| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is 10:40 - Jul 20 with 13899 views | Darth_Koont |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:57 - Jul 20 with 1984 views | Herbivore |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:50 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i read the guardian on a daily basis. i'm not the one accusing it of writing the wrong things.
but obviously not repeating the same blinkered nonsense as you makes me a tory. well done you. |
I haven't criticised the Guardian. I've said it's really a socially liberal paper as opposed to left-wing in any traditional sense. I'm not sure what "blinkered nonsense" you think I'm repeating? Sounds like your usual attempt to shut people down and use accusations of bias in lieu of argument. Classic Tory. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:58 - Jul 20 with 1978 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:55 - Jul 20 by Darth_Koont |
You're a party political spiv who would be just at home in the Brexit Party.
Let's be honest here. |
again anyone who doesn't chant the same nonsense as you is a tory or belongs in ukip. it's pathetic. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:59 - Jul 20 with 1976 views | GlasgowBlue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:35 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i do feel sorry for the guardian. it is on the left but too much of the left no longer wants to read informed discussion or anything in anyway challenging. they buy a newspaper to have their beliefs reaffirmed - they want congratulatory reassurance with their muesli. |
It rather amusing to see a number of posts on here holding up articles from the Torygraph and the Mail attacking Johnson as proof how woeful and incompetent he and his party are but when a left leaning newspaper did the same regarding the Jezziah, they were denounced as traitors to the left wing cause. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:00 - Jul 20 with 1971 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:56 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
your description of the guardian as "tides of articles speaking against the left-wing leader of the Labour Party is punching leftwards" tells me all i need to know thanks.
corbyn was a disaster. attacking those who pointed it out, including very occasionally the guardian, is bizarre. |
I haven't attacked the Guardian so that's another thing you've made up, I hope someone's keeping count. Anyone who doesn't advocate for absolutely zero change to the status quo is seen as a loony radical by you so it would be more accurate for you to say "all I want to know". |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:00 - Jul 20 with 1965 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:46 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
The Guardian has some great journalism it still. It also has a load of pompous, self righteous twaddle in some of the opinion columns (which are easy to avoid).
It'd be a sad day and a step further towards a political monopoly in the MSM printed press when it goes though. It's one of the few friends the left has left in Fleet Street (or wherever they all are now).
It comes back to the core issue of the split in Labour. Until 'The Marxists' and 'The Champagne Socialists' learn to find some common ground, we'll keep getting repeats of the last election result. The Tories must be delighting in all this daft infighting. |
With friends like that who needs enemas. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:00 - Jul 20 with 1966 views | Ryorry |
How anyone in the USA could still consider voting for Trump is just as, if not even more bizarre. Brain-washing & mass-hypnosis seem to be alive & well in both countries. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:03 - Jul 20 with 1948 views | Darth_Koont |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:58 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
again anyone who doesn't chant the same nonsense as you is a tory or belongs in ukip. it's pathetic. |
Not at all.
I'm just talking about you. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:03 - Jul 20 with 1944 views | homer_123 |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:00 - Jul 20 by Ryorry |
How anyone in the USA could still consider voting for Trump is just as, if not even more bizarre. Brain-washing & mass-hypnosis seem to be alive & well in both countries. |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:04 - Jul 20 with 1931 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:54 - Jul 20 by footers |
You only show real diversity of thought by agreeing with lowhouse. If you don't, then you're a brainwashed Marxist.
But at least Labour have taken his words of wisdom and gone with a centrist candidate who'll be sure to turn over an incompetent government and rocket up the polls. Oh. |
you may not have noticed, but i don't particularly care whether anyone on here agrees with me or not.
if someone joy rides in a car and drives it over a cliff, it'll probably take a lot more than 7 months to get it going again. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:06 - Jul 20 with 1916 views | thebooks |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:59 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
It rather amusing to see a number of posts on here holding up articles from the Torygraph and the Mail attacking Johnson as proof how woeful and incompetent he and his party are but when a left leaning newspaper did the same regarding the Jezziah, they were denounced as traitors to the left wing cause. |
I don't think that's quite what happened. There was of course plenty to criticise Corbyn for, especially his poor management of anti-semitism claims, but the Observer especially took a strategic approach to undermining him over a long period, rather than simply reporting on him.
For example, it would commission ropey focus group research from old Blairite groups such as BBM and publish findings that were obviously engineered to paint him in a particular light. They'd then back that up with an opinion piece from someone like Toby Helm.
While only three people read the Observer, this would have an effect on the party itself. |  | | |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:08 - Jul 20 with 1896 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:00 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
I haven't attacked the Guardian so that's another thing you've made up, I hope someone's keeping count. Anyone who doesn't advocate for absolutely zero change to the status quo is seen as a loony radical by you so it would be more accurate for you to say "all I want to know". |
so when you post "The Guardian's spent the last 5 years punching leftwards. For a paper supposed to be an ally to the left it's not hard to see why people get irked by the positions they've taken over the last few years." that's actually support for the guardian. i hadn't realised - i stand corrected. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:10 - Jul 20 with 1888 views | footers |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:04 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
you may not have noticed, but i don't particularly care whether anyone on here agrees with me or not.
if someone joy rides in a car and drives it over a cliff, it'll probably take a lot more than 7 months to get it going again. |
Well, the resident Tory does, which is all anyone probably needs to know about your politics. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:11 - Jul 20 with 1881 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:08 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
so when you post "The Guardian's spent the last 5 years punching leftwards. For a paper supposed to be an ally to the left it's not hard to see why people get irked by the positions they've taken over the last few years." that's actually support for the guardian. i hadn't realised - i stand corrected. |
It's clearly neither an attack or a show of support for it, anyone can see it's an observation about the paper and how some people have reacted to its output.
