| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 17:27 - Jul 26 with 7319 views | monytowbray |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 21:07 - Jul 26 with 2710 views | Seablu |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 20:53 - Jul 26 by monytowbray |
I’m actually amazed there are people who don’t have Fish on their div list. |
Our mutual love of MM & disdain for PL means we’re 2% compatible.
I’ve fallen in love with less common ground than that.
I just ignore his views on everything else. |  | | |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 22:11 - Jul 26 with 2668 views | noggin |
Yeah but Corbyn is...... |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 22:36 - Jul 26 with 2621 views | Bluefish |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 20:53 - Jul 26 by monytowbray |
I’m actually amazed there are people who don’t have Fish on their div list. |
Not everyone is as delicate as you petal |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 22:46 - Jul 26 with 2623 views | SpruceMoose |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 22:36 - Jul 26 by Bluefish |
Not everyone is as delicate as you petal |
Not sure you're on very strong ground here considering the what must be half dozen times you've flounced off the forum! [Post edited 26 Jul 2020 22:46]
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 23:05 - Jul 26 with 2600 views | monytowbray |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 22:36 - Jul 26 by Bluefish |
Not everyone is as delicate as you petal |
Morbid curiosity made me look whilst logged out.
How do you manage to function full of this much hatred and need for negative attention all the time? I mean, this has been a fairly sensible thread and here you are with a hot take the metaphorical equivalent of waving a mirco penis around in your local coffee shop to OWN THE LIBS who have a book club there.
At least for all the grief I get I make somewhat of a coherent point 90% of the time. This though? This is some laughable input.
Don’t worry about me being delicate, you can just add me to your signature again if it helps you cope with my rejection. Xoxo | |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 02:16 - Jul 27 with 2552 views | Oldsmoker |
Apologies Monytowbray for posting the MSNBC Youtube vid that was in your OP and claiming credit. I temporarily allowed Twitter to view it just now.
My browser settings are 'full-on paranoia' so I don't get to see Twitter, Facebook etc. if someone links to it. |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 02:45 - Jul 27 with 2544 views | monytowbray |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 02:16 - Jul 27 by Oldsmoker |
Apologies Monytowbray for posting the MSNBC Youtube vid that was in your OP and claiming credit. I temporarily allowed Twitter to view it just now.
My browser settings are 'full-on paranoia' so I don't get to see Twitter, Facebook etc. if someone links to it. |
Mate I did wonder but assumed perhaps you couldn’t see it in the embed!
Hard relate on the old social media stuff these days, but then again it’s too late, cat’s out the bag on that data. F*ck knows what it’s being used for what we don’t know about, the stuff we do is terrifying enough.
But CORBZ or something according to BootlickFish. Ironically his comment proved the point of the video. Politics has very much drawn down to how far you are in the cult at this point, and some forum members have picked the Cool Aid tanker up to pour it on themselves.
What would I know though, was only posting about this stuff for the last god knows how many years to the usual reaction most sociopaths or guilt ridden deniers give when faced with the concept of empathy.
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 07:36 - Jul 27 with 2454 views | Bluefish |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 23:05 - Jul 26 by monytowbray |
Morbid curiosity made me look whilst logged out.
How do you manage to function full of this much hatred and need for negative attention all the time? I mean, this has been a fairly sensible thread and here you are with a hot take the metaphorical equivalent of waving a mirco penis around in your local coffee shop to OWN THE LIBS who have a book club there.
At least for all the grief I get I make somewhat of a coherent point 90% of the time. This though? This is some laughable input.
Don’t worry about me being delicate, you can just add me to your signature again if it helps you cope with my rejection. Xoxo |
You should pretend to log out to read this as well | |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 10:00 - Jul 27 with 2398 views | Swansea_Blue |
How the eff can these people call themselves Christians? |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 12:42 - Jul 27 with 2358 views | Kropotkin123 |
Call it Fascism when it is Fascism. Doing so now is either lazy or shows a lack of understanding of what fascism is.
