| Well done Brexit voters 06:04 - Jan 7 with 7909 views | BryanPlug |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:10 - Jan 7 with 2330 views | BryanPlug |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:07 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
Nothing will change overnight, that`s why I said it gives people an opportunity. There will always be a period where it will be difficult. but in the end, it should make a better manufacturing base in this country. People have always complained that Britain has lost most of this, and this is partly down to belonging to the EU. |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:11 - Jan 7 with 2326 views | Moriarty |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:52 - Jan 7 by jeera |
It's a real bizarre take isn't it, and one I have heard a lot.
As though no one in this country was allowed to manufacture before now.
Those that closed down were outpriced, it's pretty straightforward. The only way would have been of course to take on foreigners who were prepared to work for relative pennies - oh yes, that happened for years too. Then the blighters went and got 'rights'.
Besides, we don't want foreigners now either so what can you do? |
It certainly is a bizarre take.
From an Irish point of view, it’s also somewhat ironic that the policy of self sufficiency was a pillar of the political party whose Irish translation means “ourselves alone”, ie Sinn Fein. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:14 - Jan 7 with 2323 views | tiptreeblue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:52 - Jan 7 by jeera |
It's a real bizarre take isn't it, and one I have heard a lot.
As though no one in this country was allowed to manufacture before now.
Those that closed down were outpriced, it's pretty straightforward. The only way would have been of course to take on foreigners who were prepared to work for relative pennies - oh yes, that happened for years too. Then the blighters went and got 'rights'.
Besides, we don't want foreigners now either so what can you do? |
The difference (I believe) now is the fact that there will now be tariffs on imported good, which will make them dearer, which in turn, will make it more beneficial to produce them in this country |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:23 - Jan 7 with 2315 views | BlueBadger |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:09 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
Where have I said that, if you want to buy foreign goods, you shouldn`t. If that`s what you want, then feel free to do so. BUT then, don`t complain about import duties. That`s all i`m saying |
The other side of this of course, is that presumably everything we now export will carry a similar duty and be more expensive and thus, more difficult to sell.
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:28 - Jan 7 with 2304 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:31 - Jan 7 by MonkeyAlan |
Will give entrepreneurs a real chance in this country in the long term. Will open up opportunities. |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:29 - Jan 7 with 2292 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters on 08:53 - Jan 7 by Keaneish |
No it won’t but opportunity exists. It’s not a short term option starting from now but many people got the ball rolling 2 or 3 years ago. It’ll take time for sure but there’s positivity in this. |
There really isn't. We are smaller and poorer for leaving the EU. Despite the pandemic, we have relatively low levels of unemployment so where are we going to find people to staff up all of these companies that are going to provide things we previously sourced from the EU? We no longer have freedom of movement to fill labour gaps with EU workers either. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:51 - Jan 7 with 2279 views | clive_baker |
What's the charge for? Presumably that's VAT related, which would've been reflected in a lower purchase price so it's not incremental.
I import and export for work and after the absolute sh1t show that was December thanks to the governments inability to give any clarity and the 11th hour agreement with the EU, things are now getting smoother for me. There's additional paperwork in the form of providing a commercial invoice and T2L documentation but to be honest it's nothing too bad. We were already providing that on imports from anywhere outside of the EU anyway.
I'm just glad we dodged a no deal & the tariffs that would've brought with it. Most of my products would've been subject to an 8% tariff which would've made them unviable. I was getting ready to move production back to the UK which would've made them 2% more expensive all things considered, which would've been passed on to our retailers and ultimately end customers. But that's not an issue now. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 10:57]
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:54 - Jan 7 with 2261 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:07 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
Nothing will change overnight, that`s why I said it gives people an opportunity. There will always be a period where it will be difficult. but in the end, it should make a better manufacturing base in this country. People have always complained that Britain has lost most of this, and this is partly down to belonging to the EU. |
So you think we're going to have a manufacturing renaissance out of nowhere to compensate? Why didn't that happen whilst we were in the EU then? You vaguely blame them for our lack of manufacturing, but I'd rather have some specifics on why we couldn't manufacture stuff for ourselves when we were still in the EU. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:55 - Jan 7 with 2265 views | clive_baker |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:31 - Jan 7 by MonkeyAlan |
Will give entrepreneurs a real chance in this country in the long term. Will open up opportunities. |
Nonsense. Net net it will limit opportunities, both professionally and socially and UK output will likely be compromised. Just about any economic forecast you can find has concluded that.
