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Well done Brexit voters on 11:50 - Jan 7 by clive_baker
This is what I'm confused about. I'm keen to understand the detail behind what specifically has attracted increased cost resulting from Brexit, more for my own understanding, as it hasn't impacted me. I'm passionately pro remain, more from a social perspective as I love Europe, my wife is European (southern Ireland) and I love spending time there. I hate the negative sentiment this has all caused towards the UK. I'm proudly British, and it's not a good look to be regarded as an absolute chopper by most of Europe for the past 5 years. I think balance is important though and it's important we actually understand the economic realities rather than just saying 'bloody Brexit' and not questioning anything. We live in a dangerous, polarising world where we've had 5 years of being brainwashed that either the EU is the best thing since sliced bread or the absolute devil depending on which paper we read. The reality is its neither.
Brexit has been a real minefield for me, and I've lost count of the time I've spent preparing for something with such little certainty about what we're meant to be 'getting ready' for. That's the true cost, which hasn't been insignificant. The working capital pressures of December were significant too, as customer went longer on stock thanks to all the uncertainty around a deal. All of the uncertainty that the past 4 years has created has been more damaging than any of the underlying changes for me. If there are any actual tariffs impacting business then I'm yet to know about them but very keen to learn the detail.
I voted remain and am still just about a remainer. Bizarrely the main thing that has made me more acceptable to Brexit is the attitude of some of the remainers bloody moaning all the time.
I think one thing sums it up for me about the constant whingers, they wanted to take no deal off the table. This one thing proves beyond doubt that these people haven't got a single bloody clue about how the world operates. How the hell can you go into a meeting with the opposition knowing they cannot lose? Once we got over that hurdle there was always going to be a deal and it was always going to be last minute, my only surprise is that it happened so quickly, I thought it would be agreed at five to midnight on NYE.
I am at the perfect age of having seen the transition of Europe since the 70's. What was initially voted for was the Common Market, a trading block, a trading block that The French wouldn't let us join initially.
Then we got The EEC and then we got The EU, looking back it seems to have been a perfect coup, we really have been stitched up by The Man. Brussels is a gravy train for "Them". Give me freedom of trade, give me freedom of movement, give me immigration, give me harmony - but Brussels can do one.
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“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:05 - Jan 7 by Keaneish
I think you and Jeera are looking at this through a different lens than me. You seem to be talking about large manufacturing opportunities that will impact GDP, I’m referring more to the opportunity for individuals to take advantage and build something of their own where gaps are opening up.
Opportunity always exists in times like this and plenty of businesses flourish - there’s an article on BBC from Elon Musk about how to benefit from market volatility at the moment. I think anyone suggesting otherwise is either lacking vision or pointing to the past. No doubt we need to pivot and diversify but opportunity is out there. Naturally there’s IP considerations as Moriaty states.
I think the point is all of the opportunities existed prior to Brexit. What have we unlocked by leaving that we couldn't have accessed previously?
I don't for a second think Brexit is catastrophic for business to be honest, post trade deal. If people wanted to regain sovereignty and disenfranchise ourselves from the EU then fine, I have a bit of sympathy for that, I'm pro Europe but ambivalent towards the European Union, and they are very distinct matters. But it will come at a cost economically.
I don't disagree that there's opportunity though, there's always opportunity, Brexit or otherwise. I woke up at 6am today with an NPD idea that I'm so excited for. Just have the small task of finding someone to make it now...
Well done Brexit voters on 08:52 - Jan 7 by Swansea_Blue
Not only that, it's about choice for the consumer as well isn't it? If I want a pair of genuine hand stitched Bavarian lederhosen, I don't want some knock-up a bloke in Bognor Regis has tried to put together.
'I'm sure we can cobble something together' is is a pathetic defense for us losing our choice (or at best making it much more expensive). Very naive too. We 'The People' lose out, as seemingly is always the case.
There's also the point made on a Twitter thread a few days ago (unfortunately can't find it now) about the UK no longer having protected industries which enable self-suffiency in critical areas such as steel-making, & of course crucially right now, laboratories & vaccination production.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:05 - Jan 7 by Keaneish
I think you and Jeera are looking at this through a different lens than me. You seem to be talking about large manufacturing opportunities that will impact GDP, I’m referring more to the opportunity for individuals to take advantage and build something of their own where gaps are opening up.
