| Oh - this is just brilliant 08:48 - Aug 6 with 24452 views | homer_123 |
Not only are the 50 million masks useless and not fit for purposes but the £252 million pound contract was to Ayanda Capital - and get this:
"It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.
But he told the BBC his position played no part in the awarding of the contract."
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"The government has also disclosed that the original approach to sell the masks came not from Ayanda Capital but from a businessman called Andrew Mills.
His company, Prospermill, had secured the rights to the full production capacity of a large factory in China to produce masks and was able to offer a large quantity almost immediately.
But the legal document seen by the BBC notes that Mr Mills requested the government instead sign the contract for the masks with Ayanda Capital, whose board he advises, because it could arrange overseas payment more quickly."
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:49 - Aug 6 with 7413 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:46 - Aug 6 by GlasgowBlue |
This really looks bad. Very bad. |
I despair, I really do.
When staunch Conservatives such as yourself are criticising this kind of practise it's clear that we've absolutely lost our way, I just don't see how we're going to turn this around?!
The Cat's out the bag, the UK is a country riddled with corruption. |  | | |
| Balance? FFS on 10:51 - Aug 6 with 7402 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Balance? FFS on 10:28 - Aug 6 by Dyland |
Are you a troll or just an idiot? The company was not a surgical mask manufacturer.
I am fed up with this SH1T.
It is large scale corruption pure and simple and it's gone on in the UK for many decades and centuries but it's all less obvious for whatever reason unless you read Private Eye or suchlike, until now. This is something straight out of the "third world", apologies if there's a different term and that's offensive now.
We need a taskforce to hold these people to account. I doubt this government has the ability. It is rotten to the very core.
EDIT: Hampers... it's nothing to do with party politics. Died in the wool Conservative voters should be as up in arms as anyone. It's about conflict of interests and a lack of due diligence. As Stevers and others have commented it's both incompetence and corruption. [Post edited 6 Aug 2020 10:50]
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I have a degree in that offensive title....could explain a lot now I think about it! |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:54 - Aug 6 with 7406 views | Dyland |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:49 - Aug 6 by Libero |
I despair, I really do.
When staunch Conservatives such as yourself are criticising this kind of practise it's clear that we've absolutely lost our way, I just don't see how we're going to turn this around?!
The Cat's out the bag, the UK is a country riddled with corruption. |
Quite right Glassers is critical. Most old school (for want of a better term, sorry Glassers) Conservatives will be. The government is not representative of UK political Conservatism. They are a disgrace. I said the same about Blair's government at the end, around foreign policy rather than betraying the Labour movement. New Labour was more akin to traditional Labour than Corbyn's abominable effort.
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:54 - Aug 6 with 7399 views | bournemouthblue |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:49 - Aug 6 by Libero |
I despair, I really do.
When staunch Conservatives such as yourself are criticising this kind of practise it's clear that we've absolutely lost our way, I just don't see how we're going to turn this around?!
The Cat's out the bag, the UK is a country riddled with corruption. |
What's worse is the public don't seem to realise it's happening
Yet they'll be appalled that the leader opposition hasn't worn a tie or didn't sing the national anthem
The way politics is covered in the UK is partly why we are where we are now |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:55 - Aug 6 with 7389 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:48 - Aug 6 by bournemouthblue |
See there was a smug Question Time audience member a little while back who said the problem with Socialism is you run out of spending other people's money much to the laughter of the audience
The problem with that argument is the idea the right wing are any better at spending it
In many cases they are far worse because they take Tax Payers money and give it to private companies to do the jobs the government should be doing [Post edited 6 Aug 2020 10:51]
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Now all I can see is Donald Rumsfeld ! | |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:55 - Aug 6 with 7388 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:54 - Aug 6 by Dyland |
Quite right Glassers is critical. Most old school (for want of a better term, sorry Glassers) Conservatives will be. The government is not representative of UK political Conservatism. They are a disgrace. I said the same about Blair's government at the end, around foreign policy rather than betraying the Labour movement. New Labour was more akin to traditional Labour than Corbyn's abominable effort.
