| Vaccine roll out in Scotland 08:13 - Feb 3 with 1571 views | GlasgowBlue |
Seriously behind England. 1 million doses promised by the Scottish Heakth Minister by the end of January. Just 600000 delivered.
A third less vaccines carried out in England compared to Scotland.
I put my details into the English calculator which said I’d be vaccinated in the middle of March. Did the same thing with the Scottish calculator and it gave me a date of between May and July.
Time fir a nationwide vaccination campaign rather than leaving it to the devolved governments?
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:36 - Feb 3 with 1510 views | GeoffSentence |
Nah, sod that for a game of soldiers. Vaccinating the scotch more quickly means shoving the rest of us down the queue. Best to look after civilised people first then do the hairy arsed barbarians later. |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:40 - Feb 3 with 1500 views | Herbivore |
Given that the virus seems to spread more quickly in winter and that winter lasts for 9 months a year in Scotland, I really think they should be diverting efforts up here. |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:47 - Feb 3 with 1478 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:40 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
Given that the virus seems to spread more quickly in winter and that winter lasts for 9 months a year in Scotland, I really think they should be diverting efforts up here. |
It's not a supply issue though is it? It's the management by the devolved Scottish government and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want Westminster getting involved. I wonder if the fact the population is less dense makes any difference.
Is the perpetual Scottish winter getting you down already?
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:54 - Feb 3 with 1464 views | Herbivore |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:47 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
It's not a supply issue though is it? It's the management by the devolved Scottish government and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want Westminster getting involved. I wonder if the fact the population is less dense makes any difference.
Is the perpetual Scottish winter getting you down already?
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It's not actually all that bad so far. Most weekends have had at least one dry day to go for a nice long walk.
I think geography and demographics are an issue with rollout here. The area where I live has an old population but is incredibly rural, vast, and sparsely populated. So lots of people here need a vaccine but the population density here is 60 people per square mile. For context, Suffolk has 520 people per square mile. The largest urban centre here only contains 35k people and isn't especially central within the county. Transport links aren't great. Lots of logistical challenges in getting the vaccine out in areas like this. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:59 - Feb 3 with 1449 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:54 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
It's not actually all that bad so far. Most weekends have had at least one dry day to go for a nice long walk.
I think geography and demographics are an issue with rollout here. The area where I live has an old population but is incredibly rural, vast, and sparsely populated. So lots of people here need a vaccine but the population density here is 60 people per square mile. For context, Suffolk has 520 people per square mile. The largest urban centre here only contains 35k people and isn't especially central within the county. Transport links aren't great. Lots of logistical challenges in getting the vaccine out in areas like this. |
That's pretty much what I suspected with regards to geographical concerns.
Going to be even harder when the rollout starts in more remote countries without much infrastructure.
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:09 - Feb 3 with 1422 views | Herbivore |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:59 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
That's pretty much what I suspected with regards to geographical concerns.
Going to be even harder when the rollout starts in more remote countries without much infrastructure.
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Indeed, it'll be important to draw on the expertise of organisations like the Red Cross and Medicine Sans Frontieres when rolling out more globally. It's also going to need a concerted international effort to make it happen. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:46 - Feb 3 with 1375 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 08:59 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
That's pretty much what I suspected with regards to geographical concerns.
Going to be even harder when the rollout starts in more remote countries without much infrastructure.
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I dint believe that’s correct. Wales is way ahead and also has a large rural area. Vaccinating has been slow in Edinburgh and Glasgow.
I’m in a village less than ten minutes from Glasgow. I shouldn’t be having to wait between 10 and twelve weeks than my brother who is a similar age group and living in rural Suffolk. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:52 - Feb 3 with 1360 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:46 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I dint believe that’s correct. Wales is way ahead and also has a large rural area. Vaccinating has been slow in Edinburgh and Glasgow.
I’m in a village less than ten minutes from Glasgow. I shouldn’t be having to wait between 10 and twelve weeks than my brother who is a similar age group and living in rural Suffolk. |
Wales has nearly 3 times the population density of Scotland so it's conceivable they will slow down after the major towns and cities are vaccinated.
I do agree that it does seem slower but without more information it's hard to know the exact reasons.
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:55 - Feb 3 with 1348 views | Keno |
How will St Nicola the celt spin this to say its Englands fault and they'd do better id they were independent? |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:56 - Feb 3 with 1342 views | hype313 |
On another note, it's strange how Australia and New Zealand aren't planning on vaccinating the population until the tail end of the year, would have thought that given the near zero cases this would be an opportune time to get cracking and open up imminently.
This pre supposes they have placed orders. |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:58 - Feb 3 with 1338 views | Swansea_Blue |
I suppose that's been somewhat ameliorated until now by you managing to control the virus better than other UK nations (last time I looked the cases and death rate were had been lower in Scotland; I'm not sure if that's been the case through January).