The journalist uses really poor examples. None of which are distinctly Fascist. They are authoritarian.
He makes lazy points like 'fascism is associated with dictatorships and mass murder and we've not had either yet'. It is possible to do both an still not be fascist.
For example, Stalin was a dictator who committed mass murder, purging political dissidents with state resources. It doesn't mean he was a fascist.
Fascism is a political ideology that is distinct from authoritarianism, racistism, etc. You have plenty of words to describe him and what is going on. I really don't get the fixation on labelling him as a fascist. He is repugnant irregardless of the label.
As before...
"Trump isn't a fascist.
The biggest mistake with labelling him a fascist is not understanding fascist economics - Corporatism, Autarky. The closest Trump gets is crony capitalism and protectionism.
The other key difference is around the notion of the individual vs the state. Trump undermines and devalues the state, whereas fascists promote unity through the state and actively try and strengthen its control through all walks of life.
I read someone saying call a duck a duck. But for me it is like calling a goose a duck. sure they resemble each other. But they are not the same and recognising the differences are important for opposing the unique issues both produce.
The other thing is that Trump gets a huge amount of blame. He is a right-wing extremist, a racist, an authoritarian and more. But America's problems didn't start with him. He is exploiting the wide-ranging institutionalised issues in American politics. Eg, he didn't give himself the power to pardon his mate, that already exists. The Democrats didn't seek to remove it, they used it too.
America's issues should also shine a light on issues in this country. But no one is prepared to document and address them, particularly when it threatens their access to power now or in the future. Corporate clientelism, accountability, systems of voting, the list goes on."
But can we call it Fascism yet? by monytowbray 10 Jul 2020 19:46https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1281616586273468416
It’s a wobbly for sure in relation to the net closing in, but this reply nails it.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1281623630581882883
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 13:15 - Jul 27 with 2320 views | Darth_Koont |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 12:42 - Jul 27 by Kropotkin123 |
Call it Fascism when it is Fascism. Doing so now is either lazy or shows a lack of understanding of what fascism is.
The journalist uses really poor examples. None of which are distinctly Fascist. They are authoritarian.
He makes lazy points like 'fascism is associated with dictatorships and mass murder and we've not had either yet'. It is possible to do both an still not be fascist.
For example, Stalin was a dictator who committed mass murder, purging political dissidents with state resources. It doesn't mean he was a fascist.
Fascism is a political ideology that is distinct from authoritarianism, racistism, etc. You have plenty of words to describe him and what is going on. I really don't get the fixation on labelling him as a fascist. He is repugnant irregardless of the label.
As before...
"Trump isn't a fascist.
The biggest mistake with labelling him a fascist is not understanding fascist economics - Corporatism, Autarky. The closest Trump gets is crony capitalism and protectionism.
The other key difference is around the notion of the individual vs the state. Trump undermines and devalues the state, whereas fascists promote unity through the state and actively try and strengthen its control through all walks of life.
I read someone saying call a duck a duck. But for me it is like calling a goose a duck. sure they resemble each other. But they are not the same and recognising the differences are important for opposing the unique issues both produce.
The other thing is that Trump gets a huge amount of blame. He is a right-wing extremist, a racist, an authoritarian and more. But America's problems didn't start with him. He is exploiting the wide-ranging institutionalised issues in American politics. Eg, he didn't give himself the power to pardon his mate, that already exists. The Democrats didn't seek to remove it, they used it too.
America's issues should also shine a light on issues in this country. But no one is prepared to document and address them, particularly when it threatens their access to power now or in the future. Corporate clientelism, accountability, systems of voting, the list goes on."
But can we call it Fascism yet? by monytowbray 10 Jul 2020 19:46https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1281616586273468416
It’s a wobbly for sure in relation to the net closing in, but this reply nails it.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1281623630581882883
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History never repeats itself but it rhymes.
