jun 17 with 551 views | PhilTWTD |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:27 - Jun 17 by hoppy |
I'm guessing, as I just mentioned on the news comments, that this would mean a definite no chance of Garbutt signing permanently? |
You'd imagine it would make it harder to make any limit but, of course, we don't know how things might be staggered, assuming they are, or what the finally agreed limit might actually be.
I don't really think it's likely anyway. I've known Championship clubs have watched him this season for a while and I imagine someone will see him as a bit of a bargain addition. When we spoke to him in October and asked him about staying he said “If we’re promoted, Championship football would be a pull", which I think was telling about his ambitions even then. | | | |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:41 - Jun 17 with 535 views | sparks |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:09 - Jun 17 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think it is a great idea, as long as it implemented throughout football pyramid.
Averages out of 25 players on just under £2,000 a week.
It will force us to use and trust more academy products, but hopefully forces us to start using a proper scouting network to consistently find lower league gems. |
Then along comes a Champ club- and offers that gem £5k a week. And off he goes, despite the fact that our gates could have paid his wages...
The higher clubs enjoying advantage are never going to vote for it. | |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:45 - Jun 17 with 529 views | portmanking |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:41 - Jun 17 by sparks |
Then along comes a Champ club- and offers that gem £5k a week. And off he goes, despite the fact that our gates could have paid his wages...
The higher clubs enjoying advantage are never going to vote for it. |
100%.
We all know that football needs to cut its cloth accordingly, but to align ourselves to the purse strings of the likes of Accrington and Burton instead of Forest, Sheffield Weds, Middlesbrough et al would be like signing our death warrant. | | | |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:53 - Jun 17 with 516 views | hype313 |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:45 - Jun 17 by portmanking |
100%.
We all know that football needs to cut its cloth accordingly, but to align ourselves to the purse strings of the likes of Accrington and Burton instead of Forest, Sheffield Weds, Middlesbrough et al would be like signing our death warrant. |
If fans aren't allowed back in until next year, whilst clubs are playing behind closed doors, then the salary cap will be way down the list of problems compared to restructuring leagues part way through the season, as a plethora of clubs go bang. |  |
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| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:56 - Jun 17 with 509 views | TJS |
Any salary cap has to apply to the WHOLE football league including the Championship otherwise it is Premier League 2 in all but name. |  | | |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 16:06 - Jun 17 with 487 views | sparks |
| 17th June 2020 - The Day Ipswich Town FC Died on 15:56 - Jun 17 by TJS |
Any salary cap has to apply to the WHOLE football league including the Championship otherwise it is Premier League 2 in all but name. |
Why would the championship choose to be at an even greater disadvantage to the Prem than they already are? | |
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