| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is 10:40 - Jul 20 with 13908 views | Darth_Koont |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:11 - Jul 20 with 1976 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:00 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
True. Not helped by the Labour infighting either. I see that the Corbyn tribe are attacking the Guardian now; absolute madness. |
The Guardian's spent the last 5 years punching leftwards. For a paper supposed to be an ally to the left it's not hard to see why people get irked by the positions they've taken over the last few years. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:15 - Jul 20 with 1949 views | footers |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:11 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
The Guardian's spent the last 5 years punching leftwards. For a paper supposed to be an ally to the left it's not hard to see why people get irked by the positions they've taken over the last few years. |
Under Viner, it's really become a lot worse. And that's saying something.
Still my main go-to paper, but a lot of it is tripe. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:16 - Jul 20 with 1953 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:11 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
The Guardian's spent the last 5 years punching leftwards. For a paper supposed to be an ally to the left it's not hard to see why people get irked by the positions they've taken over the last few years. |
what an exciting place you must be viewing from in order to think the guardian has been 'punching leftwards'. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:19 - Jul 20 with 1944 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:16 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
what an exciting place you must be viewing from in order to think the guardian has been 'punching leftwards'. |
If you don't think tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards then I think it's your view of the world that's out of kilter, not that that's particularly surprising. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:20 - Jul 20 with 1936 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:10 - Jul 20 by Darth_Koont |
"wasn't quite loyal enough"!??
While handwringing over the need to get the Tories out, they led the personal attacks as you well know. |
when you say they led the personal attacks - do you mean that once in a while someone dared to question his electability? you do know that his leadership didn't turn out to be a great success - so some degree of mild and occasional scepticism might have been justified.
if you stick to squwak box i'm sure they keep such challenges away from your fragile eyes. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:25 - Jul 20 with 1896 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:19 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
If you don't think tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards then I think it's your view of the world that's out of kilter, not that that's particularly surprising. |
It’s the Guardian, not Pravda. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:26 - Jul 20 with 1898 views | Herbivore |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:19 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
If you don't think tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards then I think it's your view of the world that's out of kilter, not that that's particularly surprising. |
The best description of the Guardian would be that it's a socially liberal newspaper. It is not especially left wing in any traditional sense. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:27 - Jul 20 with 1883 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:19 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
If you don't think tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards then I think it's your view of the world that's out of kilter, not that that's particularly surprising. |
when you accuse the guardian of "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party" you have parted company with the plot. if you only want to read stuff that agrees with you there are places for that however nutty they may be.
any mild scepticism the guardian may have expressed - god forbid - was of course proven right. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:34 - Jul 20 with 1858 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:25 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s the Guardian, not Pravda. |
If you can look at the media's output (and especially the BBC and Guardian that are meant to provide a counterweight to the predominant right-wing media) and see balance then you're clearly tilting your head.
Please provide any media research that backs up that view.
Balance in politics and media (and especially a balance based on facts not exclusively opinions) would be bloody marvelous. Never mind a fairer treatment of Corbyn and bog-standard social democracy, we'd have been spared the worst and most damaging excesses of the current right-wing and government. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:35 - Jul 20 with 1855 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:25 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s the Guardian, not Pravda. |
i do feel sorry for the guardian. it is on the left but too much of the left no longer wants to read informed discussion or anything in anyway challenging. they buy a newspaper to have their beliefs reaffirmed - they want congratulatory reassurance with their muesli. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:35 - Jul 20 with 1852 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:20 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
when you say they led the personal attacks - do you mean that once in a while someone dared to question his electability? you do know that his leadership didn't turn out to be a great success - so some degree of mild and occasional scepticism might have been justified.
if you stick to squwak box i'm sure they keep such challenges away from your fragile eyes. |
Gmpf. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:37 - Jul 20 with 1835 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:27 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
when you accuse the guardian of "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party" you have parted company with the plot. if you only want to read stuff that agrees with you there are places for that however nutty they may be.
any mild scepticism the guardian may have expressed - god forbid - was of course proven right. |
Your constant patronising accusations of people only reading things they agree with (and then saying they must be some loony publication) are as tedious as they are untrue.
Given your description of "mild scepticism" it's pretty obvious, not for the first time, that you don't actually have a great grasp of what's being discussed but once again are acting as if you're some superior font of knowledge. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:42 - Jul 20 with 1792 views | homer_123 |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 10:59 - Jul 20 by Darth_Koont |
I think "having a view" and putting that above objective facts and debate is the big problem.
Our politics and media are absolutely dominated by these people. |
Wouldn't disagree with that. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:44 - Jul 20 with 1784 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:37 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
Your constant patronising accusations of people only reading things they agree with (and then saying they must be some loony publication) are as tedious as they are untrue.
Given your description of "mild scepticism" it's pretty obvious, not for the first time, that you don't actually have a great grasp of what's being discussed but once again are acting as if you're some superior font of knowledge. |
i read the guardian every day - plus the observer. I am very well placed therefore to know that someone who says the guardian has published "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party" has lost the plot. i suspect this is just the current self-delusional excuse for corbyn's failure which is being pushed by the hard left and you are just repeating that.
as a paper on the left the guardian have been proven very right to include discussion of corbyn's weaknesses. those weaknesses led to catastrophic defeat and 5 more years of tory government. perhaps if people like you had read the stuff they disagreed with it could have been avoided.
if you can't cope with having your ideas challenged by the occasional article in the guardian that's pretty sad. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:45 - Jul 20 with 1774 views | Herbivore |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:37 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
Your constant patronising accusations of people only reading things they agree with (and then saying they must be some loony publication) are as tedious as they are untrue.