The mass vaccine centres in Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow only opened on Monday didn't they? That should see things speed up significantly. |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:13 - Feb 3 with 1309 views | GeoffSentence |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:55 - Feb 3 by Keno |
How will St Nicola the celt spin this to say its Englands fault and they'd do better id they were independent? |
That's easily spun, they are shackled by beng in the Union. If they were an independent country they could be more nimble. Same argument that the government use for the better roll out of vaccinations in the UK v the EU. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:21 - Feb 3 with 1287 views | giant_stow |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 09:52 - Feb 3 by StokieBlue |
Wales has nearly 3 times the population density of Scotland so it's conceivable they will slow down after the major towns and cities are vaccinated.
I do agree that it does seem slower but without more information it's hard to know the exact reasons.
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Isn't the vast majority of Scotland in the Central Belt? if so, those bods ought to be no trouble logistically, surely? |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:49 - Feb 3 with 1258 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:21 - Feb 3 by giant_stow |
Isn't the vast majority of Scotland in the Central Belt? if so, those bods ought to be no trouble logistically, surely? |
I believe the population of the central belt is 4.2 million whilst the overall population of Scotland is 5.5 million.
I'm really pissed off about this. Desperate for things to return to normal and get back to work, and the vaccine I thought I was having in six weeks time is now being estimated at between May and July. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:54 - Feb 3 with 1240 views | giant_stow |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:49 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I believe the population of the central belt is 4.2 million whilst the overall population of Scotland is 5.5 million.
I'm really pissed off about this. Desperate for things to return to normal and get back to work, and the vaccine I thought I was having in six weeks time is now being estimated at between May and July. |
Feel for you mr, especially given your business being shutdown - must be maddenning. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:57 - Feb 3 with 1229 views | StokieBlue |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:49 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I believe the population of the central belt is 4.2 million whilst the overall population of Scotland is 5.5 million.
I'm really pissed off about this. Desperate for things to return to normal and get back to work, and the vaccine I thought I was having in six weeks time is now being estimated at between May and July. |
I do understand it must be very hard in your position given your businesses and thus very frustrating.
I don't think things were ever going to "return to normal" very quickly though even with the vaccine rollout.
Perhaps with the new mass vaccinations centres the pace will now pick up and you can get your businesses open to at least some extent.
SB [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 11:03]
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:57 - Feb 3 with 1229 views | chicoazul |
Who’s fault is it this time? |  |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 11:01 - Feb 3 with 1213 views | m14_blue |
Feel for you GB.
I’m really not sure, in the final analysis, the SNP will come out of this crisis any better than the Tories will.
Sturgeon is 1000x better at communicating but doesn’t seem to have been any more effective. |  | | |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 11:01 - Feb 3 with 1212 views | giant_stow |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:57 - Feb 3 by chicoazul |
Who’s fault is it this time? |
give her time to work that out - she's busy with Salmond at the mo innit. | |
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| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 11:04 - Feb 3 with 1198 views | gordon |
The issue is that getting the vaccine out to older, isolated rural communities makes it much more of a logistical challenge than in England. There's also a key trade-off between setting up one-off, large-scale vaccination centres, and embedding vaccine delivery in existing GP surgeries. While commandeering school gyms as vaccination centres or getting the army involved might look good and speed things up in the short term, realistically the deliver of updated COVID vaccines will need to be embedded in the national health services and offered by GPs routinely each winter (or at least over the next five years or so), and the headline grabbing moves aren't likely to be feasible at the start of each winter period.
Comparing headline figures generally isn't that useful, and governments trying to deliver on targets driven by those headline figures (like with Hancock and his testing targets) generally hasn't resulted in good policy. Of course it's frustrating, but realistically there isn't going to be a return to normal until the summer regardless of vaccine roll-out, and then probably the much more important challenge isgoing to be having the infrastructure in place to deliver an effective updated vaccine in September / October of this year to prepare for the winter. |  | | |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 11:08 - Feb 3 with 1189 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Vaccine roll out in Scotland on 10:49 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I believe the population of the central belt is 4.2 million whilst the overall population of Scotland is 5.5 million.
I'm really pissed off about this. Desperate for things to return to normal and get back to work, and the vaccine I thought I was having in six weeks time is now being estimated at between May and July. |
There are very obvious reasons why it is harder to reach many of Scotland's oldest residents. Many of them live in very remote areas*, so until the AZ/Oxford vaccine becomes available in larger quantities then it is almost impossible to reach them. Even people living in central belt areas like Hawick are far enough away from big hospitals with the cold storage requirements for Pfizer vaccines to deter many 80+ year olds from making the trip.
Then the difficulties grow for those in the Highlands, and are exponentially worse for those in the Islands.
Sturgeon is fronting up to it not being good enough, but it is disingenuous to try and suggest that the situation is like for like with England. Until the AZ/Oxford vaccine is more widely available, though, it will be difficult to make great strides with older, more dispersed and remote communities.
The calculator pages don't make allowances for the fact that you are able to make it to a major vaccination hub. You will be vaccinated before people of similar age in the Islands, because of your proximity to a major hospital and consequential availability of a broader range of vaccines.
* I've tried to find statistics by region for age groups of population. The best I can do is this, which although ten years old, shows a trend for the rural and remote populations to age and the city populations to become younger, and predicts that this trend will continue to now and beyond:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/demographic-change-scotland/pages/4/ | | | |
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