| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... 09:25 - Sep 25 with 6768 views | itfcjoe |
....according to Lambert this morning. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:15 - Sep 25 with 2039 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:12 - Sep 25 by NthQldITFC |
I wonder if there's anything unusual in the surfaces at the training ground or at Portman Road? Like maybe a transition between grass and a concrete path or something odd like that. I always used to hate walking on concrete around changing rooms etc in my studs after a game, used to really jar in the ankles for me. |
I wondered if training ground issue at peak of our issues but they did a full investigation. We have good facilities and loads of our injuries were contact ones and twist ones that happened on grass. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:17 - Sep 25 with 2038 views | Fixed_It |
The question was 'will he be back by Christmas?'. The answer was 'yes'. That doesn't mean he'll be out until Christmas as some people seem to have interpreted it as. A sore achilles has to be treated with caution and can't be rushed - but he could be back much sooner than that if all goes well. [Post edited 25 Sep 2020 10:20]
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:19 - Sep 25 with 2026 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:10 - Sep 25 by Terry_Nutkins |
They dont. It's a complete myth. We've just had some bad injuries recently and as is often the case when players return after being out it's the most dangerous period of recovery.
We're in a fantastic place after latest update. Can't be many teams with less injuries right now which is a great place to be at this stage.
As I've said go and look at some of the top teams injury records last few years with the money they throw at it. Spurs, Man Utd, Everton etc etc. It's not an Ipswich problem. It's a fixture demand increase problem across football.
There is some data on the correlation between Spurs increased fixtures and increased injuries. Their spend on injured players went up 48% as they increased their load. [Post edited 25 Sep 2020 10:12]
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One of the most frustrating things is that we have very little 'impact' injuries.
Looking at our current players out injured, out of Jackson, KVY, Skuse, Judge, Morris, Nydam, Woolfenden and Drinnan - only one of them (Nydam) came from any sort of challenge (Broken Ankle) in a match. |  | | |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:24 - Sep 25 with 2010 views | SWGF |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:12 - Sep 25 by Chrisd |
True and we have Donacien too, although for me he'd be the last resort. At least PL has options. |
All three are centre backs (if you take PL's assertion that he sees Donacien as, primarily, a CB).
Would have preferred a RB coming in as direct competition for the position. We've got six centre backs (Wilson, N'Siala, N'Daba plus the three already mentioned) but no fit right backs. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:30 - Sep 25 with 1994 views | bournemouthblue |
The whole KVY situation has become a nightmare given how talented he obviously is
The thing which always worries me with injuries like this is just how much it will potentially effect his performance when eventually he can play again and for any length of time really, will he ever get back to the standard we expect?
Teddy Bishop is an interesting case study himself, he finally looks to be playing again and is an asset. He wouldn't be playing for us any more if he'd not had his injuries and he needs Town more than ever and will do for some time to come, which is certainly good for us. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:31 - Sep 25 with 1984 views | BlueBadger |
FFS, our injury treatment, recovery and rehab facilities need an even bigger sorting out than our scouting, right NOW. This has been going on for far too long under Evans. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:38 - Sep 25 with 1965 views | Herbivore |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:12 - Sep 25 by Chrisd |
True and we have Donacien too, although for me he'd be the last resort. At least PL has options. |
None of whom are out and out right backs though. As it's KVY rather than Woolfy that's out for a long spell I don't know why we didn't look to bring a right back in on loan rather than another CB. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:41 - Sep 25 with 1963 views | monty_radio |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:24 - Sep 25 by SWGF |
All three are centre backs (if you take PL's assertion that he sees Donacien as, primarily, a CB).
Would have preferred a RB coming in as direct competition for the position. We've got six centre backs (Wilson, N'Siala, N'Daba plus the three already mentioned) but no fit right backs. |
Though P.L. seems to have quietly shelved the idea of Donacien as other than a R.B. In which case I don't see how we would get someone better. Everyone seems grudgingly to agree when he's had a decent game (which has not been rare) yet forget about him when "Chambo-must-play" appears. Donacien does not have KJY's flair or pace, but he's a good bit quicker than Chambers, and he's not bad defensively. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:41 - Sep 25 with 1961 views | X0Y0 |
Sounds like they're hoping for significantly before Christmas, from the wording of the interview ...
“Kane’s a little longer, he’s obviously not played since the Tottenham game, but he’s doing a lot better. Again, we have to wait and see how he feels.
