| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? 16:41 - Dec 2 with 2613 views | Bent_double |
Genuine question, I mean it's the pfizer/Biontech one, not one developed by British companies, so why do we get to be the first to approve it's use? |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 19:15 - Dec 2 with 674 views | HARRY10 |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 16:59 - Dec 2 by MattinLondon |
Er, sorry to be thick. So under the EU agreement the drug can be delivered but Hancock made a change to the law so that this could happen as well.
Isn’t that adding more red tape? |
How was Hancock able to change that law.....if he did ?
As the one thing brexiters have endlessly bleated about is how the UK cannot make its own laws .................
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:11 - Dec 3 with 635 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 17:45 - Dec 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Depends on the level of assurances we want through our regulators. Maybe a more rapid evaluation of a smaller dataset is appropriate (UK), or maybe the more detailed analysis is warranted (EU).
I don't know whether our shortened assessment is sufficient. If it turns out to be, then yes in this case it will have been a benefit. If it turns out it isn't sufficient and hasn't picked up issues, then no it won't have been a benefit. We won't know for some time probably, not that that will stop this turning into another chapter of the Brexit culture war.
Edit - I see we could have done this all along under the emergency measures. So my answer above is to a slightly different question - is our shortened approach better than the more detailed assessment being taken by the EU? Only time will tell. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 17:49]
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The same data has gone to all regulators, so it's not that we are looking at less data - we just have approved it quicker. Whether that's down to more efficient processes or speed reading, who knows. But at the end of the day it's all the same data. |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:42 - Dec 3 with 617 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:11 - Dec 3 by JammyDodgerrr |
The same data has gone to all regulators, so it's not that we are looking at less data - we just have approved it quicker. Whether that's down to more efficient processes or speed reading, who knows. But at the end of the day it's all the same data. |
It was my understanding that we looked at less than the full data set, even though it was provided (that's what's being claimed). The other thing we've done is give Pfizer immunity from prosecution https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indem
I think the bottom line is we've not done anything that we couldn't have already done as a fully paid up member of the EU. That's been made clear by our regulator. Other EU countries could have done the same, but chose not to because they prefer what they see as the more stringent regulatory approach of the European Medicines Agency in order to give more confidence in the vaccine. They won't be giving civil immunity to Pfizer either, which again will increase confidence in the public.
I suspect the EMA will approve that vaccine at their planned meeting on the 29th and this is all a bit of political willy waving. The real challenge is probably based around the logistics of immunising the whole population, including winning over the skeptical/anti-vaxers. |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:44 - Dec 3 with 614 views | DanTheMan |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:42 - Dec 3 by Swansea_Blue |
It was my understanding that we looked at less than the full data set, even though it was provided (that's what's being claimed). The other thing we've done is give Pfizer immunity from prosecution https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indem
I think the bottom line is we've not done anything that we couldn't have already done as a fully paid up member of the EU. That's been made clear by our regulator. Other EU countries could have done the same, but chose not to because they prefer what they see as the more stringent regulatory approach of the European Medicines Agency in order to give more confidence in the vaccine. They won't be giving civil immunity to Pfizer either, which again will increase confidence in the public.
I suspect the EMA will approve that vaccine at their planned meeting on the 29th and this is all a bit of political willy waving. The real challenge is probably based around the logistics of immunising the whole population, including winning over the skeptical/anti-vaxers. |
"Pfizer given protection from legal action by UK government"
I missed that, what a ridiculous thing to do. |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 10:04 - Dec 3 with 601 views | StokieBlue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:44 - Dec 3 by DanTheMan |
"Pfizer given protection from legal action by UK government"
I missed that, what a ridiculous thing to do. |
That happens a lot though and I believe there is even a law in the US around it.
The Oxford vaccine is also asking for protection, although they are doing their vaccine at not-for-profit during the pandemic and forever in developing countries.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazen
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 10:05 - Dec 3 with 605 views | blueasfook |
its all part of the continuing Tory plan to kill off the old and vulnerable in society to save money.
Covid didn't do enough of a job so Plan B is to inject with a dodgy vaccine.
Facters, when are you booked in for yours? |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 13:56 - Dec 3 with 570 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 10:05 - Dec 3 by blueasfook |
its all part of the continuing Tory plan to kill off the old and vulnerable in society to save money.
Covid didn't do enough of a job so Plan B is to inject with a dodgy vaccine.
Facters, when are you booked in for yours? |
Considering that's most of their voter base a doubt it.... | | | |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 14:12 - Dec 3 with 559 views | Pinewoodblue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 10:05 - Dec 3 by blueasfook |
its all part of the continuing Tory plan to kill off the old and vulnerable in society to save money.
Covid didn't do enough of a job so Plan B is to inject with a dodgy vaccine.
Facters, when are you booked in for yours? |
Factors will be OK they are not weeding out oldens in Tory held constituencies. |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 14:26 - Dec 3 with 544 views | BloomBlue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 09:42 - Dec 3 by Swansea_Blue |
It was my understanding that we looked at less than the full data set, even though it was provided (that's what's being claimed). The other thing we've done is give Pfizer immunity from prosecution https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indem
I think the bottom line is we've not done anything that we couldn't have already done as a fully paid up member of the EU. That's been made clear by our regulator. Other EU countries could have done the same, but chose not to because they prefer what they see as the more stringent regulatory approach of the European Medicines Agency in order to give more confidence in the vaccine. They won't be giving civil immunity to Pfizer either, which again will increase confidence in the public.
