| Hard to know what to think of that game... 15:51 - Aug 25 with 7425 views | itfcjoe |
....some good signs but some really bad too.
Defensively we look shaky, but then we are up against Haller, Yarmalenko and Diangana which is serious talent and not like what we will face in league 1
Going forwards we look OK and get in some good positions - but as willing as Drinan is he doesn't look like he'll ever score.
Some decent performances, my biggest worries are Holy's communication at the back, and that without Norwood or Hawkins leading the line this style is destined to fail.
Obviously there was the big error from Chambers, which worries, but like Cornell on Saturday I can't say it's a massive concern in a friendly. I'd like to see us start a first choice team on Saturday |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:25 - Aug 26 with 868 views | textbackup |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:20 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
Oh right, you're questioning his commitment rather than his leadership on the pitch then. Which is also b0llocks. |
nope, I said chucking arms around doesn't equal 100%. which it doesn't, unless u think it does.
but im sure "mr Norwich know it all" will again be unable to provide evidence to back up his own obsession with a poor footballer and has been our leader in the clubs worse 10 years. |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:26 - Aug 26 with 866 views | Bluefish |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:23 - Aug 26 by crossyitfc |
What an odd analogy |
An odd analogy is fitting for the odd singling out of Chambers |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:30 - Aug 26 with 847 views | Herbivore |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:25 - Aug 26 by textbackup |
nope, I said chucking arms around doesn't equal 100%. which it doesn't, unless u think it does.
but im sure "mr Norwich know it all" will again be unable to provide evidence to back up his own obsession with a poor footballer and has been our leader in the clubs worse 10 years. |
So you are questioning his commitment, you're suggesting he doesn't give 100% whilst spouting some childish nonsense about throwing arms around.
I know he was one of Mick's top blokes and you are still hurting over the Mick era for some reason, but I really don't even know what you're prattling on about now. For all Chambo's limitations as a footballer, I don't think you can question his effort. And by the way, you're the one coming over a bit obsessed here. I'm making the rather modest point that Chambers continues to be one of our best two CBs and is our captain and that's why he should be picked. |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:35 - Aug 26 with 825 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:26 - Aug 26 by Bluefish |
An odd analogy is fitting for the odd singling out of Chambers |
Mate, you've been singling Gwion Edwards out for about 12 months. |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:36 - Aug 26 with 822 views | Bluefish |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:35 - Aug 26 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Mate, you've been singling Gwion Edwards out for about 12 months. |
We have better players to replace him, not difficult to follow is it? | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:40 - Aug 26 with 816 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:36 - Aug 26 by Bluefish |
We have better players to replace him, not difficult to follow is it? |
That's in your opinion.
No different to someone (textbackup) thinking that Chambers should be replaced.
Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind here. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:48 - Aug 26 with 804 views | textbackup |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:30 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
So you are questioning his commitment, you're suggesting he doesn't give 100% whilst spouting some childish nonsense about throwing arms around.
I know he was one of Mick's top blokes and you are still hurting over the Mick era for some reason, but I really don't even know what you're prattling on about now. For all Chambo's limitations as a footballer, I don't think you can question his effort. And by the way, you're the one coming over a bit obsessed here. I'm making the rather modest point that Chambers continues to be one of our best two CBs and is our captain and that's why he should be picked. |
cant remember the last time I gave Micks era a thought, and whenever I have it would have been in regret that we are a sht boring championship team, so that puts that pathetic effort to belittle me to bed. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:52 - Aug 26 with 791 views | Herbivore |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:48 - Aug 26 by textbackup |
cant remember the last time I gave Micks era a thought, and whenever I have it would have been in regret that we are a sht boring championship team, so that puts that pathetic effort to belittle me to bed. |
Not really mate, the middle part of that post rather confirms my point rather than puts it to bed. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:52 - Aug 26 with 791 views | JDB23 |
Chambers is gash, however he is slightly less gash than Wilson/Nsiala so until Evans gets his finger out and actively tries to bring in a better CB, I don't think we have much choice.
