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Not only are the 50 million masks useless and not fit for purposes but the £252 million pound contract was to Ayanda Capital - and get this:
"It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.
But he told the BBC his position played no part in the awarding of the contract."
and
"The government has also disclosed that the original approach to sell the masks came not from Ayanda Capital but from a businessman called Andrew Mills.
His company, Prospermill, had secured the rights to the full production capacity of a large factory in China to produce masks and was able to offer a large quantity almost immediately.
But the legal document seen by the BBC notes that Mr Mills requested the government instead sign the contract for the masks with Ayanda Capital, whose board he advises, because it could arrange overseas payment more quickly."
Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:49 - Aug 6 by Libero
I despair, I really do.
When staunch Conservatives such as yourself are criticising this kind of practise it's clear that we've absolutely lost our way, I just don't see how we're going to turn this around?!
The Cat's out the bag, the UK is a country riddled with corruption.
Glassers isn't a staunch Conservative. Sure, he still attacks most things non-conservative, presumably that's become ingrained, but his actions are not those of this bunch of lying frauds. They're barely aligned with one nation Tory values. We'll get him in sandals yet I reckon
Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit. Business makes surgical masks - yawn. Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime. That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out. When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance.
then they are some posters who write this sort of thing and when loads of other posters reply this is rubbish . the old i'm being bullied and the rest are piling in ,comes out.
'When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.' so later on the old ' lessons will learned' will be trotted out, but they never are
forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows
Btw, forgot to say also in my previous post responding to this that a couple of years ago I posted on here that we needed a new party combining best aspects of Labour & Green (focussing on manufacturing renewables etc etc) & tried to get something along those lines off the ground here.
Suffice to say it stalled within days as I couldn't find anyone with an economics background willing to be Chancellor - in fact no-one except Vilanova Blue was willing to actually *do* anything!
Having been a member of both at some point during the last decade, I'd say that's pretty much what the Labour Party was under Corbyn.
When I joined the Greens, I went to a meeting where the majority of new members were ex-Labour (with a fair number also having abandoned the Lib Dems). After Corbyn became leader, there was a bit of a reversal.
I suspect this flow is probably going to resume going the other way, if it hasn't already.
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Oh - this is just brilliant on 12:45 - Aug 6 with 6942 views
Oh - this is just brilliant on 10:23 - Aug 6 by Bluefish
Read through that earlier and a similar one a month or so ago. It keeps getting worse and should surely be huge news. I'm not one of these that slate the media and governments for everything but this is a shocker. People need to at least lose jobs if not be prosecuted. I just think we wont hear for this again.
It also makes those that constantly distrust the media and government (and constantly talk about them) worse because they now have a justification to hate everything and everyone. Something about lizards 🦎
Steady on.
I hate the media and the government because this is NORMAL.
If you're actually shocked by this then you need to get out (and read) more.
Having been a member of both at some point during the last decade, I'd say that's pretty much what the Labour Party was under Corbyn.
When I joined the Greens, I went to a meeting where the majority of new members were ex-Labour (with a fair number also having abandoned the Lib Dems). After Corbyn became leader, there was a bit of a reversal.
I suspect this flow is probably going to resume going the other way, if it hasn't already.
Indeed. It's pretty much why Monbiot who is probably the most committed environmental commentator in the UK shifted to supporting Labour by the time of the 2019 election.
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Oh - this is just brilliant on 12:55 - Aug 6 with 6905 views
Oh - this is just brilliant on 12:01 - Aug 6 by Swansea_Blue
Glassers isn't a staunch Conservative. Sure, he still attacks most things non-conservative, presumably that's become ingrained, but his actions are not those of this bunch of lying frauds. They're barely aligned with one nation Tory values. We'll get him in sandals yet I reckon
He jabs well against Johnson and the loons. Pity it's invariably followed by a wild haymaker to the left.
Are you a troll or just an idiot? The company was not a surgical mask manufacturer.
I am fed up with this SH1T.
It is large scale corruption pure and simple and it's gone on in the UK for many decades and centuries but it's all less obvious for whatever reason unless you read Private Eye or suchlike, until now. This is something straight out of the "third world", apologies if there's a different term and that's offensive now.
We need a taskforce to hold these people to account. I doubt this government has the ability. It is rotten to the very core.
EDIT: Hampers... it's nothing to do with party politics. Died in the wool Conservative voters should be as up in arms as anyone. It's about conflict of interests and a lack of due diligence. As Stevers and others have commented it's both incompetence and corruption.
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My point is that in times of mild panic then you've got to expect things to be done without all the normal process.
I want it right as much as the next man but am just putting the argument that getting things done in a serious hurry means you have to circumvent some rules.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Having been a member of both at some point during the last decade, I'd say that's pretty much what the Labour Party was under Corbyn.
When I joined the Greens, I went to a meeting where the majority of new members were ex-Labour (with a fair number also having abandoned the Lib Dems). After Corbyn became leader, there was a bit of a reversal.
I suspect this flow is probably going to resume going the other way, if it hasn't already.
Surely the party with the best aspects of Labour and the Greens are the LibDems. Especialy at grass roots level.
Would make complete sense for the LibDems and the Greens to merge and get far better parliamentary representation
My point is that in times of mild panic then you've got to expect things to be done without all the normal process.
