| Watson on KOA 11:28 - Sep 2 with 9135 views | hype313 |
Was listening to the cast earlier and Stuart made a point about the fact that when he came in it was all nice and pally with Lambert and the squad and how that didn't necessarily translate into positive performances and now he is going down the tough love route, especially given he has a long contract now. He might think if I go down i'll go down all guns blazing.
Also, is there a part of Evans thinking that the players got Hurst out and are now apparently trying to do the same with Lambert, and actually is it more an issues with the players mentality rather than the managers?
I'm not sold, personally Lambert should have gone once last season finished, but it does raise some alternative questions why Evans hasn't pulled the trigger. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:05 - Sep 2 with 3850 views | itfcjoe |
| Watson on KOA on 15:00 - Sep 2 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Against this backdrop, why did Woolfenden sign a 4 year contract only 2 months ago? |
Presumably because he gets a big pay rise? |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:05 - Sep 2 with 3849 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Watson on KOA on 15:00 - Sep 2 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Against this backdrop, why did Woolfenden sign a 4 year contract only 2 months ago? |
Because they no doubt paid him more. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:05 - Sep 2 with 3851 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| Watson on KOA on 15:00 - Sep 2 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Against this backdrop, why did Woolfenden sign a 4 year contract only 2 months ago? |
Significantly improved wages.
And the ability, like all footballers, to leave whenever he wants anyway. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:16 - Sep 2 with 3824 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Watson on KOA on 15:05 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
Presumably because he gets a big pay rise? |
No doubt. Guess everyone has their price to poke up with a toxic work place. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:22 - Sep 2 with 3806 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Watson on KOA on 15:05 - Sep 2 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Significantly improved wages.
And the ability, like all footballers, to leave whenever he wants anyway. |
LiKe when David McGoldrick was interested in joining Leicester  | |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:30 - Sep 2 with 3768 views | itfcjoe |
| Watson on KOA on 15:16 - Sep 2 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
No doubt. Guess everyone has their price to poke up with a toxic work place. |
He already had at least 2 years on his deal remaining, so wasn't exactly going anywhere in short term | |
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| Watson on KOA on 15:37 - Sep 2 with 3739 views | BlueBadger |
| Watson on KOA on 11:30 - Sep 2 by catch74 |
I think Lambert is lucky there’s no crowd for the first few games. I was just wondering how many pints he’d have to buy everyone to get behind him, big bar bill. |
Terry would only drink his on the 11th match, |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 16:18 - Sep 2 with 3693 views | longtimefan |
| Watson on KOA on 12:35 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
I think the tough love approach has been Going on longer than this pre season, but it’s against a background of a manager who demonstrably proves last year he didn’t know what he was doing. Changing shape, style, personnel on a game by game basis - no work done to get the players comforts with the upcoming games.
Players see through this - tough love May work if you’ve proven you can get results with your methods, when you’ve proven the opposite it won’t work.
That pod mentioned in OP is worth a listen from Watson if anyone gets a chance |
I’m not supporting PL but there’s nothing wrong with a tough love approach when viewed in isolation. I listened to a interview of Steven Gerrard by Gary Lineker last week, in which Gerald said that Rafa Benitez was always cold to him. He always called him “Gerrard” while using first name of everyone else in the squad. Gerrard said he assumed he was making a point that despite being Captain he was not more important than the team and that this approach always motivated him to prove himself. | | | |
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| Watson on KOA on 16:52 - Sep 2 with 3655 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Watson on KOA on 12:24 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
If that's the case then presumably the same break clause wouldn't be breached until we're mathematically out of contention this season as well? |
That's frightening isn't it? |  | | |
| Watson on KOA on 17:01 - Sep 2 with 3642 views | TieDyedIn95 |
Yes that approach worked really well for PR Pauls mate Roy Keane here when he used tough love to turn previously decent Championship players like Richard Wright, Alex Bruce, Damien Delaney, Gareth McAuley, Owen Garvan, Jon Walters and Pablo Couñago into players who didn't want to be here, demoralised and all eventually left the club. Amazingly all bar Pabs ended up at Premier League clubs post Ipswich, while we ended up with Lee Martin.
