| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. 17:20 - Sep 14 with 5458 views | noggin |
BJ looks like a naughty schoolboy. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:31 - Sep 15 with 2237 views | Herbivore |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:15 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
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Pretty disgusting stuff, absolute gutter politics. Not supporting a bill that breaks international law is hardly siding with the EU. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:39 - Sep 15 with 2232 views | vapour_trail |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:15 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
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There you have it.
That’ll have much more cut through than any speech delivered in the chamber last night. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:41 - Sep 15 with 2225 views | DanTheMan |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:39 - Sep 15 by vapour_trail |
There you have it.
That’ll have much more cut through than any speech delivered in the chamber last night. |
Yup, as horrible as it is. I don't really know how you even combat it, unless you join them in the lying. It's like with Trump and the Republicans at the moment, you can just keep lying and nothing sticks. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:52 - Sep 15 with 2204 views | Herbivore |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:41 - Sep 15 by DanTheMan |
Yup, as horrible as it is. I don't really know how you even combat it, unless you join them in the lying. It's like with Trump and the Republicans at the moment, you can just keep lying and nothing sticks. |
The issue we have in the UK is the BBC are now too scared to really call this kind of stuff out and the only left leaning press we have is the Guardian and the Mirror. The Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express etc. all happily parrot the lies from the Tories and are quite happy to more or less make stuff up to try to discredit Labour at the same time. The game is rigged, we don't have a free press we have a very much paid for press. | |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:04 - Sep 15 with 2182 views | tractordownsouth |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 08:15 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
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Ah yes, the classic 'anyone who dares to disagree with the government is an anti-British traitor' tactic.
Absolutely no fascist undertones in that whatsoever. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:46 - Sep 15 with 2146 views | catch74 |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 23:58 - Sep 14 by itfc_bucks |
Rather like Corbyn, many of Ed's shortcomings were self inflicted, if mercilessly picked apart by the right wing press.
Similarly Johnson's. It surely can't be long before the Mail/Tory graph & 1922 end this charade? |
Ed’s shortcomings - his sandwich eating? What else was mercilessly picked apart? If you read the Telegraph article posted higher up, they still can’t help pick on his physical side, I think that was how he was targeted. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:53 - Sep 15 with 2139 views | bracknell_blue |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 19:28 - Sep 14 by jaseitfc2015 |
if only Ed was elected in 2015.... wed be in a much better place |
Yes, that coalition of chaos is looking really good in hindsight! |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:54 - Sep 15 with 2136 views | itfcjoe |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:46 - Sep 15 by catch74 |
Ed’s shortcomings - his sandwich eating? What else was mercilessly picked apart? If you read the Telegraph article posted higher up, they still can’t help pick on his physical side, I think that was how he was targeted. |
He tried to be all things to all people, he had a very good manifesto but couldn't get that message across |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:55 - Sep 15 with 2136 views | DanTheMan |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:46 - Sep 15 by catch74 |
Ed’s shortcomings - his sandwich eating? What else was mercilessly picked apart? If you read the Telegraph article posted higher up, they still can’t help pick on his physical side, I think that was how he was targeted. |
I do laugh that Milliband gets stick for being a healthy weight but Boris Johnson gets no criticism for being overweight, which very nearly killed him. | |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:56 - Sep 15 with 2128 views | StokieBlue |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:46 - Sep 15 by catch74 |
Ed’s shortcomings - his sandwich eating? What else was mercilessly picked apart? If you read the Telegraph article posted higher up, they still can’t help pick on his physical side, I think that was how he was targeted. |
He was brilliant yesterday, a well executed and decisive deconstruction of the government position. He was however given plenty of ammunition to work with.
The Guardian highlighted that he was brilliant yesterday and that it was the best speech of this parliament but that he struggled for 5 years at PMQ's when facing Cameron.
To be honest I cannot really remember if that is true.
The bacon sandwich stuff was and remains nonsense, unfortunately nonsense sells at the moment.
Either way you won't be hearing any speeches of that quality from the front bench for quite some time.
SB [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 9:56]
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 10:19 - Sep 15 with 2096 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:56 - Sep 15 by StokieBlue |
He was brilliant yesterday, a well executed and decisive deconstruction of the government position. He was however given plenty of ammunition to work with.
The Guardian highlighted that he was brilliant yesterday and that it was the best speech of this parliament but that he struggled for 5 years at PMQ's when facing Cameron.
To be honest I cannot really remember if that is true.
The bacon sandwich stuff was and remains nonsense, unfortunately nonsense sells at the moment.
