| Covid deaths 13:07 - Feb 16 with 2263 views | factual_blue |
Interesting snippet from a friend of ours.
Sadly her elderly (92) aunt died recently. As our friend expected, the cause of death given by the doctor was dementia and cancer.
When she went in person to the Registrar she was quizzed quite closely about whether Covid was also a cause. She, as I would have done, stuck with the point that the doctor has given the causes of death, and it's not for an untrained relative to second guess a medical professional.
So, is this common practice, or just an over-zealous council official? If so, a lot of people will undoubtedly let Covid be added to the causes of death. |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:12 - Feb 16 with 2061 views | StokieBlue |
Even if that were the case a better way to see the impact of C19 deaths is to look at the 5 year rolling average for excess deaths.
Also to compare excess deaths for 2020/2021 winter to those in other years of the last century.
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| Covid deaths on 13:13 - Feb 16 with 2043 views | homer_123 |
over-zealous council official?
Never! |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:13 - Feb 16 with 2045 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
When you say "quizzed quite closely" I assume you mean asked whether she had tested positive or shown symptoms. That was our experience and I do not think it is unreasonable.
Your friend was correct to answer the questions truthfully. |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:14 - Feb 16 with 2031 views | Herbivore |
Was the council officer's name Jackie Weaver? |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:15 - Feb 16 with 2034 views | factual_blue |
| Covid deaths on 13:13 - Feb 16 by homer_123 |
over-zealous council official?
Never! |
A couple of years ago another friend of ours was remarrying at the age of about 67. She was quizzed at length by the registrar about the genuineness of the marriage as her husband-to-be had a Polish surname. | |
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| Covid deaths on 13:17 - Feb 16 with 2020 views | factual_blue |
| Covid deaths on 13:13 - Feb 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
When you say "quizzed quite closely" I assume you mean asked whether she had tested positive or shown symptoms. That was our experience and I do not think it is unreasonable.
Your friend was correct to answer the questions truthfully. |
She says it was rather more zealous than that, and that she felt she was being pressurised. She's not in any way an anti-vaxxer.
I can fully understand a question of the sort you suggest though. | |
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| Covid deaths on 13:18 - Feb 16 with 2015 views | factual_blue |
| Covid deaths on 13:14 - Feb 16 by Herbivore |
Was the council officer's name Jackie Weaver? |
She wouldn't have had any authority at all. | |
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| Covid deaths on 13:23 - Feb 16 with 1996 views | Lord_Lucan |
I can tell you with absolute definite 100% info that in many many cases elderly dead people have Covid on their cause of death without even having been tested or examined by a quack. In care homes this has been extremely prevalent.
Even younger people who have tested positive for Covid but died of a heart attack or by being shot will be a Covid death |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:26 - Feb 16 with 1960 views | StokieBlue |
| Covid deaths on 13:23 - Feb 16 by Lord_Lucan |
I can tell you with absolute definite 100% info that in many many cases elderly dead people have Covid on their cause of death without even having been tested or examined by a quack. In care homes this has been extremely prevalent.
Even younger people who have tested positive for Covid but died of a heart attack or by being shot will be a Covid death |
Some will be miscategorised but in the end the excess deaths are a very good indication of the true number of C19 deaths.
Nobody in this thread is doing this but I have seen many people try to dismiss the death toll from C19 by stating are being miscategorised all over the place.
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| Covid deaths on 13:29 - Feb 16 with 1949 views | hype313 |
| Covid deaths on 13:26 - Feb 16 by StokieBlue |
Some will be miscategorised but in the end the excess deaths are a very good indication of the true number of C19 deaths.
Nobody in this thread is doing this but I have seen many people try to dismiss the death toll from C19 by stating are being miscategorised all over the place.
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Agreed Stokie, but it does beg the question why they are doing this? I know a similar case with my Aunt who had been suffering with Cancer for the past 3 years and eventually succumbed, only to have the doctors adamantly say it was Covid. |  |
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| Covid deaths on 13:53 - Feb 16 with 1895 views | usm |
| Covid deaths on 13:29 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
Agreed Stokie, but it does beg the question why they are doing this? I know a similar case with my Aunt who had been suffering with Cancer for the past 3 years and eventually succumbed, only to have the doctors adamantly say it was Covid. |
Someone we know had a stroke, survived, but died a few days later and whilst in hospital tested positive for Covid.
Covid could have been a factor in her stroke, I don't know, but she was well when she had no symptons.
Similar story with someone we know who was suffering with severe dementia.
There will always be a few of these stories, but excess deaths are a good way to judge things. |  |
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| Covid deaths on 14:09 - Feb 16 with 1848 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid deaths on 13:29 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
Agreed Stokie, but it does beg the question why they are doing this? I know a similar case with my Aunt who had been suffering with Cancer for the past 3 years and eventually succumbed, only to have the doctors adamantly say it was Covid. |
Problem is we have stats which conflate "died with" and "died from" |  | | |
| Due to the way that we have reported deaths..... on 14:15 - Feb 16 with 1848 views | Bloots |
....during the pandemic, we are never going to get to a point where "Covid deaths" are near zero.
