| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:19 - Jan 26 with 1965 views | hype313 |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:18 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
question from a simpleton: what's FDI? |
Foreign Direct Investment |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:22 - Jan 26 with 1961 views | giant_stow |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:19 - Jan 26 by hype313 |
Foreign Direct Investment |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:24 - Jan 26 with 1958 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 14:20 - Jan 26 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Plus many of us who voted to Remain were in the "Remain and Reform from the inside" camp. This is a good example of the need for reform in some of the ways that the EU operates.
Of course if Remain had won then the Oxford vaccine would also have been an EU vaccine and would have been more of a first choice option for them.
But let's not get away from it: this is a political and public relations disaster for the EU. Brexit Britain has been better at acquiring the vaccine as a Third Country than the EU has as a bloc. That's not an easy sell to those making waves in many member countries.
The simple answer is "Boris lucked out that the Oxford vaccine worked first time, the French took a different approach and it didn't pay off." That's not down to any clever strategy from Boris or lack of such a strategy from the EU. It's simply down to the fact that Professor Sarah Gilbert's career path had her in Oxford at this point, rather than Zurich or Massachusetts or any other world top ten University.
But in simple terms: Boris won, von der Leyden lost. The nuances of "Why?" will be lost. |
That is a damn fine post. |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:24 - Jan 26 with 1957 views | Churchman |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:18 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
question from a simpleton: what's FDI? |
I think it’s ‘Foreign Direct Investment’
Edit: I was as late as a Jonathan Douglas tackle [Post edited 26 Jan 2021 16:27]
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:54 - Jan 26 with 1921 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:06 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
I've seen Peston's account repeated elsewhere previously, at least on when the contracts were signed - think its pretty trust-worthy when taken with the others. Apart from anything, its clear that the EU are moving slower as they haven't approved the AZ one yet.
This is all smacks of politicians looking to place blame elsewhere, with AZ being a very convenient target. |
So you won’t blame AZ if the UK rollout stalls because of manufacturing/supply issues that mean we get less than half the promised doses? Ditto for Pfizer?
I certainly wouldn’t blame the UK government in that situation.
The later authorisation is a separate but parallel issue. Legitimate questions can be asked of the EU authorities if this was due diligence or unnecessary delay. I tend to lean towards the idea that shortcuts/taking a bit of a gamble were warranted in the UK given the pressure to curb transmission. But if it comes back to bite us in the @rse or the delayed second dose idea is detrimental then I guess we can re-evaluate. |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:02 - Jan 26 with 1904 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 08:18 - Jan 26 by 26_Paz |
Disgraceful behaviour from the failed trading bloc |
Well said Paz. But pretty typical don't you think? |  | | |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:19 - Jan 26 with 1885 views | 26_Paz |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:02 - Jan 26 by MonkeyAlan |
Well said Paz. But pretty typical don't you think? |
Absolutely mate. I will never understand this place’s love for the failed project. |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:25 - Jan 26 with 1875 views | MattinLondon |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:19 - Jan 26 by 26_Paz |
Absolutely mate. I will never understand this place’s love for the failed project. |
Why is it a failed project? Currently there are several European countries in the process of negotiating to join - hardly the basis for a failed project. |  | | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:29 - Jan 26 with 1865 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:25 - Jan 26 by MattinLondon |
Why is it a failed project? Currently there are several European countries in the process of negotiating to join - hardly the basis for a failed project. |
It's not failed, and is going to be ever more relevant despite the current vaccination 'crisis'.
However, I'm not sure Albania and North Macedonia knocking on the door is the best example of it's relevance! |  | | |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:30 - Jan 26 with 1865 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:19 - Jan 26 by 26_Paz |
Absolutely mate. I will never understand this place’s love for the failed project. |
Because you’re looking through the @rse end of the telescope.
You can’t see that our own political class and government is much worse than the EU. And what we should have been focusing on these past 10-20 years. Not least because they are far more directly responsible for the political, social and economic weaknesses that spawned Brexit and were exploited by xenophobic charlatans and self-interested liars. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:44 - Jan 26 with 1840 views | giant_stow |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:54 - Jan 26 by Darth_Koont |
So you won’t blame AZ if the UK rollout stalls because of manufacturing/supply issues that mean we get less than half the promised doses? Ditto for Pfizer?
I certainly wouldn’t blame the UK government in that situation.
The later authorisation is a separate but parallel issue. Legitimate questions can be asked of the EU authorities if this was due diligence or unnecessary delay. I tend to lean towards the idea that shortcuts/taking a bit of a gamble were warranted in the UK given the pressure to curb transmission. But if it comes back to bite us in the @rse or the delayed second dose idea is detrimental then I guess we can re-evaluate. |
Hypothetically, I *would* blame the UK govt if they ordered late and then threatenned to shut down exports of other vacines to cover their mistake, yeap. In fact, I'd bang on about those shyster tories who always lie and point the finger elsewhere.
Back to the real world as it stands, I *wouldn't* blame the UK govt for any supply hiccups now, as they've done what they could as quickly as they could at their end. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:51 - Jan 26 with 1829 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:44 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
Hypothetically, I *would* blame the UK govt if they ordered late and then threatenned to shut down exports of other vacines to cover their mistake, yeap. In fact, I'd bang on about those shyster tories who always lie and point the finger elsewhere.
Back to the real world as it stands, I *wouldn't* blame the UK govt for any supply hiccups now, as they've done what they could as quickly as they could at their end. |
You’re comparing apples and pears. It’s not per se connected to the original delay in ordering or that would have been reflected in the eventual agreed order and scheduled delivery.