Opportunity always exists in times like this and plenty of businesses flourish - there’s an article on BBC from Elon Musk about how to benefit from market volatility at the moment. I think anyone suggesting otherwise is either lacking vision or pointing to the past. No doubt we need to pivot and diversify but opportunity is out there. Naturally there’s IP considerations as Moriaty states.
If you're not referring to manufacturing goods, which is where we started and which requires more than just a one man band to scale up, then what specifically are these opportunities? Quoting Elon Musk, who is a billionaire with a massive business, isn't really sufficient.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:15 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan
I voted remain and am still just about a remainer. Bizarrely the main thing that has made me more acceptable to Brexit is the attitude of some of the remainers bloody moaning all the time.
I think one thing sums it up for me about the constant whingers, they wanted to take no deal off the table. This one thing proves beyond doubt that these people haven't got a single bloody clue about how the world operates. How the hell can you go into a meeting with the opposition knowing they cannot lose? Once we got over that hurdle there was always going to be a deal and it was always going to be last minute, my only surprise is that it happened so quickly, I thought it would be agreed at five to midnight on NYE.
I am at the perfect age of having seen the transition of Europe since the 70's. What was initially voted for was the Common Market, a trading block, a trading block that The French wouldn't let us join initially.
Then we got The EEC and then we got The EU, looking back it seems to have been a perfect coup, we really have been stitched up by The Man. Brussels is a gravy train for "Them". Give me freedom of trade, give me freedom of movement, give me immigration, give me harmony - but Brussels can do one.
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2nd paragraph couldn't agree more, it's basic negotiation to leave no deal on the table and the suggestion that it should've been taken off was absurd. I got the nervousness, as Johnson is wholly unpredictable and hasn't proven himself competent in many areas, so the risk of leaving without a deal was too much for some. I agree the direction of travel was pointing towards a deal and said as much on here in December, there was just a lot of political posturing around it.
The way I see it is we are where we are, I lost and I'm over it, now lets make it work. I feel like a lot of people value some satisfaction in saying 'told you so' greater than living in a prosperous society that gives opportunities for our kids and future generations and sentiment plays a big part in that. The agility of UK business should never be underestimated, nor the Brexit impact overstated.
Well done Brexit voters on 11:16 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue
I am so sorry for not just moaning and whinging about this. It has happened, so I either find reasons to keep crying over spilt milk over what was, or try and move on. I have decided to do the latter, if you want to mope and crave for the past, feel free. But according to most, we import more than we sell, so it will affect the EU more than it will us
'Get behind your country', eh?
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:23 - Jan 7 by clive_baker
2nd paragraph couldn't agree more, it's basic negotiation to leave no deal on the table and the suggestion that it should've been taken off was absurd. I got the nervousness, as Johnson is wholly unpredictable and hasn't proven himself competent in many areas, so the risk of leaving without a deal was too much for some. I agree the direction of travel was pointing towards a deal and said as much on here in December, there was just a lot of political posturing around it.
The way I see it is we are where we are, I lost and I'm over it, now lets make it work. I feel like a lot of people value some satisfaction in saying 'told you so' greater than living in a prosperous society that gives opportunities for our kids and future generations and sentiment plays a big part in that. The agility of UK business should never be underestimated, nor the Brexit impact overstated.
Hard brexiters want the EU to fail and hard remainers want UK to fail.
These people are the same to me.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:22 - Jan 7 by Herbivore
If you're not referring to manufacturing goods, which is where we started and which requires more than just a one man band to scale up, then what specifically are these opportunities? Quoting Elon Musk, who is a billionaire with a massive business, isn't really sufficient.
We’re talking about macro or micro opportunities whether in manufacturing or not and to answer Clive Baker at the same time, Brexit has changed sentiment and within that there’s opportunity.
For the last two and a half years I’ve been working on a new UK centric brand idea not just because it taps into sentiment but also because it addresses problems that were there pre-Brexit but are now much more under the microscope. Within this brand idea, I’ve also developed a new sustainable packaging innovation which is patent pending. The idea is to launch the brand as a working model to prove market traction and gain investment before rolling out the packaging innovation. Whether this fails or succeeds is to be determined but the opportunity exists because 82% of the ingredients I use to make up 8 products grow locally but are all imported.