The only thing we can be grateful for is the manner in which we left, with a workable deal, but lets not kid ourselves that this deal is better than no Brexit at all. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 10:57 - Jan 7 with 2262 views | StokieBlue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:31 - Jan 7 by MonkeyAlan |
Will give entrepreneurs a real chance in this country in the long term. Will open up opportunities. |
Can you explain, using your own words and if possible not using "good egg", how they didn't have those opportunities before Brexit?
That will involve you writing more than a single sentence I am afraid.
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:05 - Jan 7 with 2251 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:14 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
The difference (I believe) now is the fact that there will now be tariffs on imported good, which will make them dearer, which in turn, will make it more beneficial to produce them in this country |
There are no tariffs.
Goods will not be more expensive providing you buy them in UK.
If you buy a GI Joe from Toymaster UK it will cost you £20, if you are a Cheap Charlie and decide to buy your GI Joe from Acme.fr because it's £1 cheaper then expect to pay VAT on it
Half the people are always banging on about tax evasion yet start crying if they have to pay HMRC something out of their own pocket. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:10 - Jan 7 with 2235 views | tiptreeblue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:10 - Jan 7 by BryanPlug |
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I was talking about producing stuff. And if you don`t like the new price, then don`t buy it. YOU have a choice | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:16 - Jan 7 with 2224 views | tiptreeblue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:23 - Jan 7 by BlueBadger |
The other side of this of course, is that presumably everything we now export will carry a similar duty and be more expensive and thus, more difficult to sell.
*slow handclap for the Patriotic Decent Right* |
I am so sorry for not just moaning and whinging about this. It has happened, so I either find reasons to keep crying over spilt milk over what was, or try and move on. I have decided to do the latter, if you want to mope and crave for the past, feel free. But according to most, we import more than we sell, so it will affect the EU more than it will us | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:20 - Jan 7 with 2208 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:16 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
I am so sorry for not just moaning and whinging about this. It has happened, so I either find reasons to keep crying over spilt milk over what was, or try and move on. I have decided to do the latter, if you want to mope and crave for the past, feel free. But according to most, we import more than we sell, so it will affect the EU more than it will us |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:22 - Jan 7 with 2213 views | BryanPlug |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:05 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
There are no tariffs.
Goods will not be more expensive providing you buy them in UK.
If you buy a GI Joe from Toymaster UK it will cost you £20, if you are a Cheap Charlie and decide to buy your GI Joe from Acme.fr because it's £1 cheaper then expect to pay VAT on it
Half the people are always banging on about tax evasion yet start crying if they have to pay HMRC something out of their own pocket. |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:24 - Jan 7 with 2203 views | tiptreeblue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:20 - Jan 7 by Herbivore |
Jesus wept. |
Sorry, I will just agree with you, it`s easier to by a moany old git and just sit back and just complain anyway | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:30 - Jan 7 with 2180 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:22 - Jan 7 by BryanPlug |
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Can you expand on this?
I import regularly from Germany and Italy and everything is the same as it ever was, there are no increased expenses.
The only way there will be an increase is if as a consumer you buy direct from Europe to save a couple of quid, as far as business imports go nothing has changed. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:32 - Jan 7 with 2165 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:29 - Jan 7 by Herbivore |
There really isn't. We are smaller and poorer for leaving the EU. Despite the pandemic, we have relatively low levels of unemployment so where are we going to find people to staff up all of these companies that are going to provide things we previously sourced from the EU? We no longer have freedom of movement to fill labour gaps with EU workers either. |
Then wages will have to go up to attract employees from other domestic firms.
Or we will have to start training people up rather than simply pinching them from elsewhere.