That doesn't make him immune from criticism but it is sad to see a good servant to the club die a slow death because we haven't tried to strengthen that area. |  | | |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:56 - Aug 26 with 777 views | Bluefish |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:40 - Aug 26 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
That's in your opinion.
No different to someone (textbackup) thinking that Chambers should be replaced.
Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind here. |
Let's give you another try here....
Chambers is in the best 2 in our squad in his position
Gwion isn't anywhere near being in the best 2, he is in a category with wilson of dire squad filler | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:01 - Aug 26 with 765 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:22 - Aug 26 by Chrisd |
I believe someone else posted this suggestion yesterday, but what about dropping Huws back to play CB alongside Woolfenden? He's got the physical presence, he's decent on the ball, can pass with confidence and would be composed when carrying it into the midfield areas. He'd also bring that awareness too. I really can't see it happening and it is very much a curve-ball, but I don't feel it's out of the realms of possibility. Most midfielders work their way back towards defence as their career lengthens or their legs are beginning to go. I'm not saying that's the case with Huws, but perhaps there is a niche there in going forwards. |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:04 - Aug 26 with 760 views | Dubtractor |
I know right?
Literally the worst suggestion I've seen on here in some time. A relatively lightweight attacking midfield player, who is made of glass, as a CB? Just because he has the ability to pass the ball. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 10:07]
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:09 - Aug 26 with 748 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:56 - Aug 26 by Bluefish |
Let's give you another try here....
Chambers is in the best 2 in our squad in his position
Gwion isn't anywhere near being in the best 2, he is in a category with wilson of dire squad filler |
No, let's give you another try here...
Some people think Chambers is in the best 2 in our squad, and needs replacing, thats called an opinion.
You think Gwion isn't in the best 2 for wide options, thats called an opinion.
Like I said, you get the hump when people think Chambers isn't good enough, yet you have that same opinion and spout it about Edwards.....
Hence, pot calling the kettle black..... | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:16 - Aug 26 with 730 views | Chrisd |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:04 - Aug 26 by Dubtractor |
I know right?
Literally the worst suggestion I've seen on here in some time. A relatively lightweight attacking midfield player, who is made of glass, as a CB? Just because he has the ability to pass the ball. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 10:07]
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To be fair, there has been plenty worse than that suggestion from what I've read. I'd like to see whether he can do the job. When we have CB options like Wilson and Nsaila, it's worth having a look at. Midfielders can make very decent CBs, Roy Keane springs to mind both for Forest and ROI. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:21 - Aug 26 with 720 views | Dubtractor |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:16 - Aug 26 by Chrisd |
To be fair, there has been plenty worse than that suggestion from what I've read. I'd like to see whether he can do the job. When we have CB options like Wilson and Nsaila, it's worth having a look at. Midfielders can make very decent CBs, Roy Keane springs to mind both for Forest and ROI. |
I get that some midfielders can drop into a back 4 and do a job, I just think that Huws is utterly unsuited to it. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:28 - Aug 26 with 708 views | Chrisd |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:21 - Aug 26 by Dubtractor |
I get that some midfielders can drop into a back 4 and do a job, I just think that Huws is utterly unsuited to it. |
It's a game of opinions Dubtractor. I'd like to see whether he could play there he does tick a lot of boxes and it frees up that overload in CM, but as you rightly highlight his injury record isn't great. However, it might just be a role that suits him. Neither Wilson or Nsiala feel me with confidence. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:36 - Aug 26 with 687 views | Herbivore |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:16 - Aug 26 by Chrisd |
To be fair, there has been plenty worse than that suggestion from what I've read. I'd like to see whether he can do the job. When we have CB options like Wilson and Nsaila, it's worth having a look at. Midfielders can make very decent CBs, Roy Keane springs to mind both for Forest and ROI. |
I'm not sure I've seen a worse suggestion than thinking Huws - who at his best is a forward thinking box to box midfielder - should be given a go as a centre back. There is literally nothing about Huws and the way he plays that suggests he could or should be tried at centre back. | |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:47 - Aug 26 with 669 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 09:03 - Aug 26 by itfcjoe |
I personally really don't think that was the case last year, everything he does is jumped upon - bearing in mind he was a regular then these stats show very clearly where the problem was:
Played 36 Games
Clean Sheets - 13 clean sheets
36% of games, only 4 clubs with better percentage - Gillingham, Oxford, Coventry, Peterborough
Failed to score - 13 times
36% of games, only 4 clubs with worse percentage - Tranmere, Shrewsbury, Bristol Rovers, Bolton
We scored the first goal 14 times
P14 - W11 - D3
We conceded the first goal 15 times
P15 - W3 - L12
But finges continue to be pointed at the defence, and Chambers in particular - when realistically with even a half decent attack we'd have easily made the play offs.