The long term objective is to change this paradigm by creating awareness, supporting British farming and, in time, create greater bio-diversity in the UK.
It’s probably easy to look at this and identify lots of points of failures, which are, in all probability likely as the long term roadmap is very unlikely unachievable. However, this opportunity exists and post-brexit, National sentiment is prime for ventures like this.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:37 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan
Why?..............
Because they're mostly overseas firms. Medicine is a global industry. You can't just set up a pharmaceutical company with good old fashioned British derring-do.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:41 - Jan 7 by BlueBadger
Because they're mostly overseas firms. Medicine is a global industry. You can't just set up a pharmaceutical company with good old fashioned British derring-do.
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Sorry, I am guilty of maybe not reading the thread correctly.
I thought you were saying that medicines will be dearer because of Brexit.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:41 - Jan 7 by Keaneish
We’re talking about macro or micro opportunities whether in manufacturing or not and to answer Clive Baker at the same time, Brexit has changed sentiment and within that there’s opportunity.
For the last two and a half years I’ve been working on a new UK centric brand idea not just because it taps into sentiment but also because it addresses problems that were there pre-Brexit but are now much more under the microscope. Within this brand idea, I’ve also developed a new sustainable packaging innovation which is patent pending. The idea is to launch the brand as a working model to prove market traction and gain investment before rolling out the packaging innovation. Whether this fails or succeeds is to be determined but the opportunity exists because 82% of the ingredients I use to make up 8 products grow locally but are all imported.
The long term objective is to change this paradigm by creating awareness, supporting British farming and, in time, create greater bio-diversity in the UK.
It’s probably easy to look at this and identify lots of points of failures, which are, in all probability likely as the long term roadmap is very unlikely unachievable. However, this opportunity exists and post-brexit, National sentiment is prime for ventures like this.
I don't think that really answers the questions raised, but I sincerely wish you luck in your venture.
Well done Brexit voters on 10:29 - Jan 7 by Herbivore
There really isn't. We are smaller and poorer for leaving the EU. Despite the pandemic, we have relatively low levels of unemployment so where are we going to find people to staff up all of these companies that are going to provide things we previously sourced from the EU? We no longer have freedom of movement to fill labour gaps with EU workers either.
The labour gap could be filled by the mass unemployment, that project fear told us would result from Brexit
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Well done Brexit voters on 12:56 - Jan 7 with 811 views
Well done Brexit voters on 11:55 - Jan 7 by Herbivore
And what happens to the vacancies created by people moving from domestic firm to domestic firm? You're not introducing any new labour into the system to meet the dands of the UK becoming a manufacturing powerhouse. This has nothing to do with wages, it's to do with rapidly scaling up our manufacturing sector so we are less reliant on imports without having the manpower to do so.
Unless there is a reverse in globalisation, we will never become a manufacturing powerhouse, as it's cheaper to produce elsewhere, even with import duties.
However, there will be short term gains here for the lower skilled jobs as the end of free movement puts a squeeze on the labour market. I'm not even pro-Brexit, but I've never understood why some of the more socialist leaning people on here were/are for the free movement of labour, to the detriment of the lower paid/skilled workers here.
Well done Brexit voters on 12:52 - Jan 7 by Herbivore
I don't think that really answers the questions raised, but I sincerely wish you luck in your venture.
Thanks. There’s opportunity within this for lots of different manufacturing or production techniques which currently exist overseas but not here for different reasons. I’m under no illusion to make any kind of impact to change that is an exceptionally difficult task but everything needs a first step. Creating demand and generating awareness is that first step.
The labour gap could be filled by the mass unemployment, that project fear told us would result from Brexit
Not sure that'd work, mate. A lot of job losses will result from manufacturing companies moving operations out of the UK so we will need to replace those as well as having this manufacturing boom so we don't have to import so much anymore. I'm not entirely convinced you've thought this through.
Unless there is a reverse in globalisation, we will never become a manufacturing powerhouse, as it's cheaper to produce elsewhere, even with import duties.
However, there will be short term gains here for the lower skilled jobs as the end of free movement puts a squeeze on the labour market. I'm not even pro-Brexit, but I've never understood why some of the more socialist leaning people on here were/are for the free movement of labour, to the detriment of the lower paid/skilled workers here.
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