| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... 09:25 - Sep 25 with 6771 views | itfcjoe |
....according to Lambert this morning. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 14:03 - Sep 25 with 629 views | Ely_Blue |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:41 - Sep 25 by ITFCBlues |
Chambers at RB would worry me over an extended period. He's not really been tested yet properly in either of the games. |
I think in L1 he’d be ok at RB but he just couldn’t cut it in the championship, I’d rather see chambers there than Donacien or Edwards to be honest |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 15:25 - Sep 25 with 586 views | Funge |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:10 - Sep 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
They dont. It's a complete myth. We've just had some bad injuries recently and as is often the case when players return after being out it's the most dangerous period of recovery.
We're in a fantastic place after latest update. Can't be many teams with less injuries right now which is a great place to be at this stage.
As I've said go and look at some of the top teams injury records last few years with the money they throw at it. Spurs, Man Utd, Everton etc etc. It's not an Ipswich problem. It's a fixture demand increase problem across football.
There is some data on the correlation between Spurs increased fixtures and increased injuries. Their spend on injured players went up 48% as they increased their load. [Post edited 25 Sep 2020 10:12]
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This is just simply untrue. |  | | |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 15:55 - Sep 25 with 559 views | Darth_Koont |
B@ll@cks! Was looking forward to seeing him back.
On the plus side that explains McGuinness perhaps without the threat of Woolfenden leaving. And we look relatively well-stocked now.
Based on his performance against us (admittedly just one game), I‘m hopeful McGuinness could also become a real star for us this season. He’s got the ability to slot in anywhere across the backline, even looking comfortable on the left touchline. He’s a good passer of the ball. And he looks well up to the physical side of defending at this level too.
Of course, KVY offers another threat going forward but from an overall perspective maybe we’re coming out even. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:00 - Sep 25 with 505 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:12 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
How can you possibly say it's a 'complete myth' that players take so long to recover with a straight face? |
I was referring to why ITFC players take so long....they take what it takes from their respective injuries same as any other ckub. We're not alone in it. We had a bad few years but so did loads of clubs. My point is it's NOT and Ipswich thing as is made out.
McGoldrick is always flagged up as a classic case. Big part of that was him cutting down his time travelling. People don't talk about Wickham being fine here and then moving and becoming a total crock. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:03 - Sep 25 with 503 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 15:25 - Sep 25 by Funge |
This is just simply untrue. |
Which part. Have you gone away and done your homework like I suggested and actually looked at facts and figures? | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:04 - Sep 25 with 503 views | Mullet |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:00 - Sep 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
I was referring to why ITFC players take so long....they take what it takes from their respective injuries same as any other ckub. We're not alone in it. We had a bad few years but so did loads of clubs. My point is it's NOT and Ipswich thing as is made out.
McGoldrick is always flagged up as a classic case. Big part of that was him cutting down his time travelling. People don't talk about Wickham being fine here and then moving and becoming a total crock. |
McGoldrick never drove 2.5 hrs a day, that was a complete myth. He was in ITFC accomodation for most of the week as I understand it.
Wickham wasn't really here long enough to get injured and his was one that probably ended careers years ago. He's not really going to be in Town fans' eyeline on this is he?
We have had rotten luck in terms of collisions if you look at Joniesta at Wigan, Huws at Boro or Sears at the Scum. All freak collisions. But the fact they then struggle to come back, get reinjured etc. is a clear problem.
Mick clearly chose playing budget over medical budget, you can see that in the punts he chose to take and the risks and modifications in team selections too. This all comes down on Evans and is part of why his indecision and indirect manner of running the club has costs us.
Our injury record might be in line with other teams, or reinjury and rehab certainly isn't. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:12 - Sep 25 with 499 views | itfcjoe |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:00 - Sep 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
I was referring to why ITFC players take so long....they take what it takes from their respective injuries same as any other ckub. We're not alone in it. We had a bad few years but so did loads of clubs. My point is it's NOT and Ipswich thing as is made out.
McGoldrick is always flagged up as a classic case. Big part of that was him cutting down his time travelling. People don't talk about Wickham being fine here and then moving and becoming a total crock. |
Connor Wickham left here a decade ago, it has about much relevance to our current situation as whether Romeo Zondervan was injury prone after leaving.
The facts don’t show what you think they do, our ability to get players back to full fitness after lung term injuries is pretty terrible | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:37 - Sep 26 with 374 views | Harlestonblue |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:29 - Sep 25 by hammo56 |
Unfortunately it looks like KVY is going to be another one who without doubt would strengthen our team but turns out to be injury prone. |
Shocked to read Stuart Watson's piece about our injured players the other day when he revealed KVY has only played 9 games for us. | | | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:42 - Sep 26 with 370 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:04 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
McGoldrick never drove 2.5 hrs a day, that was a complete myth. He was in ITFC accomodation for most of the week as I understand it.
