| This Free School Meals debate 18:53 - Oct 21 with 22404 views | tractordownsouth |
I've just seen the clips from Twitter as I don't have a licence to watch on Iplayer but bloody hell, these heartless individuals... They're all preaching personal responsibility, while voting for a policy that will ensure whether or not kids eat is determined by their parents income, which they have no control over.
First we have Brendan Clarke Smith accusing those wanting to feed kids of "virtue signalling." He's the same bloke who was caught denying the scale of food banks during his election hustings.
And Kieran Mullen, claiming that it's not the state's job to feed kids.
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:14 - Oct 25 with 706 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:11 - Oct 25 by jeera |
I know where you live from building a profile over the years.
In fact, I am watching you right now.
Put that down and get some trousers on btw.
That is not what pumpkins are for. |
Did you notice I had drawn your face on it? |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:15 - Oct 25 with 701 views | jeera |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:14 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
Did you notice I had drawn your face on it? |
I don't have a beard.
Let alone use grooming products.
Edit: those are grooming products? [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:16]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:16 - Oct 25 with 694 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:07 - Oct 25 by HARRY10 |
"There are many of us guilty of forum use when at work."
But thise are not those on here who spout righty nonsense.
the supposed ;threat' was not as this hypocrite is trying to make out, by playing the victim so as to distract from his hypocrisy and lies.
Hypocrisy that sees no wrong in skiving off from work, but condemns those who have lost their jobs and need help to survive.
If this forum is to have credibility, then it has to have accountability. And that means questions should be asked of what a poster has freely posted.
Nothing that has been posted is asking anything of anyone's private lives other than to comment on what they themselves have previously posted - but plenty is being asked of their public pronouncements.
That is what a forum is about. |
The forum has accountability. Users who spout hatred towards any group of people are rightly banned. One user on this very thread was banned, I reported his post for abuse. I assume it’s been the combination of that and his other posts on this thread that have led to his removal.
We all have usernames that are private, unless you are a relative of Ben 10.
Some of us are more open than others. Some people involve themselves in political threads, some don’t.
I completely disagree with Paz. He’s not racist, or the very least not openly racist on the forum like other posters have been.
I’m all for punching racists, I’ve done it before and will do it again. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:16 - Oct 25 with 694 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:15 - Oct 25 by jeera |
I don't have a beard.
Let alone use grooming products.
Edit: those are grooming products? [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:16]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:16 - Oct 25 with 694 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:15 - Oct 25 by jeera |
I don't have a beard.
Let alone use grooming products.
Edit: those are grooming products? [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:16]
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He didn't carve your face and that's not a beard. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:18 - Oct 25 with 689 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:16 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
The forum has accountability. Users who spout hatred towards any group of people are rightly banned. One user on this very thread was banned, I reported his post for abuse. I assume it’s been the combination of that and his other posts on this thread that have led to his removal.
We all have usernames that are private, unless you are a relative of Ben 10.
Some of us are more open than others. Some people involve themselves in political threads, some don’t.
I completely disagree with Paz. He’s not racist, or the very least not openly racist on the forum like other posters have been.
I’m all for punching racists, I’ve done it before and will do it again. |
Genuine question... What's the difference between being racist and supporting racists, defending racists, cheerleading for racists and voting for racists?
If you aren't a racist, why go to all that effort?
It would be like me saying "well, I'm not a Norwich fan, I don't play for them!" despite buying a shirt, season ticket, and going to the games [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:21]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:18 - Oct 25 with 683 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:13 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
Think you're viewing this one strangely.
Being fair, the question was asking for no more of a detailed answer than "I work in retail/food/building/insurance industry" and Paz was entitied to not answer. Pretending it was someway threatening is disingenuous though.
Nobody was asking for work details. I do agree that commenting on posting frequency isn't that helpful. We all go through peaks and lows of when we have free time to post on here. [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:14]
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Sure that’s where the question starts. But if it’s a specific industry, it might not be too difficult to find him.