Quizzed on whether Vincent-Young would play before Christmas, Lambert said: “Yeah, and that’s a long, long, long time. But we hope he’s back before that.” | | | |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:17 - Sep 25 with 1904 views | Chrisd |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:38 - Sep 25 by Herbivore |
None of whom are out and out right backs though. As it's KVY rather than Woolfy that's out for a long spell I don't know why we didn't look to bring a right back in on loan rather than another CB. |
I understand what you're saying, but hoping PL has looked at it and feels happy with what he's got at his disposal regardless whether we class them as RBs or not. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:23 - Sep 25 with 1889 views | Herbivore |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:17 - Sep 25 by Chrisd |
I understand what you're saying, but hoping PL has looked at it and feels happy with what he's got at his disposal regardless whether we class them as RBs or not. |
It's the same square peg, round hole scenario we've had for years though, especially in that right back area. If we had funds for a loan signing it would have made far more sense to bring in a specialist right back. We're well covered in the centre and we're using a centre back at right back for the foreseeable future. It doesn't make a lot of sense. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:36 - Sep 25 with 1877 views | PhilTWTD |
From what he said I think he's anticipating him back well before that. Christmas was put to him as a potential return and he said before that, and I read it as well before that.
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:38 - Sep 25 with 1864 views | itfcjoe |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:23 - Sep 25 by Herbivore |
It's the same square peg, round hole scenario we've had for years though, especially in that right back area. If we had funds for a loan signing it would have made far more sense to bring in a specialist right back. We're well covered in the centre and we're using a centre back at right back for the foreseeable future. It doesn't make a lot of sense. |
I’d imagine it is to do with quality that was available on loan, and how that all works together.
Chambers has played a serious amount of his career at RB, most of it at a higher level than this one, and still gets up and down - ultimately if he becomes our backup RB over the course of the season and Nsiala and Woolfenden form a good partnership we will be in a stronger position come the start of 2021/22 season than if we are still relying on Chambers at centre back. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:44 - Sep 25 with 1852 views | clive_baker |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:38 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
I’d imagine it is to do with quality that was available on loan, and how that all works together.
Chambers has played a serious amount of his career at RB, most of it at a higher level than this one, and still gets up and down - ultimately if he becomes our backup RB over the course of the season and Nsiala and Woolfenden form a good partnership we will be in a stronger position come the start of 2021/22 season than if we are still relying on Chambers at centre back. |
Agreed. Chambers is more droppable now thanks to Ward coming in, and both are likely to be phased out over the next 12 months. Let's also not forget KVY has also played a lot of football at left back, so if 2 of Woolfy, Nsiala, McGuinness form a partnership centrally, then we're probably looking at 2 from Ward, Chambers, KVY at full back once fit.
Chambers gets a lot of stick but he's as good a RB as he is a centre back. We really just need a good 7 months from him and Ward and hopefully we'll be looking at preparing for life in the Championship. |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:47 - Sep 25 with 1844 views | Metal_Hacker |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:44 - Sep 25 by clive_baker |
Agreed. Chambers is more droppable now thanks to Ward coming in, and both are likely to be phased out over the next 12 months. Let's also not forget KVY has also played a lot of football at left back, so if 2 of Woolfy, Nsiala, McGuinness form a partnership centrally, then we're probably looking at 2 from Ward, Chambers, KVY at full back once fit.
Chambers gets a lot of stick but he's as good a RB as he is a centre back. We really just need a good 7 months from him and Ward and hopefully we'll be looking at preparing for life in the Championship. |
I honestly believe the plan short term is :
Chambers - Nsiala -Wilson -Ward
Woolfy fit changing to :
Chanbers - Woolfy - Nsiala - Ward
KVY fit changing to :
KVY - Woolfy - Chambers - Ward
Drop in form from Chambers :
KVY - Woolfy - McG - Ward |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:51 - Sep 25 with 1839 views | Herbivore |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:38 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
I’d imagine it is to do with quality that was available on loan, and how that all works together.
Chambers has played a serious amount of his career at RB, most of it at a higher level than this one, and still gets up and down - ultimately if he becomes our backup RB over the course of the season and Nsiala and Woolfenden form a good partnership we will be in a stronger position come the start of 2021/22 season than if we are still relying on Chambers at centre back. |
But we know with Chambers that over an extended period at RB he will do okay but his limitations will be exposed plenty of times. That's not his fault, whilst he's played there a lot it's not his natural or preferred position. I can't imagine the plan for Chambers this season is for him to be our back up right back and I still make him a more reliable option to partner Woolfy than Nsiala would be. Nsiala will naturally get game time and if he does well that sets him up for next season. I still struggle to see where McGuiness fits in all this though. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:11 - Sep 25 with 1818 views | Chrisd |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:51 - Sep 25 by Herbivore |
But we know with Chambers that over an extended period at RB he will do okay but his limitations will be exposed plenty of times. That's not his fault, whilst he's played there a lot it's not his natural or preferred position. I can't imagine the plan for Chambers this season is for him to be our back up right back and I still make him a more reliable option to partner Woolfy than Nsiala would be. Nsiala will naturally get game time and if he does well that sets him up for next season. I still struggle to see where McGuiness fits in all this though. |