FFS |
Yup, a new "third way" is needed and pronto, but I just can't see it happening.
We're living through historical times, in many ways. | | | |
| Arf on 10:55 - Aug 6 with 7387 views | Dyland |
| Balance? FFS on 10:51 - Aug 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I have a degree in that offensive title....could explain a lot now I think about it! |
I genuinely don't know if it's considered inappropriate now. Developing World maybe?
Whatever :) | |
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| bravo on 10:56 - Aug 6 with 7376 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| bravo on 10:43 - Aug 6 by Dyland |
A typo though...
"... the freedom to do this withOUT intereference or scrutiny."
The UK political landscape has been irreparably ruined. Our two main parties have been fooked over. Never forgive Momentum for ruining the Labour Party. START ANOTHER PARTY YOU IDIOTS. The biggest foot shooting in recent political history. As for the Tories, I guess there are books or tracts about how they have been manipulated to become so corrupt and venal and amoral. I don't believe it's simply a case of populism and opportunism.
Will something new, for better or worse, arise? Or will it just muddle along as it always has done? |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:58 - Aug 6 with 7368 views | Dyland |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:55 - Aug 6 by Libero |
Yup, a new "third way" is needed and pronto, but I just can't see it happening.
We're living through historical times, in many ways. |
Trump will win a second term and Bojo will as well.
It is turkeys voting for Christmas.
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:59 - Aug 6 with 7360 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:54 - Aug 6 by bournemouthblue |
What's worse is the public don't seem to realise it's happening
Yet they'll be appalled that the leader opposition hasn't worn a tie or didn't sing the national anthem
The way politics is covered in the UK is partly why we are where we are now |
Honestly, watching that Murdoch documentary and realising not only the sway that he has carried for decades but just how easily manoeuvred and manipulated the average person is, was eye opening.
How can we escape this never ending groundhog day? Any new party would require the support of the likes of Murdoch to even be considered, why would they support any party that may potentially limit their profit margins and operations?
We're f*cked mate, it's an absolute dumpster fire.
F*ck this government and f*ck any one who voted for them. | | | |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:00 - Aug 6 with 7361 views | Ryorry |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:54 - Aug 6 by bournemouthblue |
What's worse is the public don't seem to realise it's happening
Yet they'll be appalled that the leader opposition hasn't worn a tie or didn't sing the national anthem
The way politics is covered in the UK is partly why we are where we are now |
I'll probably get shot down in flames, but for things like this twitter can be very useful. If it gets RT'd enough by people with v. large followings & goes viral, msm do sometimes pick those things up. |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:01 - Aug 6 with 7351 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:00 - Aug 6 by Ryorry |
I'll probably get shot down in flames, but for things like this twitter can be very useful. If it gets RT'd enough by people with v. large followings & goes viral, msm do sometimes pick those things up. |
You're suggesting Twitter is going to unpick decades of corruption? Deary me. | | | |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:02 - Aug 6 with 7341 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue |
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit.
Business makes surgical masks - yawn.
Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy
He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry
He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses
Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime.
That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out.
When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance. |
There's no positive spin on this. It stinks. |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:07 - Aug 6 with 7324 views | Ryorry |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:01 - Aug 6 by Libero |
You're suggesting Twitter is going to unpick decades of corruption? Deary me. |
No, I said that it could help publicise it, as someone said it wasn't/wouldn't be picked up by msm. | |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:08 - Aug 6 with 7320 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:07 - Aug 6 by Ryorry |
No, I said that it could help publicise it, as someone said it wasn't/wouldn't be picked up by msm. |
I'm sure right now there are people pontificating on this very subject on Twitter and various other social media platforms, it won't change a dot. | | | |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:17 - Aug 6 with 7301 views | Ryorry |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:08 - Aug 6 by Libero |
I'm sure right now there are people pontificating on this very subject on Twitter and various other social media platforms, it won't change a dot. |
Like I said, things going viral are sometimes picked up by even msm like the evening news on BBC/ITV, which lack of exposure is what somebody on this thread had highlighted.