Lambert is having his Berlin bunker moment here, it will all be over very soon. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 17:31 - Sep 2 with 3606 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Watson on KOA on 16:18 - Sep 2 by longtimefan |
I’m not supporting PL but there’s nothing wrong with a tough love approach when viewed in isolation. I listened to a interview of Steven Gerrard by Gary Lineker last week, in which Gerald said that Rafa Benitez was always cold to him. He always called him “Gerrard” while using first name of everyone else in the squad. Gerrard said he assumed he was making a point that despite being Captain he was not more important than the team and that this approach always motivated him to prove himself. |
As with good management in any company/organisation, it is about knowing your staff, what makes them tick and what doesn't. | | | |
| Watson on KOA on 17:41 - Sep 2 with 3588 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
The players did force Hurst out, rightly or wrongly. More of a reflection on the players if they keep throwing toys out the pram.
It's about time someone stamped some authority around here.
I have said it before, I'll say it again, you cannot have the lunatics running the asylum. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 17:52 - Sep 2 with 3554 views | jayessess |
| Watson on KOA on 17:41 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
The players did force Hurst out, rightly or wrongly. More of a reflection on the players if they keep throwing toys out the pram.
It's about time someone stamped some authority around here.
I have said it before, I'll say it again, you cannot have the lunatics running the asylum. |
There's only 3 players left at the club from the McCarthy period who could conceivably have been involved in this supposed coup to push Hurst out - Chambers, Skuse and Sears. Lambert has awarded all of them new contracts and has never had a bad word to say about any of them.
Who exactly is he "imposing his authority" on? Brett McGavin?! I'm sure that'll sort things. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 18:00]
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| Watson on KOA on 18:00 - Sep 2 with 3533 views | NotMarcusEvans |
| Watson on KOA on 17:41 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
The players did force Hurst out, rightly or wrongly. More of a reflection on the players if they keep throwing toys out the pram.
It's about time someone stamped some authority around here.
I have said it before, I'll say it again, you cannot have the lunatics running the asylum. |
Rightly or wrongly? How is it a reflection on the players that Hurst was so sh1t?
He was, by far, the worst manager we've ever had. |  | | |
| Watson on KOA on 19:01 - Sep 2 with 3471 views | CrayonKing |
| Watson on KOA on 11:42 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
Both Chambers and Skuse have been out of contract during Lambert's tenure. There was a very simple solution if that was the problem. |
I seem to remember Lambert saying that whether Skuse would get a new contract was up to the owner not him and also said stuff along the lines of "he's been great but age catches up with everyone eventually." He certainly didn't make it sound like he was desperate to keep him. |  | | |
| Watson on KOA on 19:28 - Sep 2 with 3438 views | jayessess |
| Watson on KOA on 19:01 - Sep 2 by CrayonKing |
I seem to remember Lambert saying that whether Skuse would get a new contract was up to the owner not him and also said stuff along the lines of "he's been great but age catches up with everyone eventually." He certainly didn't make it sound like he was desperate to keep him. |
“Listen, he’s been great, he’s been absolutely great for us. And as I’ve said before if he was five or 10 years younger, then it would be brilliant, but we’ve got him at the wrong end of it. But him and Marcus will probably sort it out.”
From January  Lambert: Skuse Contract Talks With Owner Evans Ongoing 24th Jan 2020 12:31Blues boss Paul Lambert has revealed that veteran midfielder Cole Skuse has spoken to owner Marcus Evans about a new contract but that Town aren’t in a position to do anything until they have had “success”.  8
Whatever you understand by that quote, it certainly doesn't imply that Skuse is a negative influence preventing Lambert from doing his job properly. | |
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| Watson on KOA on 20:18 - Sep 2 with 3396 views | CrayonKing |
| Watson on KOA on 19:28 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
“Listen, he’s been great, he’s been absolutely great for us. And as I’ve said before if he was five or 10 years younger, then it would be brilliant, but we’ve got him at the wrong end of it. But him and Marcus will probably sort it out.”
From January Lambert: Skuse Contract Talks With Owner Evans Ongoing 24th Jan 2020 12:31Blues boss Paul Lambert has revealed that veteran midfielder Cole Skuse has spoken to owner Marcus Evans about a new contract but that Town aren’t in a position to do anything until they have had “success”. 8
Whatever you understand by that quote, it certainly doesn't imply that Skuse is a negative influence preventing Lambert from doing his job properly. |
yea, very true. Nobody in the game seems to have a bad word to say about him so it seems unlikely that he's part of the problem.