I suspect the EMA will approve that vaccine at their planned meeting on the 29th and this is all a bit of political willy waving. The real challenge is probably based around the logistics of immunising the whole population, including winning over the skeptical/anti-vaxers. |
But isn't that a catch 22 'they won't be giving civil immunity to Pfizer either' ? Surely only a civil case would be required if there was a serious side effect to the vaccine? So by not giving them civil immunity isn't that saying we're not sure of the future implications of this vaccine and in x years we could discover horrible side effects, hence by not giving them civil immunity isn't that playing into the hands of the anti vaxxers? |  | | |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:15 - Dec 3 with 531 views | giant_stow |
Gavin "go away and shut up" Williamson reckons its because "we're a better country".
I always wanted a 5 year old in charge of education. [Post edited 3 Dec 2020 15:15]
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:27 - Dec 3 with 521 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 14:26 - Dec 3 by BloomBlue |
But isn't that a catch 22 'they won't be giving civil immunity to Pfizer either' ? Surely only a civil case would be required if there was a serious side effect to the vaccine? So by not giving them civil immunity isn't that saying we're not sure of the future implications of this vaccine and in x years we could discover horrible side effects, hence by not giving them civil immunity isn't that playing into the hands of the anti vaxxers? |
I don't see a problem with having a legal route to hold these companies to account in the event that something goes wrong. There's nothing to suggest there will be a problem with this particular vaccine, but it still protects the rights of the people.
Isn't it just a matter of who do you protect more: the people or big business? in this case it may have nothing to do with speeding up the regulation process - it might just be lobbying pressure and people it the government who have a vested interest in their share price (or some such). It's what we expect from this type of government. [Post edited 3 Dec 2020 15:40]
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:34 - Dec 3 with 515 views | NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55175162
According to Gavin Williamson it's because we're a better country.
'Speaking to LBC radio on Thursday, Mr Williamson said: "I just reckon we've got the very best people in this country and we've obviously got the best medical regulator, much better than the French have, much better than the Belgians have, much better than the Americans have.
"That doesn't surprise me at all, because we're a much better country than every single one of them."'
I bet his mum's fatter than my mum too.
What a load of cringeworthy Trumpian shoite. I have no idea whether there's even any subjective truth in what he says - there may be - but that sort of childish rhetoric just so demeans politics and politicians. FFS grow up. |  |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:42 - Dec 3 with 500 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:34 - Dec 3 by NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55175162
According to Gavin Williamson it's because we're a better country.
'Speaking to LBC radio on Thursday, Mr Williamson said: "I just reckon we've got the very best people in this country and we've obviously got the best medical regulator, much better than the French have, much better than the Belgians have, much better than the Americans have.
"That doesn't surprise me at all, because we're a much better country than every single one of them."'
I bet his mum's fatter than my mum too.
What a load of cringeworthy Trumpian shoite. I have no idea whether there's even any subjective truth in what he says - there may be - but that sort of childish rhetoric just so demeans politics and politicians. FFS grow up. |
I saw the clip, and thought he was just taking the pee. It certainly seemed a bit tongue in cheek. It was classic Johnson-style deflection by answering with a theatrical response to avoid the actual question. | |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:51 - Dec 3 with 494 views | NthQldITFC |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:42 - Dec 3 by Swansea_Blue |
I saw the clip, and thought he was just taking the pee. It certainly seemed a bit tongue in cheek. It was classic Johnson-style deflection by answering with a theatrical response to avoid the actual question. |
Oh, looks like I've been whooshed by Williamson then, prematurely jumping on the indignancy bandwagon!
Yes, just seen the clip, silly me, lesson learned (for now). | |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:54 - Dec 3 with 487 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 15:51 - Dec 3 by NthQldITFC |
Oh, looks like I've been whooshed by Williamson then, prematurely jumping on the indignancy bandwagon!
Yes, just seen the clip, silly me, lesson learned (for now). |
Or I'm being too lenient. Everyone else seems to thing it was pathetic and he's a bellend. But I do think it was an attempt at that jokey, dismissive style Johnson has. Williamson can't pull it off as well though that's for sure. | |
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| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 13:00 - Dec 4 with 427 views | MalcolmBlue |
| How come the UK is the first country to approve the use of the vaccine? on 17:29 - Dec 2 by woiii |
Ah so it was a lie. I'm a bit surprised that the EU doesn't stop any country from approving whatever drugs it wants to though. |
Health is a member states competency, so it's up to the national governments to rule on anything health-related. After the pandemic, they are looking to align on health matters a little bit more but it will probably regard access to vaccines and equipment more than anything major. Unfortunately, the EU is hamstrung on several key matters by not being federalised. Ironically, although the threat of federalisation was used as a tool to get people to vote for Brexit, if the EU was a federal union Brexit probably wouldn't have happened because it would've made even less sense. |  |
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