I want it right as much as the next man but am just putting the argument that getting things done in a serious hurry means you have to circumvent some rules.
But if you're going to do things quickly wouldn't you be better off chucking the money at an established company with a proven track record of manufacturing or supplying PPE or related products rather than just giving it to your mates? That's the issue here. They've given that money to companies they have proven links with but who have absolutely no track record of supplying usable PPE. If you think that's okay then there's really no hope for you.
Surely the party with the best aspects of Labour and the Greens are the LibDems. Especialy at grass roots level.
Would make complete sense for the LibDems and the Greens to merge and get far better parliamentary representation
During the Charles Kennedy era I would agree, but since then the Lib Dems have largely been to the right of both parties, so I don't think they could be considered the middle ground between Labour and the Greens. I don't really know what (if any) good ideas the Lib Dems actually have, or what they really stand for anymore.
Most Greens I know have an affinity with Labour. I don't think the same is the case with the Lib Dems, particularly after the direction Nick Clegg took them in. Maybe things could change if Layla Moran wins the leadership, but a merger with Labour would be far more likely than the Lib Dems.
My point is that in times of mild panic then you've got to expect things to be done without all the normal process.
I want it right as much as the next man but am just putting the argument that getting things done in a serious hurry means you have to circumvent some rules.
Don't be such a fanny, you've got people of all political persuasion telling you that you're talking cobblers. Incredible lack of humility, as per.
Surely the party with the best aspects of Labour and the Greens are the LibDems. Especialy at grass roots level.
Would make complete sense for the LibDems and the Greens to merge and get far better parliamentary representation
The Lib Dems are the only ones that seem to fight over development locally to me. Conservative and Labour Councils more than eager to concrete over our greenbelt land.
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Oh - this is just brilliant on 13:33 - Aug 6 with 6776 views
My point is that in times of mild panic then you've got to expect things to be done without all the normal process.
I want it right as much as the next man but am just putting the argument that getting things done in a serious hurry means you have to circumvent some rules.
The egregious dealing hasn't even delivered. There's no point discussing anything if you are so blinkered. You won't see what is right in front of you.
It is possibly actual corruption, caused by the worst type of cronyism. The really very serious underlying issue is the conflicts of interest, rather than the manufacturer's incompetence. That is not to trivialise the latter problem, which does of course endanger lives in the real world, which seems to be an entirely different paradigm to the one these venal, amoral chancers operate in.
Oh - this is just brilliant on 13:41 - Aug 6 by Illinoisblue
Give me the TLDR, I can't stand wading through the garbage that's on Twitter.
EDIT: Scrap that, I clicked the link and realised I won't have to read a bunch of normies comments and pontifications and can just see what this chap has published.
Silly platform to do it on in my opinion, but very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Oh - this is just brilliant on 13:44 - Aug 6 with 6749 views
Oh - this is just brilliant on 13:42 - Aug 6 by Libero
Give me the TLDR, I can't stand wading through the garbage that's on Twitter.
EDIT: Scrap that, I clicked the link and realised I won't have to read a bunch of normies comments and pontifications and can just see what this chap has published.
Silly platform to do it on in my opinion, but very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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"We blew over £150m and Andrew Mills (a Government adviser) seems to have made a fortune."
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What a lot of nonsense on 13:46 - Aug 6 with 6737 views
The egregious dealing hasn't even delivered. There's no point discussing anything if you are so blinkered. You won't see what is right in front of you.
It is possibly actual corruption, caused by the worst type of cronyism. The really very serious underlying issue is the conflicts of interest, rather than the manufacturer's incompetence. That is not to trivialise the latter problem, which does of course endanger lives in the real world, which seems to be an entirely different paradigm to the one these venal, amoral chancers operate in.
Indeed.
And we did very similar over the ventilators but as no-one cared much about that then they upped the ante for PPE.
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Oh - this is just brilliant on 13:49 - Aug 6 with 6724 views
Oh - this is just brilliant on 09:44 - Aug 6 by hampstead_blue
How about this.
Bloke has a business - aim is to make a profit. Business makes surgical masks - yawn. Pandemic strikes - masks become sexy He calls the Gov to sell them some - they are in a mad hurry He tells Gov he can get the supply chain sorted - using another of his businesses Stuff happens really quickly in a national emergency
Now, imagine the normal Gov tender regime. That takes months. Specs are agreed internally, sent to tender, companies bid, bids are checked, spec checked, samples sent, checked, back to bid.....
Time marches on.....NOTHING happens. People die.
I'm not surprised this has happened but it's far from the shower you make out. When you are in a mad hurry mistakes are made.
I'd rather the Gov made a few mistakes in these times than sat there with technical and slow but accurate tender processes.....the body bags would then be stacking-up but eventually you'd get the right masks......
Jus a balance.
You'll defend anything as long as it's done by someone wearing a blue rosette
I've checked my sources, Chris Grayling had nothing to do with this. That means there is another f*ckwit in government who can do Chris Graylingesque c*ck-ups. God help us.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Oh - this is just brilliant on 14:29 - Aug 6 by Oldsmoker
I've checked my sources, Chris Grayling had nothing to do with this. That means there is another f*ckwit in government who can do Chris Graylingesque c*ck-ups. God help us.
Luckily the UK has a magic source of endless cash, in the form of a tree.
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