I’m all for users being banned, personal lives should stay personal unless people are willingly talking about it. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:19 - Oct 25 with 677 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:18 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
Sure that’s where the question starts. But if it’s a specific industry, it might not be too difficult to find him.
I’m all for users being banned, personal lives should stay personal unless people are willingly talking about it. |
Agreed. Like I said, he had the right to refuse to answer. It's bad form to pretend that the poster said something they didn't say though. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:22 - Oct 25 with 659 views | 26_Paz |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:19 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. Like I said, he had the right to refuse to answer. It's bad form to pretend that the poster said something they didn't say though. |
Are we just completely ignoring the fact that I have said I’m sorry if I misread the situation? Surely you can see why I found the line of questioning a little disconcerting? |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:23 - Oct 25 with 660 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:22 - Oct 25 by 26_Paz |
Are we just completely ignoring the fact that I have said I’m sorry if I misread the situation? Surely you can see why I found the line of questioning a little disconcerting? |
I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to a reasonable poster. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:25 - Oct 25 with 650 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:18 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
Genuine question... What's the difference between being racist and supporting racists, defending racists, cheerleading for racists and voting for racists?
If you aren't a racist, why go to all that effort?
It would be like me saying "well, I'm not a Norwich fan, I don't play for them!" despite buying a shirt, season ticket, and going to the games [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:21]
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To be honest mate I couldn’t hit someone standing there cheering for Boris.
I could, and have, hit someone racially abusing MrsN (there have been other incidents of racism where I have stepped in for complete strangers).
Someone laughing at Boris’ stuff is just as bad a people laughing at some of the racial jokes in sitcoms of years gone by.
I can’t really hold my head high due to my willingness to use violence.
I just don’t see any positives from pushing posters for personal information, no matter how obscure.
If he’s worthy of a ban then he should be banned. You won’t find me complaining about anything like that. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:28 - Oct 25 with 644 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:19 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
Agreed. Like I said, he had the right to refuse to answer. It's bad form to pretend that the poster said something they didn't say though. |
Agreed, I may have jumped the gun a bit also.
But I would rather we maintained some form of decency. I’ve made good friends on here, some of which are like family.
Paz didn’t help himself, he should have said “sod off” instead of continuing to play cat and mouse. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:29 - Oct 25 with 642 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:25 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
To be honest mate I couldn’t hit someone standing there cheering for Boris.
I could, and have, hit someone racially abusing MrsN (there have been other incidents of racism where I have stepped in for complete strangers).
Someone laughing at Boris’ stuff is just as bad a people laughing at some of the racial jokes in sitcoms of years gone by.
I can’t really hold my head high due to my willingness to use violence.
I just don’t see any positives from pushing posters for personal information, no matter how obscure.
If he’s worthy of a ban then he should be banned. You won’t find me complaining about anything like that. |
He doesn't deserve a ban. He's just the second coming of Benters.
I know it's not good to mention posters who no longer post but the similarities are so many that I decided I would. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:30 - Oct 25 with 637 views | HARRY10 |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:09 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
But there has been a forum member reported to their work before.
I don’t agree with anything Pazzers posts, he knows I disagree with him. But I see no benefit in obtaining work details.
I think if this is something that is continued then I am happy for my account to be removed. I don’t want to be associated with a forum that will stoop to such levels. |
As you clearly haven't understood this I will post for your benefit.
NO ONE is trying to find out where anyone works,
However to measure the credibility of what someone is posting then it is perfectly legitimate, and should be expected, for their comments to be taken as a whole.
If I am condemning supposed 'benefit scroungers', yet I spend most of the day skiving off, then the latter has relevance.
My comments were not made because of some 'mistake', but to highlight a consistent level of hypocrisy and misinformation posted up by Paz. Even today in misrepresenting what I posted.