Obviously it could lead to cost increases for the consumer, but you were complaining about low wages recently. | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:33 - Jan 7 with 2161 views | hype313 |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:24 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
Sorry, I will just agree with you, it`s easier to by a moany old git and just sit back and just complain anyway |
No, it's because you haven't put a coherent argument together, just Daily Express soundbites. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:33 - Jan 7 with 2165 views | SouperJim |
£12.40 of that (or at least that was the figure last I checked) will be royal mail's utterly extortionate handling fee. They'll be making a killing over the next few months while people get to grips with the changes. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:50 - Jan 7 with 2145 views | clive_baker |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:30 - Jan 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Can you expand on this?
I import regularly from Germany and Italy and everything is the same as it ever was, there are no increased expenses.
The only way there will be an increase is if as a consumer you buy direct from Europe to save a couple of quid, as far as business imports go nothing has changed. |
This is what I'm confused about. I'm keen to understand the detail behind what specifically has attracted increased cost resulting from Brexit, more for my own understanding, as it hasn't impacted me. I'm passionately pro remain, more from a social perspective as I love Europe, my wife is European (southern Ireland) and I love spending time there. I hate the negative sentiment this has all caused towards the UK. I'm proudly British, and it's not a good look to be regarded as an absolute chopper by most of Europe for the past 5 years. I think balance is important though and it's important we actually understand the economic realities rather than just saying 'bloody Brexit' and not questioning anything. We live in a dangerous, polarising world where we've had 5 years of being brainwashed that either the EU is the best thing since sliced bread or the absolute devil depending on which paper we read. The reality is its neither.
Brexit has been a real minefield for me, and I've lost count of the time I've spent preparing for something with such little certainty about what we're meant to be 'getting ready' for. That's the true cost, which hasn't been insignificant. The working capital pressures of December were significant too, as customer went longer on stock thanks to all the uncertainty around a deal. All of the uncertainty that the past 4 years has created has been more damaging than any of the underlying changes for me. If there are any actual tariffs impacting business then I'm yet to know about them but very keen to learn the detail. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:51 - Jan 7 with 2139 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:24 - Jan 7 by tiptreeblue |
Sorry, I will just agree with you, it`s easier to by a moany old git and just sit back and just complain anyway |
Basing your world view on made up stuff and fantasy isn't a good way to go, but if that's the path you want to choose then fair enough. Look at last night as an example of where it can lead though. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 11:55 - Jan 7 with 2132 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters on 11:32 - Jan 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Then wages will have to go up to attract employees from other domestic firms.
Or we will have to start training people up rather than simply pinching them from elsewhere.
Obviously it could lead to cost increases for the consumer, but you were complaining about low wages recently. |
And what happens to the vacancies created by people moving from domestic firm to domestic firm? You're not introducing any new labour into the system to meet the dands of the UK becoming a manufacturing powerhouse. This has nothing to do with wages, it's to do with rapidly scaling up our manufacturing sector so we are less reliant on imports without having the manpower to do so. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 12:02 - Jan 7 with 2116 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well done Brexit voters on 09:57 - Jan 7 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but the football is better now. |
Lol. This is where I would happily we pay customs duties to import a real manager. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters on 12:05 - Jan 7 with 2113 views | Keaneish |
| Well done Brexit voters on 10:29 - Jan 7 by Herbivore |
There really isn't. We are smaller and poorer for leaving the EU. Despite the pandemic, we have relatively low levels of unemployment so where are we going to find people to staff up all of these companies that are going to provide things we previously sourced from the EU? We no longer have freedom of movement to fill labour gaps with EU workers either. |
I think you and Jeera are looking at this through a different lens than me. You seem to be talking about large manufacturing opportunities that will impact GDP, I’m referring more to the opportunity for individuals to take advantage and build something of their own where gaps are opening up.
Opportunity always exists in times like this and plenty of businesses flourish - there’s an article on BBC from Elon Musk about how to benefit from market volatility at the moment. I think anyone suggesting otherwise is either lacking vision or pointing to the past. No doubt we need to pivot and diversify but opportunity is out there. Naturally there’s IP considerations as Moriaty states. |  |
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