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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June 20:06 - Aug 27 with 5828 viewsElderGrizzly

Up 474 on yesterday and the graph trajectory isn’t pretty

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 22:26 - Aug 27 with 2358 viewsBrazilsnuts

Because more people are getting tested, as long as hospital admissions remain low that is the main thing, excess deaths have also been exaggerated by how our government reports on them, Simone could be due to die tomorrow of alcoholism but if they had a whiff of corona virus then their death goes to that which is just wrong! It’s a pandemic so shouldn’t be underestimated but neither should it be used to scare monger or con the public
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 22:34 - Aug 27 with 2356 viewsBlueBadger

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 22:26 - Aug 27 by Brazilsnuts

Because more people are getting tested, as long as hospital admissions remain low that is the main thing, excess deaths have also been exaggerated by how our government reports on them, Simone could be due to die tomorrow of alcoholism but if they had a whiff of corona virus then their death goes to that which is just wrong! It’s a pandemic so shouldn’t be underestimated but neither should it be used to scare monger or con the public


Simone's alcoholism will likely have weakened her physical reserve to fight things such as covid.

On the other hand, covid's propensity to mess with the body's blood clotting(for example) will have sent all kinds of micro-clots into the kidneys to exacerbate the hepato-renal failure that ultimately kills her, it might also damage lungs which are filled with fluid(pleural effusions happen in around 10% of all cases of alcoholic liver disease) and already struggling.

So your simplistic claim here that it exists of itself and doesn't feed anything else and so the figures must be wrong is...just wrong.

[Post edited 27 Aug 2020 23:04]

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 01:50 - Aug 28 with 2273 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

Surely because we’re testing more, we will obviously have more cases? Or is that incorrect? Apologies if so

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 05:43 - Aug 28 with 2231 viewsIPS_wich

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 20:19 - Aug 27 by catch74

We’re following France post lockdown - they’re up to over 4000 new cases but deaths staying very low at 4 today (they were in the 1000’s new cases a couple of weeks ago too.h
It does feel like something has changed, whether it’s the treatment available now or the virus weakening it is clearly less deadly. Another possibility is the age of the population getting it - those in danger will be far better shielded now.


In part it's wishful thinking.

There is always a lag between the number of positive cases starting to rise and the number of deaths rising. It's because everyone has got rapid and targeted testing systems in place, so you can spot the spikes in transmission quickly, but the virus is a slow(ish) death so it's normally 2-3 weeks after the cases start to rise that the deaths start to rise.

If you look at the numbers in Victoria, Australia - the number of new cases have started to drop in the last ten days after six weeks of rising; but in the last week, deaths have increased day by day.

That said, I do think the death rate will be lower, partly because those who are vulnerable understand the severity and are doing what they can to avoid catching it. But, again, if you look at Victoria - there are still a handful of 30-40 somethings who are dying from it, there are still a number of front line health workers getting it and if it takes hold in an old people's home then it can be catastrophic.

One final factor (and sorry if this is too doom and gloom); but there is increasing evidence that transmission is reduced in hot weather because the virus doesn't survive as long in hot air - and the recent outbreaks in Australia have been in winter - which means Europe needs to be on standby for a bad winter. Especially as the second wave of the Spanish Flu in 1918/19 was far more deadly than the first precisely because of the change in temperature.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 07:19 - Aug 28 with 2194 viewsm14_blue

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 22:26 - Aug 27 by Brazilsnuts

Because more people are getting tested, as long as hospital admissions remain low that is the main thing, excess deaths have also been exaggerated by how our government reports on them, Simone could be due to die tomorrow of alcoholism but if they had a whiff of corona virus then their death goes to that which is just wrong! It’s a pandemic so shouldn’t be underestimated but neither should it be used to scare monger or con the public


I’m not sure you understand what excess deaths are.

That measure removes all the variables around recording and reporting, that’s the whole point.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 07:37 - Aug 28 with 2166 viewspointofblue

Wasn’t it always likely to rise, firstly due to the increase in testing and secondly due to the relaxation of lockdown?

One thing which seems to still be promoted on the press, without words being said, is the hope that Covid-19 will be eradicated but surely it will never be gone for good? It’s from the same family as the common cold and flu; it’ll never go away. The best hope is a vaccine to help the most vulnerable in society and developed understanding of treatment. But it will surely have peaks and troughs, year by year, just as the common strains do?

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 08:30 - Aug 28 with 2128 viewsbluelagos

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 07:37 - Aug 28 by pointofblue

Wasn’t it always likely to rise, firstly due to the increase in testing and secondly due to the relaxation of lockdown?