Either way you won't be hearing any speeches of that quality from the front bench for quite some time.
SB [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 9:56]
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Cameron was a high level performer in the Commons, and had got where he'd got by out outmanoeuvring and outgunning the likes of Boris. He read his papers and mastered them. He was very rarely caught off-guard, and could handle difficult attacks with a Teflon shield. He seemed to enjoy disarming Milliband, and it clearly played on Ed's confidence. I think Cameron is a sociopathic bully and he knew Ed's weak spots. The Tory MPs used to talk amongst themselves and shout whilst Ed talked, and bray and rah to a historic high level in support of Cameron. It appeared co-ordinated and designed to rattle Ed and it worked.
Now, though, we have a PM who considers Parliamentary debate a massive inconvenience. He's not prepared, he's past caring, and he is simply slouching there rolling his eyes until the inevitable counting of the lobby fodder. He knows what the residual support for the Tories is, now. He knows he is untouchable for this term and probably, because of the utterly bent nature of FPTP, can't be beaten next time.
He has nothing but contempt for Parliament, and is bored of being expected to answer to it.
For Ed, the pressure is off. He had one job to do and did it brilliantly. Because of Covid the number of Tory MPs is reduced and so he couldn't be bullied or put off his stride. He won the argument comprehensively.
But
Nothing
Will
Change.
Boris is in an abusive relationship with his backbench MPs. They need him to deliver Brexit done-and-dusted by Christmas. He is repelled by their neediness. It makes him bother less.
But they will still vote for him at the third reading, even though they will have spent the intervening days in the tearooms saying "It's not good enough. He takes us for granted. He must change. He will change, won't he?" |  | | |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 10:20 - Sep 15 with 2094 views | catch74 |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:54 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
He tried to be all things to all people, he had a very good manifesto but couldn't get that message across |
Sadly, a large proportion off the electorate didn’t get past the front page picture of the sun for their political reasoning. | |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 10:25 - Sep 15 with 2081 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 09:54 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
He tried to be all things to all people, he had a very good manifesto but couldn't get that message across |
He tried to be *fair* to all people, he had a very good manifesto but couldn't get that message across *in a media owned by a few self-interested billionaires*.
Corrected that for you. | | | |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 12:27 - Sep 15 with 2033 views | StokieBlue |
Approval from across the chamber.
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 12:49 - Sep 15 with 2013 views | HARRY10 |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 10:19 - Sep 15 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Cameron was a high level performer in the Commons, and had got where he'd got by out outmanoeuvring and outgunning the likes of Boris. He read his papers and mastered them. He was very rarely caught off-guard, and could handle difficult attacks with a Teflon shield. He seemed to enjoy disarming Milliband, and it clearly played on Ed's confidence. I think Cameron is a sociopathic bully and he knew Ed's weak spots. The Tory MPs used to talk amongst themselves and shout whilst Ed talked, and bray and rah to a historic high level in support of Cameron. It appeared co-ordinated and designed to rattle Ed and it worked.
Now, though, we have a PM who considers Parliamentary debate a massive inconvenience. He's not prepared, he's past caring, and he is simply slouching there rolling his eyes until the inevitable counting of the lobby fodder. He knows what the residual support for the Tories is, now. He knows he is untouchable for this term and probably, because of the utterly bent nature of FPTP, can't be beaten next time.
He has nothing but contempt for Parliament, and is bored of being expected to answer to it.
For Ed, the pressure is off. He had one job to do and did it brilliantly. Because of Covid the number of Tory MPs is reduced and so he couldn't be bullied or put off his stride. He won the argument comprehensively.
But
Nothing
Will
Change.
Boris is in an abusive relationship with his backbench MPs. They need him to deliver Brexit done-and-dusted by Christmas. He is repelled by their neediness. It makes him bother less.
But they will still vote for him at the third reading, even though they will have spent the intervening days in the tearooms saying "It's not good enough. He takes us for granted. He must change. He will change, won't he?" |
"He knows he is untouchable for this term and probably, because of the utterly bent nature of FPTP, can't be beaten next time. "
For this term, you can only mean school term. If he was gone by this half-term it would not greatly surprise me.
What is keeping him in power is none of the likely candidates will want to put themselves forward during this self-inflicted shambles.
From misleading statements, to overnight u turns and a complete lack of competence Johnson has shown that his previous failures were not down to bad luck - they are the inevitable consequence of being a lazy, incapable fraud. And however bad things are now, there is far worse in the pipeline and NP PM will be able to avoid,
Unless furlough is extended for another few months then there could be up to a million more unemployed by Xmas, lorries held up for a day or more which will decimate the 'just in time' car assembly plants, as well as food supplies.