I agree with trying to get more specific and know only too well the danger of re-defining/conflating a term for effect cf. antisemitism and anti-Zionism.
Although there is a legitimate sense of the means justifying the ends here. Until we can define Trumpism or whatever it is (21st Century far-right populism?) then people need to take real notice of the danger.
Not using the term fascism to highlight creeping ethno-religious nationalism and scapegoating of minorities and the left seems a little self-defeating. Despite being different on the level you describe, Fascism was extended to cover Nazism so people could rightfully understand who the enemy was/is.
But as I say, I agree with you that a new, more accurate term is ultimately needed. As long as by then we're sure it doesn't minimise the threat but rather expresses it. |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 21:49 - Aug 30 with 1701 views | Swansea_Blue |
British Union of Fascists flag proudly on display in Trafalgar Square yesterday. We're certainly getting much closer even if we're not already there yet. | |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 23:15 - Aug 30 with 1657 views | ElderGrizzly |
He’s going full on dictator again tonight
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| There are 11 characteristics of fascism on 23:26 - Aug 30 with 1648 views | unstableblue |
And Trump is rocking the majority
Here’s just a few
Theatricality
Leader cult
Lost golden age syndrome
Self definition by opposition
Take the last... Trump is making the Dems out to be Communists and the BLM to be terrorists
He wants vigilantism to stir up further protest which leads to this exact attribute
This is really really serious... people need to wake up to where this will end |  |
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| There are 11 characteristics of fascism on 08:17 - Aug 31 with 1562 views | ElderGrizzly |
| There are 11 characteristics of fascism on 23:26 - Aug 30 by unstableblue |
And Trump is rocking the majority
Here’s just a few
Theatricality
Leader cult
Lost golden age syndrome
Self definition by opposition
Take the last... Trump is making the Dems out to be Communists and the BLM to be terrorists
He wants vigilantism to stir up further protest which leads to this exact attribute
This is really really serious... people need to wake up to where this will end |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:35 - Aug 31 with 1548 views | Oldsmoker |
One month after you posted this and the recent RNC at the White House, I think I can confidently say that Yes, this is facism. | |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:42 - Aug 31 with 1540 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:35 - Aug 31 by Oldsmoker |
One month after you posted this and the recent RNC at the White House, I think I can confidently say that Yes, this is facism. |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:46 - Aug 31 with 1529 views | Darth_Koont |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:42 - Aug 31 by ElderGrizzly |
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The demonisation of the left in a nutshell. | |
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| There are 11 characteristics of fascism on 08:51 - Aug 31 with 1513 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| There are 11 characteristics of fascism on 08:17 - Aug 31 by ElderGrizzly |
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Well yeah......but masons! |  |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:53 - Aug 31 with 1512 views | gordon |
If Trump loses the election (and it will definitely be close either way), when he claims that the election was rigged and the result illegitimate, will anyone be able to actually get him out of the White House? If so, how? Who will the army and the judiciary side with? |  | | |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 09:10 - Aug 31 with 1484 views | Oldsmoker |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:53 - Aug 31 by gordon |
If Trump loses the election (and it will definitely be close either way), when he claims that the election was rigged and the result illegitimate, will anyone be able to actually get him out of the White House? If so, how? Who will the army and the judiciary side with? |
If the result suggests he's lost by a narrow margin then Trump is going to go into Facist-on-Steroids mode.
I'm hoping that political commentators in the UK will point to Trump and America, when Johnson and his cabal try the same tactics, and say we don't want that here. | |
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| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 11:10 - Aug 31 with 1457 views | monytowbray |
| Can we call it fascism yet, pt. 283 on 08:35 - Aug 31 by Oldsmoker |
One month after you posted this and the recent RNC at the White House, I think I can confidently say that Yes, this is facism. |
Wait until Brexit kicks in and we get this on our side of the pond.
And we’ve done even less than the US to uncover our corruption at the top. | |
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