One thing which seems to still be promoted on the press, without words being said, is the hope that Covid-19 will be eradicated but surely it will never be gone for good? It’s from the same family as the common cold and flu; it’ll never go away. The best hope is a vaccine to help the most vulnerable in society and developed understanding of treatment. But it will surely have peaks and troughs, year by year, just as the common strains do?


Fair comments.

The plague (Black death) from the 1300s is still around with regular outbreaks in Madagascar and a few other places.

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 09:16 - Aug 28 with 2102 viewsGuthrum

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 07:37 - Aug 28 by pointofblue

Wasn’t it always likely to rise, firstly due to the increase in testing and secondly due to the relaxation of lockdown?

One thing which seems to still be promoted on the press, without words being said, is the hope that Covid-19 will be eradicated but surely it will never be gone for good? It’s from the same family as the common cold and flu; it’ll never go away. The best hope is a vaccine to help the most vulnerable in society and developed understanding of treatment. But it will surely have peaks and troughs, year by year, just as the common strains do?


It's something of a misnomer to think of all Coronaviruses as a "family". The term is a structural one ralating to the shape of the body and its method of attachment, not to the virus' actual contents.

If transmission can be sufficiently inhibited and new outbreaks isolated, it might still be possible to kill it off. More likely is that milder strains, which do not show such obvious symptoms or incapacitate their hosts, will come to predominate. It will become largely an inconvenience, causing only small numbers of deaths among the most vulnerable in most years - similar to how Influenza operates.

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:08 - Aug 28 with 2092 viewsPendejo

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 21:00 - Aug 27 by coolcat

Would love to know where they get the cumulative stats for specific areas, like a council area, as opposed to overall stats for England, Wales, etc.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc811/msoamap/index.html

This is the nearest thing I know of to what you want due to be updated in the next week or so

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:14 - Aug 28 with 2085 viewsPendejo

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 20:51 - Aug 27 by coolcat

Areas of London reporting sudden spikes. Not a surprise, really. Here in Southwark had an email from the council to say, although numbers are low, there has been a sudden rise of 49 cases in 7 days. 4th highest in London. Hounslow on the watchlist. I think it's Brent highest followed by Hounslow, Croydon and Southwark
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Lewisham has doubled from 5/100l to 10/100l but death rate dropping.

Went from 291 to 293 over a period of months

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:17 - Aug 28 with 2083 viewsurbanblue

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 05:43 - Aug 28 by IPS_wich

In part it's wishful thinking.

There is always a lag between the number of positive cases starting to rise and the number of deaths rising. It's because everyone has got rapid and targeted testing systems in place, so you can spot the spikes in transmission quickly, but the virus is a slow(ish) death so it's normally 2-3 weeks after the cases start to rise that the deaths start to rise.

If you look at the numbers in Victoria, Australia - the number of new cases have started to drop in the last ten days after six weeks of rising; but in the last week, deaths have increased day by day.

That said, I do think the death rate will be lower, partly because those who are vulnerable understand the severity and are doing what they can to avoid catching it. But, again, if you look at Victoria - there are still a handful of 30-40 somethings who are dying from it, there are still a number of front line health workers getting it and if it takes hold in an old people's home then it can be catastrophic.

One final factor (and sorry if this is too doom and gloom); but there is increasing evidence that transmission is reduced in hot weather because the virus doesn't survive as long in hot air - and the recent outbreaks in Australia have been in winter - which means Europe needs to be on standby for a bad winter. Especially as the second wave of the Spanish Flu in 1918/19 was far more deadly than the first precisely because of the change in temperature.


Have to put you right on this. There are not a 'handful' of 30 and 40 somethings dying during the current Victoria wave. I can recall none. Nearly all the deaths have been in aged care and there have only been four deaths under 50 throughout the whole pandemic here. Interestingly, they announced the death of someone in their Twenties the other day but it's mysteriously absent from the chart published by the Australian Department of Health.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex#:~:text
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:41 - Aug 28 with 2067 viewslongtimefan

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 09:16 - Aug 28 by Guthrum

It's something of a misnomer to think of all Coronaviruses as a "family". The term is a structural one ralating to the shape of the body and its method of attachment, not to the virus' actual contents.

If transmission can be sufficiently inhibited and new outbreaks isolated, it might still be possible to kill it off. More likely is that milder strains, which do not show such obvious symptoms or incapacitate their hosts, will come to predominate. It will become largely an inconvenience, causing only small numbers of deaths among the most vulnerable in most years - similar to how Influenza operates.