Counting someone's posts is an easily available task given they are in the public domain of TWTD. Would anyone be concerned about someone using stats from players appearances etc to make a point ? Similarly would the same acceptance apply to comments made by a player/manager relating to ITFC, when they are freely put in the public domain ?
To try to twist this into some kind of stalking, or even threat to anyone's privacy speaks volumes. It is about being able to be held to account for what someone has posted. |  | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:32 - Oct 25 with 633 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:25 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
To be honest mate I couldn’t hit someone standing there cheering for Boris.
I could, and have, hit someone racially abusing MrsN (there have been other incidents of racism where I have stepped in for complete strangers).
Someone laughing at Boris’ stuff is just as bad a people laughing at some of the racial jokes in sitcoms of years gone by.
I can’t really hold my head high due to my willingness to use violence.
I just don’t see any positives from pushing posters for personal information, no matter how obscure.
If he’s worthy of a ban then he should be banned. You won’t find me complaining about anything like that. |
I'm not saying anyone should get punched. And certainly nobody should have personal details put on the forum that they haven't made public themselves. I don't care what Paz does for a living. I care about what he says on here.
I believe that as a fairly small online community, we have a responsibility to at least hold forum members feet to the fire when they come out with questionable and offensive stuff.
We have an openly pro-Trump poster with a history of laughing at racist jokes aimed at minorities, and who shows no willingness to even give an inch and show any remorse.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then I feel quite confident that it's a duck. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:33 - Oct 25 with 631 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:30 - Oct 25 by HARRY10 |
As you clearly haven't understood this I will post for your benefit.
NO ONE is trying to find out where anyone works,
However to measure the credibility of what someone is posting then it is perfectly legitimate, and should be expected, for their comments to be taken as a whole.
If I am condemning supposed 'benefit scroungers', yet I spend most of the day skiving off, then the latter has relevance.
My comments were not made because of some 'mistake', but to highlight a consistent level of hypocrisy and misinformation posted up by Paz. Even today in misrepresenting what I posted.
Counting someone's posts is an easily available task given they are in the public domain of TWTD. Would anyone be concerned about someone using stats from players appearances etc to make a point ? Similarly would the same acceptance apply to comments made by a player/manager relating to ITFC, when they are freely put in the public domain ?
To try to twist this into some kind of stalking, or even threat to anyone's privacy speaks volumes. It is about being able to be held to account for what someone has posted. |
There's more than enough to criticise him for without going anywhere near his job. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:35 - Oct 25 with 607 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:29 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
He doesn't deserve a ban. He's just the second coming of Benters.
I know it's not good to mention posters who no longer post but the similarities are so many that I decided I would. |
Benters should have been given the boot long before he was. That fella had so many chances to turn it round.
Shame really. He could be quite funny at times. [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:37]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:36 - Oct 25 with 600 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:32 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
I'm not saying anyone should get punched. And certainly nobody should have personal details put on the forum that they haven't made public themselves. I don't care what Paz does for a living. I care about what he says on here.
I believe that as a fairly small online community, we have a responsibility to at least hold forum members feet to the fire when they come out with questionable and offensive stuff.
We have an openly pro-Trump poster with a history of laughing at racist jokes aimed at minorities, and who shows no willingness to even give an inch and show any remorse.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then I feel quite confident that it's a duck. |
I completely agree.
I’ve regularly told him I disagreed with him, and will continue to do so. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:36 - Oct 25 with 601 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:33 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
There's more than enough to criticise him for without going anywhere near his job. |
If someone is going to promote themselves as a working class hero how is it not a fair followup question to ask "well, what is it that you do?"
Nobody would even be asking about Paz's job had he not been mouthing off about how he understands the working man in ways that the rest of the forum don't? [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:38]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:38 - Oct 25 with 593 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:36 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
If someone is going to promote themselves as a working class hero how is it not a fair followup question to ask "well, what is it that you do?"