The delay compounds it certainly but our head start doesn’t shield us from having associated problems with our rollout either. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:56 - Jan 26 with 1818 views | Churchman |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 16:54 - Jan 26 by Darth_Koont |
So you won’t blame AZ if the UK rollout stalls because of manufacturing/supply issues that mean we get less than half the promised doses? Ditto for Pfizer?
I certainly wouldn’t blame the UK government in that situation.
The later authorisation is a separate but parallel issue. Legitimate questions can be asked of the EU authorities if this was due diligence or unnecessary delay. I tend to lean towards the idea that shortcuts/taking a bit of a gamble were warranted in the UK given the pressure to curb transmission. But if it comes back to bite us in the @rse or the delayed second dose idea is detrimental then I guess we can re-evaluate. |
‘I tend to lean towards the idea that shortcuts/taking a bit of a gamble were warranted in the UK given the pressure to curb transmission’
I guess the truth of this is something that will come out in the future. I hope it does for all our sakes. In the meantime, I’ve read or heard of no evidence whatsoever of the above other than throw away comments by politicians trying to defend against accusations, particularly America and the EU.
The work the U.K. regulators were doing predates the latest catastrophic wave. It was done differently to how it’s been carried out previously, as has the actual phases of testing carried out by pharmaceutical companies. I am hoping that’s not the same thing as shortcuts or taking a bit of a gamble, but more down to the expertise there undoubtably is in this country. | | | |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:18 - Jan 26 with 1779 views | giant_stow |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:51 - Jan 26 by Darth_Koont |
You’re comparing apples and pears. It’s not per se connected to the original delay in ordering or that would have been reflected in the eventual agreed order and scheduled delivery.
The delay compounds it certainly but our head start doesn’t shield us from having associated problems with our rollout either. |
The point is that but for EU delays in sign-off, these problems could have been happenning c.3 months ago. To then look to make others pay for that mistake by threatenning to ban exports of a completely seperate product doubles-down on the shoddyness and turns it into something more sinister. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:26 - Jan 26 with 1763 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:18 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
The point is that but for EU delays in sign-off, these problems could have been happenning c.3 months ago. To then look to make others pay for that mistake by threatenning to ban exports of a completely seperate product doubles-down on the shoddyness and turns it into something more sinister. |
Potato potato | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:43 - Jan 26 with 1752 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 17:25 - Jan 26 by MattinLondon |
Why is it a failed project? Currently there are several European countries in the process of negotiating to join - hardly the basis for a failed project. |
It's been found wanting from start to finish during the covid pandemic.
No clear unified strategy. The Mediterranean states abandoned with little to no financial help during lockdown from the central bank. EU countries commandeering PPE for it's own use from private companies that had already received order and payment from fellow EU governments. The EU ventilator scheme that didn't deliver a single ventilator in 2020. |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:45 - Jan 26 with 1748 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:43 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
It's been found wanting from start to finish during the covid pandemic.
No clear unified strategy. The Mediterranean states abandoned with little to no financial help during lockdown from the central bank. EU countries commandeering PPE for it's own use from private companies that had already received order and payment from fellow EU governments. The EU ventilator scheme that didn't deliver a single ventilator in 2020. |
And yet still fewer deaths per capita than the UK, which puts into context just how terribly we've handled it. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:50 - Jan 26 with 1732 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:45 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
And yet still fewer deaths per capita than the UK, which puts into context just how terribly we've handled it. |
But Johnson. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:52 - Jan 26 with 1732 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:50 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
But Johnson. |
Your response to 100k deaths is to be glib. What a guy. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:55 - Jan 26 with 1716 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:52 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
Your response to 100k deaths is to be glib. What a guy. |
Don't be a c@nt. I've lost family to Covid. My wife was very ill with covid in September.
We were discussing the failings of the EU and you introduced whatabouterry. There have been plenty of threads about the UK's poor response and record since March of last year. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:58 - Jan 26 with 1702 views | Herbivore |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:55 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Don't be a c@nt. I've lost family to Covid. My wife was very ill with covid in September.
We were discussing the failings of the EU and you introduced whatabouterry. There have been plenty of threads about the UK's poor response and record since March of last year. |
Same old Glassers, being abusive and showing the kind of hypocrisy so typical of the blue team. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:59 - Jan 26 with 1689 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:58 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
Same old Glassers, being abusive and showing the kind of hypocrisy so typical of the blue team. |
You were out of order. You're quite happy to call people a c@nt if you believe they are deserving of it. You were deserving of it with that post. Bang out of order. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 19:00 - Jan 26 with 1690 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:58 - Jan 26 by Herbivore |
Same old Glassers, being abusive and showing the kind of hypocrisy so typical of the blue team. |
There’s one rule for him. And another rule for him. | |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 19:10 - Jan 26 with 1670 views | SpruceMoose |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:50 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
But Johnson. |
Oof.
Careful of that mask GB!
That was a rough old post you just knocked out matey! |  |
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| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 19:16 - Jan 26 with 1660 views | Churchman |
| Bit of protectionism from the EU here then. on 18:18 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
The point is that but for EU delays in sign-off, these problems could have been happenning c.3 months ago. To then look to make others pay for that mistake by threatenning to ban exports of a completely seperate product doubles-down on the shoddyness and turns it into something more sinister. |
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-26/covid-vaccine-what-is-the-dispute-between-th
Interesting summary by ITV of what went wrong between EU and AstraZeneca. | | | |
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