Given your description of "mild scepticism" it's pretty obvious, not for the first time, that you don't actually have a great grasp of what's being discussed but once again are acting as if you're some superior font of knowledge. |
Lowie only uses trusted sources, like CCHQ, for his information these days. Nothing else quite cuts the mustard. The fact some of us don't agree with his trusted source leads him to conclude we must all be brainwashed Marxists. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:46 - Jul 20 with 1772 views | Swansea_Blue |
The Guardian has some great journalism it still. It also has a load of pompous, self righteous twaddle in some of the opinion columns (which are easy to avoid).
It'd be a sad day and a step further towards a political monopoly in the MSM printed press when it goes though. It's one of the few friends the left has left in Fleet Street (or wherever they all are now).
It comes back to the core issue of the split in Labour. Until 'The Marxists' and 'The Champagne Socialists' learn to find some common ground, we'll keep getting repeats of the last election result. The Tories must be delighting in all this daft infighting. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 with 1757 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:45 - Jul 20 by Herbivore |
Lowie only uses trusted sources, like CCHQ, for his information these days. Nothing else quite cuts the mustard. The fact some of us don't agree with his trusted source leads him to conclude we must all be brainwashed Marxists. |
i read the guardian on a daily basis. i'm not the one accusing it of writing the wrong things.
but obviously not repeating the same blinkered nonsense as you makes me a tory. well done you. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 with 1756 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:44 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i read the guardian every day - plus the observer. I am very well placed therefore to know that someone who says the guardian has published "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party" has lost the plot. i suspect this is just the current self-delusional excuse for corbyn's failure which is being pushed by the hard left and you are just repeating that.
as a paper on the left the guardian have been proven very right to include discussion of corbyn's weaknesses. those weaknesses led to catastrophic defeat and 5 more years of tory government. perhaps if people like you had read the stuff they disagreed with it could have been avoided.
if you can't cope with having your ideas challenged by the occasional article in the guardian that's pretty sad. |
You have no idea of my political positions or my reading habits. I'm not sure who you think 'people like me' are or what they could have done but we all know you'll say anything to make yourself feel superior to others so there we are.
I can cope fine with people thinking different things to me thanks, given you've decided to imagine what I read and think and call me 'sad' for it I'd suggest it's you that has a problem with alternative viewpoints. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:52 - Jul 20 with 1742 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:44 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i read the guardian every day - plus the observer. I am very well placed therefore to know that someone who says the guardian has published "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party" has lost the plot. i suspect this is just the current self-delusional excuse for corbyn's failure which is being pushed by the hard left and you are just repeating that.
as a paper on the left the guardian have been proven very right to include discussion of corbyn's weaknesses. those weaknesses led to catastrophic defeat and 5 more years of tory government. perhaps if people like you had read the stuff they disagreed with it could have been avoided.
if you can't cope with having your ideas challenged by the occasional article in the guardian that's pretty sad. |
You're massively downplaying it. Which is also predictable. The Guardian pretty much led the personal attacks.
I have no problem with them being a centre/centre-left paper that fights for the resulting centre-right establishment. Just they need to be more honest about it. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:54 - Jul 20 with 1724 views | footers |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
You have no idea of my political positions or my reading habits. I'm not sure who you think 'people like me' are or what they could have done but we all know you'll say anything to make yourself feel superior to others so there we are.
I can cope fine with people thinking different things to me thanks, given you've decided to imagine what I read and think and call me 'sad' for it I'd suggest it's you that has a problem with alternative viewpoints. |
You only show real diversity of thought by agreeing with lowhouse. If you don't, then you're a brainwashed Marxist.
But at least Labour have taken his words of wisdom and gone with a centrist candidate who'll be sure to turn over an incompetent government and rocket up the polls. Oh. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:55 - Jul 20 with 1726 views | thebooks |
I'm not really surprised. You're not going to somehow convince a pro-Brexit supporter who's recently voted for Johnson through fact-checking or being "sensible". If anything, you're going to come across as patronising and an example of why they voted Brexit in the first place.
This is about narrative and Labour doesn't really have one now beyond Starmer being more competent than Johnson. Couple that with rallying round the flag in times of trouble and Brexit still looming and it's clear KS has a tough job.
As for The Guardian — well, it was the Observer which was particularly anti-Corbyn, undermining him over several years through manufacturing focus group based stories about perceived confidence with the electorate, constant briefing from the likes of Tom Watson, endless opinion pieces decrying him as a lunatic, anti-semitic Marxist etc. Its appeal *feels* very narrow now, limited to a liberal, professional class. The left itself feels more split than ever. |  | | |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:55 - Jul 20 with 1720 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i read the guardian on a daily basis. i'm not the one accusing it of writing the wrong things.
but obviously not repeating the same blinkered nonsense as you makes me a tory. well done you. |
You're a party political spiv who would be just at home in the Brexit Party.
Let's be honest here. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:56 - Jul 20 with 1710 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:54 - Jul 20 by footers |
You only show real diversity of thought by agreeing with lowhouse. If you don't, then you're a brainwashed Marxist.
But at least Labour have taken his words of wisdom and gone with a centrist candidate who'll be sure to turn over an incompetent government and rocket up the polls. Oh. |
Any Labour leader should be ahead of this shower. Starmer should resign. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:56 - Jul 20 with 1707 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
You have no idea of my political positions or my reading habits. I'm not sure who you think 'people like me' are or what they could have done but we all know you'll say anything to make yourself feel superior to others so there we are.
I can cope fine with people thinking different things to me thanks, given you've decided to imagine what I read and think and call me 'sad' for it I'd suggest it's you that has a problem with alternative viewpoints. |
your description of the guardian as "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards" tells me all i need to know thanks.
corbyn was a disaster. attacking those who pointed it out, including very occasionally the guardian, is bizarre. | |
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