Nobody would even be asking about Paz's job had he not been mouthing off about how he understands the working man in ways that the rest of the forum don't? [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 15:38]
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Agree but he's made it clear he's uncomfortable with it and as Newcy said, privacy should e respected. Even if you're a cock. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:39 - Oct 25 with 592 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:38 - Oct 25 by J2BLUE |
Agree but he's made it clear he's uncomfortable with it and as Newcy said, privacy should e respected. Even if you're a cock. |
Not sure anyone has said otherwise.
The objections are about his claims he's being stalked or whatever. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:39 - Oct 25 with 584 views | HARRY10 |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:18 - Oct 25 by NewcyBlue |
Sure that’s where the question starts. But if it’s a specific industry, it might not be too difficult to find him.
I’m all for users being banned, personal lives should stay personal unless people are willingly talking about it. |
Which again shows you have not being following this thread - but are happy to bandy the word ban about
Nothing I stated had not been already posted by Paz,
His income and his age and that he was 'working class'.
It was in that light I questioned his ability to post so much during the day, That frequency can be found in numerous other days, as well
So, as said, I don't think it is wrong to question a self professed Tory about regularly skiving off at work when he has such forthright views on the fairness of food vouchers being paid to those who are now unemployed and probably do not enjoy his skiving attitude to work.
My intent was to demonstrate hypocrisy on his part - something I suggest I have succeeded in doing. | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:39 - Oct 25 with 584 views | J2BLUE |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:39 - Oct 25 by SpruceMoose |
Not sure anyone has said otherwise.
The objections are about his claims he's being stalked or whatever. |
Harry doesn't look like he's going to let it go | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:41 - Oct 25 with 577 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:30 - Oct 25 by HARRY10 |
As you clearly haven't understood this I will post for your benefit.
NO ONE is trying to find out where anyone works,
However to measure the credibility of what someone is posting then it is perfectly legitimate, and should be expected, for their comments to be taken as a whole.
If I am condemning supposed 'benefit scroungers', yet I spend most of the day skiving off, then the latter has relevance.
My comments were not made because of some 'mistake', but to highlight a consistent level of hypocrisy and misinformation posted up by Paz. Even today in misrepresenting what I posted.
Counting someone's posts is an easily available task given they are in the public domain of TWTD. Would anyone be concerned about someone using stats from players appearances etc to make a point ? Similarly would the same acceptance apply to comments made by a player/manager relating to ITFC, when they are freely put in the public domain ?
To try to twist this into some kind of stalking, or even threat to anyone's privacy speaks volumes. It is about being able to be held to account for what someone has posted. |
“ As you clearly haven't understood this I will post for your benefit”
You can take that attitude out for a start.
I’d say if you wish to highlight the hypocrisy of posters, do it. Don’t beat around the bush. It wasn’t a giant leap to make.
Count posts, I don’t care about that. I find it amusing.
If you want to point out that Paz is a pr1ck and hypocrite for saying what he does, then say it.
Hey Paz, you’re wrong about the free school meals, people have provided statistics to show so. You agreed with me that the vouchers couldn’t be used for alcohol. How about being less of a pr1ck about it?
See. Easy. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 15:42 - Oct 25 with 572 views | 26_Paz |
| This Free School Meals debate on 15:39 - Oct 25 by HARRY10 |
Which again shows you have not being following this thread - but are happy to bandy the word ban about
Nothing I stated had not been already posted by Paz,
His income and his age and that he was 'working class'.
It was in that light I questioned his ability to post so much during the day, That frequency can be found in numerous other days, as well
So, as said, I don't think it is wrong to question a self professed Tory about regularly skiving off at work when he has such forthright views on the fairness of food vouchers being paid to those who are now unemployed and probably do not enjoy his skiving attitude to work.
My intent was to demonstrate hypocrisy on his part - something I suggest I have succeeded in doing. |
I’m not getting involved anymore mate. Like loads of people on here I often post a bit during the day when I’m at work. That’s pretty normal behaviour | |
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