Christ, you talk about other people losing the plot. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:14 - Jul 20 with 1870 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:10 - Jul 20 by footers |
Well, the resident Tory does, which is all anyone probably needs to know about your politics. |
the thing that people like you, corbyn and boris do is to unify the centre. the common ground from the centre left of the labour party through to the socially progressive left of the tory party looks a lot bigger now given the nutters at either extreme. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:14 - Jul 20 with 1873 views | Ryorry |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:03 - Jul 20 by homer_123 |
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Yeah, saw that - one of the main TV channels featured a piece on him last night incl one of his raps - think it was in that BBC2 docu on Trump's tweets, which I just caught the last 15 mins of - don't think I've ever smh so much - baffling! | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:15 - Jul 20 with 1862 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:11 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
It's clearly neither an attack or a show of support for it, anyone can see it's an observation about the paper and how some people have reacted to its output.
Christ, you talk about other people losing the plot. |
"punching leftwards" is just an observation. yeah right. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:22 - Jul 20 with 1831 views | m14_blue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 11:35 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
i do feel sorry for the guardian. it is on the left but too much of the left no longer wants to read informed discussion or anything in anyway challenging. they buy a newspaper to have their beliefs reaffirmed - they want congratulatory reassurance with their muesli. |
It's not often I've thought this recently but I make you right.
The Guardian is a left of centre newspaper, not a propagandist cheerleader for the Labour party. If their columnists thought Corbyn would be an electoral disaster then they were right to say so (and proven to be accurate).
I'm not a regular reader, and its obviously far from perfect, but if you think the Guardian isn't left wing enough then you're in a very small minority and you're never going to have a majority government that exactly represents your views.
PR would make a massive difference but with our bipartisan FPTP the closest you'll get will be a left of centre Labour party with decent people leading it. |  | | |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:22 - Jul 20 with 1828 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:15 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
"punching leftwards" is just an observation. yeah right. |
Yeah, right.
For someone who’s forever wanging on about people not reading things they don’t agree with, you don’t half like to wilfully (or not) misunderstand things and not actually read what people are saying, ironically so you don’t have the view you hold of them challenged. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:25 - Jul 20 with 1815 views | Herbivore |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:22 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
Yeah, right.
For someone who’s forever wanging on about people not reading things they don’t agree with, you don’t half like to wilfully (or not) misunderstand things and not actually read what people are saying, ironically so you don’t have the view you hold of them challenged. |
Lowie is much closer to the strawman version of his opponents that he likes to create than any of his opponents are. He is just too blinkered to see it, sadly. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:27 - Jul 20 with 1807 views | itfcjoe |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:22 - Jul 20 by m14_blue |
It's not often I've thought this recently but I make you right.
The Guardian is a left of centre newspaper, not a propagandist cheerleader for the Labour party. If their columnists thought Corbyn would be an electoral disaster then they were right to say so (and proven to be accurate).
I'm not a regular reader, and its obviously far from perfect, but if you think the Guardian isn't left wing enough then you're in a very small minority and you're never going to have a majority government that exactly represents your views.
PR would make a massive difference but with our bipartisan FPTP the closest you'll get will be a left of centre Labour party with decent people leading it. |
I generally find the Guardian and the Times as the two papers worth reading - one from a more left slant and the other from a more right slant.
But both are serious papers with generally proper journalism and a good balance throughout them.
Think the problem for the 'Hard Left' is that they don't have a paper like the Telegraph that is able to act as a cheerleader but still be seen to the everyman as just a broadsheet when it is a propaganda rag in the main. |  |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:28 - Jul 20 with 1804 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:25 - Jul 20 by Herbivore |
Lowie is much closer to the strawman version of his opponents that he likes to create than any of his opponents are. He is just too blinkered to see it, sadly. |
 as you seem to like to say.
you seem to prefer to commentate on threads and posters rather than engage in discussion. i guess it's a good way to avoid being shown up. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:31 - Jul 20 with 1796 views | lowhouseblue |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:22 - Jul 20 by LankHenners |
Yeah, right.
For someone who’s forever wanging on about people not reading things they don’t agree with, you don’t half like to wilfully (or not) misunderstand things and not actually read what people are saying, ironically so you don’t have the view you hold of them challenged. |
you think 'punching leftwards' is an objective and neutral / non-judgemental observation? how have i misunderstood 'punching leftwards'? | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:35 - Jul 20 with 1783 views | LankHenners |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:31 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
you think 'punching leftwards' is an objective and neutral / non-judgemental observation? how have i misunderstood 'punching leftwards'? |
I’ve already explained what it means and you didn’t like it so you dismissed it.
It’s fine to say you’ve got this wrong and misread the situation, no-one will think any less of you. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:35 - Jul 20 with 1781 views | Herbivore |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:28 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
as you seem to like to say.
you seem to prefer to commentate on threads and posters rather than engage in discussion. i guess it's a good way to avoid being shown up. |
I've tried engaging with you and it was a rather pointless exercise. I have no worries about being shown up and regularly engage with others, but sadly you're a hopeless case that trots out the same three or four tired lines and does all the things you accuse others of doing. Sighing and face palming are the only appropriate responses to you these days. | |
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| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:37 - Jul 20 with 1779 views | thebooks |
| What's depressing is how utterly predictable this is on 12:14 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
the thing that people like you, corbyn and boris do is to unify the centre. the common ground from the centre left of the labour party through to the socially progressive left of the tory party looks a lot bigger now given the nutters at either extreme. |
This common ground might look bigger, yet that doesn't seem to be translating to votes. | | | |
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