If the attack gave the defence anything to defend they usually did it and got us over the line. If the defence conceded first we might as well pack up and go home as the attack couldn't ever get them out of trouble |
Those are very interesting stats.
I think we spent too much of last season with the impression we could win games simply by keeping the ball. We kept possession far too often without offering any real threat. That, to me, was a tactical thing because we have the players to create and take chances.
The big thing that has to be different for me this season is that we must showing far more attacking intent and purpose. More running at the opposition from whoever is wide and in central areas, more through balls. If we lose possession and are caught on the break sometimes sobeit. At this level, many teams do not take too high a percentage of their chances anyway. Even Haller missed a few on Tuesday. We need to take the view that we will outscore the opposition without being utterly wreckless. |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:58 - Aug 26 with 654 views | Steve_M |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 10:47 - Aug 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Those are very interesting stats.
I think we spent too much of last season with the impression we could win games simply by keeping the ball. We kept possession far too often without offering any real threat. That, to me, was a tactical thing because we have the players to create and take chances.
The big thing that has to be different for me this season is that we must showing far more attacking intent and purpose. More running at the opposition from whoever is wide and in central areas, more through balls. If we lose possession and are caught on the break sometimes sobeit. At this level, many teams do not take too high a percentage of their chances anyway. Even Haller missed a few on Tuesday. We need to take the view that we will outscore the opposition without being utterly wreckless. |
As much as that the constant changes in set up and approach left us struggling from November onwards once other clubs had established patterns of play, we seemed to take the view that our better players would just win us matches.
It was notable that our good January came from settling on a system and playing it consistently. Before it all fell apart for the second time in the season. |  |
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| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 11:59 - Aug 26 with 616 views | patrickswell |
| Hard to know what to think of that game... on 08:31 - Aug 26 by textbackup |
As a captain, what does he bring to the team? aren't they suppose to lead by example?
he doesn't particularly rally the troops.
for what its worth I really don't think he should be match day captain, club captain maybe, if he has to be badged with something. but a new voice is desperately needed out there in the team for 90mins. churning him out weekly to say the same things that have failed so miserably is part of the downfall. |
Looking at last season - generally acknowledged by fans as a dismal failure of a campaign, it strikes me that Chambers, Wilson and Woolfenden can be happy with what they did last season. We conceded 36 goals in league games and 9 of those goals were shipped across 2 matches. So that’s 27 goals conceded in 34 games. I remember Chambers errors leading to goals vs Sunderland and at Peterborough in August, early in the campaign but no real clangers thereafter.
I’d say he and the backline did pretty well given that they had a different goalkeeper playing behind them most weeks and - Downes excepted - a powderpuff midfield which lacked inspiration or a goal-threat from the new year onwards.
As Bart said in his exit interview “If we concede, we haven’t got enough to get it back.” And I’m sure it was the knowledge of that which lead Chambers to look so down in the mouth when we fell behind in games during February/March. |  | | |
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