Indeed. According to the ONS influenza deaths have exceeded Covid deaths since w/e 19th June and there hasn’t been any excess deaths since then until w/e 14th August, which the ONS speculates was due to the extreme temperatures that week.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:44 - Aug 28 with 2057 viewsEly_Blue

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 20:08 - Aug 27 by 26_Paz

Not good ... what’s your take on why this rise in cases doesn’t seem to be causing increases in hospital admissions? I saw an article suggesting maybe the virus is getting weaker ... is that wishful thinking?!


Or maybe we weren’t picking up all of the people with milder symptoms before as not everyone with symptoms were being tested.

Vulnerable people are now well shielded and there is more testing, more testing = more positive results

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 12:38 - Aug 28 with 2038 viewsGuthrum

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:41 - Aug 28 by longtimefan

Indeed. According to the ONS influenza deaths have exceeded Covid deaths since w/e 19th June and there hasn’t been any excess deaths since then until w/e 14th August, which the ONS speculates was due to the extreme temperatures that week.


Altho the correlation between (weather) temperature and Covid-19 infection/death rates is extremely weak, possibly non-existant. Plus, in any case, there would be a delay between any such circumstance and effect upon the rates, dfue to the disease's incubation period.

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 13:44 - Aug 28 with 1999 viewslongtimefan

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 12:38 - Aug 28 by Guthrum

Altho the correlation between (weather) temperature and Covid-19 infection/death rates is extremely weak, possibly non-existant. Plus, in any case, there would be a delay between any such circumstance and effect upon the rates, dfue to the disease's incubation period.


These were excess deaths purely in terms of the deaths that week being higher than the 5 year average. The ONS suggestion that extreme temperatures that week may have played a part in that was unrelated to specific Covid death numbers, more just that such temperatures can be fatal for the frail.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 16:30 - Aug 28 with 1960 viewsBlueBadger

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 22:34 - Aug 27 by BlueBadger

Simone's alcoholism will likely have weakened her physical reserve to fight things such as covid.

On the other hand, covid's propensity to mess with the body's blood clotting(for example) will have sent all kinds of micro-clots into the kidneys to exacerbate the hepato-renal failure that ultimately kills her, it might also damage lungs which are filled with fluid(pleural effusions happen in around 10% of all cases of alcoholic liver disease) and already struggling.

So your simplistic claim here that it exists of itself and doesn't feed anything else and so the figures must be wrong is...just wrong.

[Post edited 27 Aug 2020 23:04]


Fancy that, Brexiteer Paz doesn't want to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 18:05 - Aug 28 with 1924 viewsjaykay

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 16:30 - Aug 28 by BlueBadger

Fancy that, Brexiteer Paz doesn't want to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.


i think he is still reeling, from finding out other countries uses a t.v. licence system as well as the u.k.

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 18:43 - Aug 28 with 1906 views26_Paz

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 16:30 - Aug 28 by BlueBadger

Fancy that, Brexiteer Paz doesn't want to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.


Sorry? What are you talking about? It wasn’t me you were replying to with that post, it’s was someone called Brazilsnuts (or similar). I didn’t realise you were expecting me to respond on someone else’s behalf ...

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 19:06 - Aug 28 with 1885 viewsm14_blue

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 18:43 - Aug 28 by 26_Paz

Sorry? What are you talking about? It wasn’t me you were replying to with that post, it’s was someone called Brazilsnuts (or similar). I didn’t realise you were expecting me to respond on someone else’s behalf ...


Probably referring to your downvote tbf.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 19:23 - Aug 28 with 1871 views26_Paz

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 19:06 - Aug 28 by m14_blue

Probably referring to your downvote tbf.


Oh, that was because I didn’t like the way he was trying to belittle the guy who wrote it with the whole ‘Simone’ thing ... obvious typo ...

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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 20:12 - Aug 28 with 1845 viewsBlue12345

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 20:08 - Aug 27 by 26_Paz

Not good ... what’s your take on why this rise in cases doesn’t seem to be causing increases in hospital admissions? I saw an article suggesting maybe the virus is getting weaker ... is that wishful thinking?!


Because there is more testing. The number of cases hasn’t necessarily gone up, just the ability to test and confirm.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 21:02 - Aug 28 with 1814 viewscoolcat

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 10:08 - Aug 28 by Pendejo

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc811/msoamap/index.html

This is the nearest thing I know of to what you want due to be updated in the next week or so


Thanks for that.
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UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 15:14 - Aug 29 with 1738 viewsBlueBadger

UK sees highest number of new Covid-19 cases since mid-June on 19:23 - Aug 28 by 26_Paz

Oh, that was because I didn’t like the way he was trying to belittle the guy who wrote it with the whole ‘Simone’ thing ... obvious typo ...


Alcohol abuse has been massively on the rise in women for years now.

For the record, I was belittling him for his f*ckwitted ignorance regarding recording of deaths.

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