Wickham wasn't really here long enough to get injured and his was one that probably ended careers years ago. He's not really going to be in Town fans' eyeline on this is he?
We have had rotten luck in terms of collisions if you look at Joniesta at Wigan, Huws at Boro or Sears at the Scum. All freak collisions. But the fact they then struggle to come back, get reinjured etc. is a clear problem.
Mick clearly chose playing budget over medical budget, you can see that in the punts he chose to take and the risks and modifications in team selections too. This all comes down on Evans and is part of why his indecision and indirect manner of running the club has costs us.
Our injury record might be in line with other teams, or reinjury and rehab certainly isn't. |
The examples you pick just serve to further prove my point to be honest. Joniesta did take a long time to come back. He took the time it takes to get over the injury he had. He has since gone on to have multiple injuries at multiple other clubs = Not an Ipswich thing.
Freddie Sears = normal recovery time for his injury. (I might be wrong on this but wasn't he slightly ahead of schedule? Certainly not longer) = Not an Ipswich thing.
Huws - closest one to some sort of argument. He has several issues and struggled back but he's been injury free for over a year pretty much.
People confuse the fact we had a spate of injuries with their being some major Ipswich issue. It's not. We're a L1 club with comparatively good resources in this league. But even when you go up to prem level and the money they spend on it their are countless clubs who have had as bad or worse issues then us.
Good sports science is great and important. Strength and conditioning training will reduce injuries and a good physio team can help to speed up recovery. It can only do so much though. Hurst/Lambert era we have invested more then McCarthy era on monitoring fatigue etc. This is important and we will get some benefit. For the most part though we've had rotten luck. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:45 - Sep 26 with 366 views | Mullet |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:42 - Sep 26 by Terry_Nutkins |
The examples you pick just serve to further prove my point to be honest. Joniesta did take a long time to come back. He took the time it takes to get over the injury he had. He has since gone on to have multiple injuries at multiple other clubs = Not an Ipswich thing.
Freddie Sears = normal recovery time for his injury. (I might be wrong on this but wasn't he slightly ahead of schedule? Certainly not longer) = Not an Ipswich thing.
Huws - closest one to some sort of argument. He has several issues and struggled back but he's been injury free for over a year pretty much.
People confuse the fact we had a spate of injuries with their being some major Ipswich issue. It's not. We're a L1 club with comparatively good resources in this league. But even when you go up to prem level and the money they spend on it their are countless clubs who have had as bad or worse issues then us.
Good sports science is great and important. Strength and conditioning training will reduce injuries and a good physio team can help to speed up recovery. It can only do so much though. Hurst/Lambert era we have invested more then McCarthy era on monitoring fatigue etc. This is important and we will get some benefit. For the most part though we've had rotten luck. |
I was picking the examples which most strengthened your point to show that it wasn't those initial injuries which were the problem, but as I said the reinjuring/set backs which they and so many others have had. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:52 - Sep 26 with 361 views | Herbivore |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:42 - Sep 26 by Terry_Nutkins |
The examples you pick just serve to further prove my point to be honest. Joniesta did take a long time to come back. He took the time it takes to get over the injury he had. He has since gone on to have multiple injuries at multiple other clubs = Not an Ipswich thing.
Freddie Sears = normal recovery time for his injury. (I might be wrong on this but wasn't he slightly ahead of schedule? Certainly not longer) = Not an Ipswich thing.
Huws - closest one to some sort of argument. He has several issues and struggled back but he's been injury free for over a year pretty much.
People confuse the fact we had a spate of injuries with their being some major Ipswich issue. It's not. We're a L1 club with comparatively good resources in this league. But even when you go up to prem level and the money they spend on it their are countless clubs who have had as bad or worse issues then us.
Good sports science is great and important. Strength and conditioning training will reduce injuries and a good physio team can help to speed up recovery. It can only do so much though. Hurst/Lambert era we have invested more then McCarthy era on monitoring fatigue etc. This is important and we will get some benefit. For the most part though we've had rotten luck. |
What's the view like down there in the sand? |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 09:52 - Sep 26 with 361 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 19:12 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
Connor Wickham left here a decade ago, it has about much relevance to our current situation as whether Romeo Zondervan was injury prone after leaving.
The facts don’t show what you think they do, our ability to get players back to full fitness after lung term injuries is pretty terrible |
The point was perfectly valid IMO.
We can disagree. I looked into it and I personally know an ex man utd physio who i've chatted to about this stuff. There are lots of gains being made in conditioning (football was a long way behind other sports) but the main factor is load increases by a country mile (i.e. the amount of games players play now).
Maybe if we get one benefit from Lambert tinkering last season...haha (tongue is in cheek there mostly).
I tell you what, how about I retract 'complete myth' with vastly exagerated!! That allows some wiggle room based on the fact as a L1 club we don't have world class sports science. What I would say is that we would still outsource major injuries to world class specialists though... | |
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