This bill is the aptly named Battle of the bulge - a last desperate attempt to grab some leverage with which to try to stave off the inevitable.
Start to stock up now, would be my advice. | | | |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 17:48 - Sep 15 with 1972 views | greenkingtone |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 00:41 - Sep 15 by HARRY10 |
Telegraph - 14th Sept
"During the crucial debate on Brexit, Boris Johnson looked on in bewilderment as the former Labour leader came out fighting
Ed Miliband. You remember. Labour leader a few years back. Gawky. Geeky. Invariably addressed the Commons in a spluttering, strangulated squawk, like an over-excited chicken.
Well, he’s back. For a moment, anyway. With Sir Keir Starmer forced into self-isolation at the last minute, after a family member was required to take a Covid test, Mr Miliband took the Labour leader’s place at the dispatch box this evening (Monday).
Boris Johnson, no doubt, was thanking his lucky stars. He was facing a tough enough night as it was, with Tory MPs threatening to rebel against his controversial new plan for Brexit. So the last thing he needed was a stringent cross-examination from Sir Keir. Weedy Mr Miliband, by contrast, would be a doddle.
So Mr Johnson must have assumed, at any rate. That is not, however, the way it turned out. Quite the contrary. Instead, the Commons goggled, befuddled, as the most improbable metamorphosis began to take place.
It was like watching a live-action version of a Charles Atlas ad. Before MPs’ very eyes, Mr Miliband appeared to be transforming from seven-stone weakling to strutting muscleman.
Not literally, you understand. Basketball-sized biceps did not erupt through the arms of Mr Miliband’s jacket, nor did his torso swell up like some monstrous airbed. He looked as dweebish and spindly as ever.
Yet, as a rhetorical combatant, he was displaying a verve and a swagger never glimpsed when he was Leader of the Opposition. There was none of the old squeaking, hot-faced sanctimony. This time, his manner was smooth. His put downs were sharp. His logic was coolly methodical. And his arguments went unanswered.
Mr Johnson, noted Mr Miliband, was now denouncing a Brexit deal that he himself had negotiated and hailed as a triumph. He was calling it a terrible deal for Northern Ireland — having previously told voters it was “a great deal for Northern Ireland”, which handled the problems of the border “particular respect and sensitivity”. Either Mr Johnson “wasn’t straight with the country about the deal in the first place, or he didn’t understand it”.
In any case, added Mr Miliband, Mr Johnson’s new plan would do nothing to solve the problems he claimed the deal had created. “This bill does precisely nothing to address the transport of food from Great Britain to Northern Ireland,” said Mr Miliband. “If the Prime Minister wants to tell us there’s another part of this bill that I haven’t noticed, I’ll very happily give way to him. I’m sure he knows it in detail, because he’s a details man.”
With theatrical mock-gallantry, Mr Miliband invited the Prime Minister to reply. In silence, Mr Johnson scowled at his phone, and remained seated.
“There you have it,” said Mr Miliband. “He didn’t read the Northern Ireland Protocol, and now he hasn’t read his own bill…”
Labour MPs hooted and honked. Tories, meanwhile, just looked glum. Duffed up by the school swot. I’m not sure which side of the House was the more surprised." [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 2:16]
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Yes Harry you are spot on. I look forward to PMQ tomorrow. Brilliant post. |  | | |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 17:53 - Sep 15 with 1965 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 10:20 - Sep 15 by catch74 |
Sadly, a large proportion off the electorate didn’t get past the front page picture of the sun for their political reasoning. |
I remember the good old days when you could get as far as page 3 before getting, ahem, distracted. |  |
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| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 18:21 - Sep 15 with 1951 views | HARRY10 |
| Ed Miliband is shaming Boris. It's embarrassing. on 17:48 - Sep 15 by greenkingtone |
Yes Harry you are spot on. I look forward to PMQ tomorrow. Brilliant post. |
'ahem;. it is not my words
I cut and pasted it from the Telegraph. so those without access (behind the paywall) could read, what was earlier praised
though I must agree, tomorrows PMQs will be interesting to say the least - and my suggestion would be for EM to let Johnson try to dig himself out of the hole he has been digging for the past few decades
otherwise folk can use Firefox browse, where they can download an 'add on' called bypass paywalls.... which is quite self-explanatory
it works - hence the ability to cut and paste said article | | | |
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