Nobody's suggested that will change anything this Govt. actually does | |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:21 - Aug 6 with 7299 views | mrshallisfit |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue |
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit.
Business makes surgical masks - yawn.
Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy
He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry
He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses
Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime.
That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out.
When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance. |
The fact that we did have one of the highest fatality rates in the world rather undermines much of your post. |  | | |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:21 - Aug 6 with 7298 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:17 - Aug 6 by Ryorry |
Like I said, things going viral are sometimes picked up by even msm like the evening news on BBC/ITV, which lack of exposure is what somebody on this thread had highlighted.
Nobody's suggested that will change anything this Govt. actually does |
So it might get reported, but it won't change anything, gotcha.
Unfortunately that's precisely the kind of thing that dulls people's senses and normalises this kind of wide scale corruption.
It's a desperate state of affairs, it really is. | | | |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:23 - Aug 6 with 7284 views | Ryorry |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:21 - Aug 6 by Libero |
So it might get reported, but it won't change anything, gotcha.
Unfortunately that's precisely the kind of thing that dulls people's senses and normalises this kind of wide scale corruption.
It's a desperate state of affairs, it really is. |
Yes, indeed. | |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:24 - Aug 6 with 7283 views | Steve_M |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:21 - Aug 6 by mrshallisfit |
The fact that we did have one of the highest fatality rates in the world rather undermines much of your post. |
Well, that and the rest of it. |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:26 - Aug 6 with 7268 views | Libero |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:24 - Aug 6 by Steve_M |
Well, that and the rest of it. |
Does it count as a "pile on" if you're considered unambiguously and unanimously incorrect?
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| Balance? FFS on 11:32 - Aug 6 with 7253 views | Ryorry |
| Balance? FFS on 10:28 - Aug 6 by Dyland |
Are you a troll or just an idiot? The company was not a surgical mask manufacturer.
I am fed up with this SH1T.
It is large scale corruption pure and simple and it's gone on in the UK for many decades and centuries but it's all less obvious for whatever reason unless you read Private Eye or suchlike, until now. This is something straight out of the "third world", apologies if there's a different term and that's offensive now.
We need a taskforce to hold these people to account. I doubt this government has the ability. It is rotten to the very core.
EDIT: Hampers... it's nothing to do with party politics. Died in the wool Conservative voters should be as up in arms as anyone. It's about conflict of interests and a lack of due diligence. As Stevers and others have commented it's both incompetence and corruption. [Post edited 6 Aug 2020 10:50]
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Btw, forgot to say also in my previous post responding to this that a couple of years ago I posted on here that we needed a new party combining best aspects of Labour & Green (focussing on manufacturing renewables etc etc) & tried to get something along those lines off the ground here.
Suffice to say it stalled within days as I couldn't find anyone with an economics background willing to be Chancellor - in fact no-one except Vilanova Blue was willing to actually *do* anything! | |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:46 - Aug 6 with 7217 views | Herbivore |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue |
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit.
Business makes surgical masks - yawn.
Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy
He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry
He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses
Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime.
That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out.
When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance. |
That's not balance, it's total fantasy. You've completely lost your head this past year or so. The lengths you'll go to so you can turn a blind eye to the government's heady combination of corruption and ineptitude are quite staggering. |  |
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| Oh - this is just brilliant on 11:49 - Aug 6 with 7209 views | vilanovablue |
| Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue |
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit.
Business makes surgical masks - yawn.
Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy
He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry
He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses
Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime.
That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out.
When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance. |
It's perfectly possible to supply the Government quickly without even needing a tender process. These processes do however have scrutiny and checks in place rather than doing stuff poorly and in a rush, I say this as someone who works for a government supplier. |  | | |
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at the current state of how the UK is being run by the bunch of profiteering, immoral, treachorous, selfish, uncaring, beyond stupid, bum-dribbling buffoons in cabinet alongside cummings-and-goings.