I'm quite excited about the McGuiness signing. This is based on no substance apart from the fact he ticks a lot of boxes and has ability otherwise he wouldn't be at Arsenal as a young professional. Yes, he lacks first team experience, but from the highlights of our game against them in EFL Trophy, he does remind me of a young Tony Adams in his stature and the way he plays, which is certainly no bad thing. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:20 - Sep 25 with 1812 views | Herbivore |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:11 - Sep 25 by Chrisd |
I'm quite excited about the McGuiness signing. This is based on no substance apart from the fact he ticks a lot of boxes and has ability otherwise he wouldn't be at Arsenal as a young professional. Yes, he lacks first team experience, but from the highlights of our game against them in EFL Trophy, he does remind me of a young Tony Adams in his stature and the way he plays, which is certainly no bad thing. |
I think people sometimes read too much into players being at big clubs as youngsters. Nsiala was at Everton at the same age, another big club with a productive academy. | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:29 - Sep 25 with 1788 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 11:47 - Sep 25 by Metal_Hacker |
I honestly believe the plan short term is :
Chambers - Nsiala -Wilson -Ward
Woolfy fit changing to :
Chanbers - Woolfy - Nsiala - Ward
KVY fit changing to :
KVY - Woolfy - Chambers - Ward
Drop in form from Chambers :
KVY - Woolfy - McG - Ward |
Surely the short term plan will be:
Chambers - McGuinness - Nsiala - Ward
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I guess when Woolfy is back it will depend on how McGuinness has done and the terms of his loan deal as to who drops out then |  |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:41 - Sep 25 with 1774 views | Metal_Hacker |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:29 - Sep 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Surely the short term plan will be:
Chambers - McGuinness - Nsiala - Ward
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I guess when Woolfy is back it will depend on how McGuinness has done and the terms of his loan deal as to who drops out then |
I see your point BUT Nsiala next to a total rookie I'm not so sure straight away.At last with Wilson who's "no-nonsense" there's a little security .A young ball playing defender with no first team experience next to Toto would worry me.Don't get me wrong i think the time will come and we'll see both young un's together perhaps but not yet and definitely not Toto with McG. Might be wrong
I think in time once McG has found his feet in League 1 then for sure that could be a possibility perhaps | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:45 - Sep 25 with 1770 views | MattinLondon |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 10:12 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
How can you possibly say it's a 'complete myth' that players take so long to recover with a straight face? |
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Do you know if the medical and the sports science departments at the club are poor compared to clubs in the championship (I know we’re L1 but I’m guessing that the facilities are better than most L1 clubs).
I’m guessing that past managers wouldn’t have put up with poor/average medical care as that would mean that players would take longer to recover. But, we just keep having injuries - plus didn’t another manager allude to the fact that the medical care for players wasn’t great here. |  | | |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:58 - Sep 25 with 1750 views | itfcjoe |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:45 - Sep 25 by MattinLondon |
Joe
Do you know if the medical and the sports science departments at the club are poor compared to clubs in the championship (I know we’re L1 but I’m guessing that the facilities are better than most L1 clubs).
I’m guessing that past managers wouldn’t have put up with poor/average medical care as that would mean that players would take longer to recover. But, we just keep having injuries - plus didn’t another manager allude to the fact that the medical care for players wasn’t great here. |
I don't, but think it's safe to say we are way behind the Championship. Mick wasn't big into it, and ultimately he was our manager for 5-6 years which is a lot to catch up on.
I think, as an example, when Hurst brought in the GPS vests to wear in training, we were one of the last clubs in the whole EFL to do so | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 13:05 - Sep 25 with 1735 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 12:41 - Sep 25 by Metal_Hacker |
I see your point BUT Nsiala next to a total rookie I'm not so sure straight away.At last with Wilson who's "no-nonsense" there's a little security .A young ball playing defender with no first team experience next to Toto would worry me.Don't get me wrong i think the time will come and we'll see both young un's together perhaps but not yet and definitely not Toto with McG. Might be wrong
I think in time once McG has found his feet in League 1 then for sure that could be a possibility perhaps |
Maybe but I doubt we’ve signed him or indeed Arsenal have loaned him to effectively be 4th choice. He may be on the bench tomorrow but I would expect to see him in there pretty quickly, in which case I expect Wilson to drop out given how Nsiala has started the season
Although knowing Lambert he’ll probably decide to change formation to 3 at the back having shown signs of a settled system so far! | |
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| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 13:09 - Sep 25 with 1732 views | Metal_Hacker |
| KVY - Hopefully he'll be back by Christmas... on 13:05 - Sep 25 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Maybe but I doubt we’ve signed him or indeed Arsenal have loaned him to effectively be 4th choice. He may be on the bench tomorrow but I would expect to see him in there pretty quickly, in which case I expect Wilson to drop out given how Nsiala has started the season
Although knowing Lambert he’ll probably decide to change formation to 3 at the back having shown signs of a settled system so far! |
Don't tempt fate by changing systems please !!!!
I made comment the other day about how young the side would look and personally thought it'd be quite exciting if McG turns out to be a real asset
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KVY - Woolfy - McG - Ward (c)
Downes - Dozzell - Nolan
Edwards - Drinnan - Sears
Ins and outs of Chambers , Jackson and Norwood amongst others | |
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