At the time I thought some of the comments were a bit odd, almost like he was hinting to ME via the media that he wasn't worth a new contract. Could just be more of that tough love though, or a negotiating tactic, or maybe he thought the wages could be better spent elsewhere when we're well-stocked for midfielders.
I could just be completely misremembering. After-all age catches up with us all ;) | | | |
| Watson on KOA on 20:30 - Sep 2 with 3379 views | stonojnr |
| Watson on KOA on 11:30 - Sep 2 by catch74 |
I think Lambert is lucky there’s no crowd for the first few games. I was just wondering how many pints he’d have to buy everyone to get behind him, big bar bill. |
given the fickle nature of so many pundits on this forum, he just needs to win 2 games and he'll be hailed a footballing genius with a donation fund to build a statue | | | |
| Watson on KOA on 22:13 - Sep 2 with 3311 views | DublinBlue84 |
That's a very interesting podcast.
The other interesting thing was about photogate, where Watson said he was told by Taylor that there are no problems with the younger players reacting to that, before adding a comment that the fact the story is out there may suggest otherwise.
Did anyone else read that as an admission that basically one of the younger lads may have been the source for that particular story? | |
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| Watson on KOA on 22:29 - Sep 2 with 3286 views | itfcjoe |
| Watson on KOA on 22:13 - Sep 2 by DublinBlue84 |
That's a very interesting podcast.
The other interesting thing was about photogate, where Watson said he was told by Taylor that there are no problems with the younger players reacting to that, before adding a comment that the fact the story is out there may suggest otherwise.
Did anyone else read that as an admission that basically one of the younger lads may have been the source for that particular story? |
If they weren’t the source they were certainly complicit and agreeable to it being out there | |
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| Watson on KOA on 23:02 - Sep 2 with 3234 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Watson on KOA on 17:52 - Sep 2 by jayessess |
There's only 3 players left at the club from the McCarthy period who could conceivably have been involved in this supposed coup to push Hurst out - Chambers, Skuse and Sears. Lambert has awarded all of them new contracts and has never had a bad word to say about any of them.
Who exactly is he "imposing his authority" on? Brett McGavin?! I'm sure that'll sort things. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 18:00]
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I’m not sure your point on your first paragraph, doesn’t seem to have any sense to it? Pleas explain what you are trying to say.
There needs to be authority from head to toe at the club, and that’s the managers job day to day. Imposing authority needs to happen to the first team, and it needs to be recognised. We can’t just have toys going out the pram when they don’t like something.
Not sure what bringing an U23 players name has to do with this. | |
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| Watson on KOA on 23:04 - Sep 2 with 3231 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Watson on KOA on 18:00 - Sep 2 by NotMarcusEvans |
Rightly or wrongly? How is it a reflection on the players that Hurst was so sh1t?
He was, by far, the worst manager we've ever had. |
I didn’t mean rightly or wrongly to sack him. But if you are happy with players running to the owner or media every time they get told a few home truths or the Apple cart gets rocked a little, then this club is in deep trouble.
That’s a reflection on the players. | |
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| Watson on KOA on 23:44 - Sep 2 with 3186 views | Garv |
| Watson on KOA on 22:29 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
If they weren’t the source they were certainly complicit and agreeable to it being out there |
Depressing that a young player, any player in fact, is going to these efforts. |  |
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| Watson on KOA on 07:02 - Sep 3 with 3097 views | itfcjoe |
| Watson on KOA on 23:44 - Sep 2 by Garv |
Depressing that a young player, any player in fact, is going to these efforts. |
Firstly, it’s hardly much effort - and secondly when the situation is as bad as I’m lead to believe it’s more remarkable that a hell of a lot more isn’t out there.
The reaction to this in house is so, so telling with regards to the culture Lambert seems to be trying to implement- blame, fear, etc. A team can’t be successful like this. | |
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| Watson on KOA on 08:49 - Sep 3 with 3023 views | hype313 |
| Watson on KOA on 07:02 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
Firstly, it’s hardly much effort - and secondly when the situation is as bad as I’m lead to believe it’s more remarkable that a hell of a lot more isn’t out there.
The reaction to this in house is so, so telling with regards to the culture Lambert seems to be trying to implement- blame, fear, etc. A team can’t be successful like this. |
All sounds like he is wanting to get sacked and the payoff the ensues. | |
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