The public have had the reporting style hammered into them for the last year with very few of them realising the difference between "with" and "of".
The media really haven't helped with at all.
It will be interesting to see how the media/government/NHS/PHE/civil service deal with it.
We will still see hundreds of people dying "with" Covid, the same way we will see people dying "with" feet. |  |
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| Covid deaths on 14:19 - Feb 16 with 1822 views | itfcpaul |
| Covid deaths on 13:23 - Feb 16 by Lord_Lucan |
I can tell you with absolute definite 100% info that in many many cases elderly dead people have Covid on their cause of death without even having been tested or examined by a quack. In care homes this has been extremely prevalent.
Even younger people who have tested positive for Covid but died of a heart attack or by being shot will be a Covid death |
and you know this 100% because?
Even if it was the case, what do people gain with it?
The Govt are currently playing down number by announcing how many new cases there have been but not stating how many tests there have been, On Monday when there were less that 10K cases, the number of tests compared to Friday was down by 225k, not really a fair comparison is it? |  |
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| Covid deaths on 14:27 - Feb 16 with 1792 views | longtimefan |
| Covid deaths on 14:19 - Feb 16 by itfcpaul |
and you know this 100% because?
Even if it was the case, what do people gain with it?
The Govt are currently playing down number by announcing how many new cases there have been but not stating how many tests there have been, On Monday when there were less that 10K cases, the number of tests compared to Friday was down by 225k, not really a fair comparison is it? |
How can you say the Government are not releasing test numbers, but then quote them? The figures for positive tests and the number of tests are released daily at: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing | | | |
| Covid deaths on 14:27 - Feb 16 with 1793 views | StokieBlue |
| Covid deaths on 13:29 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
Agreed Stokie, but it does beg the question why they are doing this? I know a similar case with my Aunt who had been suffering with Cancer for the past 3 years and eventually succumbed, only to have the doctors adamantly say it was Covid. |
I don't know why in that specific case.
There needs to be some form of categorisation and the agreed one was if C19 was had within 28 days (it's quite a bit more complicated than that and some experts thinks even that undercounts C19). I assume the reasoning is that in the majority of cases C19 is likely to be the thing that unfortunately pushes people over the edge and thus their body can no longer fight the underlying condition.
Unfortunately no categorisation is going to be perfect but using a rolling average of excess deaths smooths out the miscategorisations.
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| Covid deaths on 14:28 - Feb 16 with 1794 views | Churchman |
No I don’t think it is. Two very elderly people at er indoors’ church died at home last year (different times and places). There had been no symptoms with either and there was no post mortem. Both were put down to Covid. Another elderly chap had a massive brain bleed (stroke) and died 2 days later in hospital. While having no symptoms of C19 the virus was detected in his blood and in the stats it went. Covid might of course been a factor, but it certainly wasn’t the cause of his demise.
I know from dealing with the Registrar in Woodbridge that getting a DC without a clear cause can result in the Coroner getting involved and all sorts of problems. This happened before C19 and there was so many things wrong with my mum, the Doctor just put down old age on the certificate. After all sorts of messing about the doctor amended the certificate with a couple of things. Had Coronavirus been around then I’ve no doubt whatsoever that would have gone on the Death certificate, would have saved aggro and not been queried.
As I said in another thread, I believe that the only value in the stats is measuring trends over time. Using them as comparisons with others is I think dangerous. |  | | |
| Covid deaths on 14:30 - Feb 16 with 1785 views | itfcpaul |
I said they are releasing numbers of positive cases but then not saying how many actual tests they are carrying out, all up front about low numbers found but not the fact that they did 230k less tests to find them
I know where the figures are, you check out what I am saying | |
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| Covid deaths on 14:31 - Feb 16 with 1774 views | itfcpaul |
| Covid deaths on 14:30 - Feb 16 by itfcpaul |
I said they are releasing numbers of positive cases but then not saying how many actual tests they are carrying out, all up front about low numbers found but not the fact that they did 230k less tests to find them
I know where the figures are, you check out what I am saying |
When have you last seen the number of tests carried out on news alongside the positive tests??? | |
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| Covid deaths on 14:34 - Feb 16 with 1766 views | longtimefan |
| Covid deaths on 14:30 - Feb 16 by itfcpaul |
I said they are releasing numbers of positive cases but then not saying how many actual tests they are carrying out, all up front about low numbers found but not the fact that they did 230k less tests to find them
I know where the figures are, you check out what I am saying |
So how can you say their not saying how many tests are done? It’s right there in the official statistics page. Or are you meaning the media are not reporting them, which is a completely different thing. | | | |
| Covid deaths on 14:40 - Feb 16 with 1746 views | itfcpaul |
| Covid deaths on 14:34 - Feb 16 by longtimefan |
So how can you say their not saying how many tests are done? It’s right there in the official statistics page. Or are you meaning the media are not reporting them, which is a completely different thing. |
i think that is what I said isn't it
but the Gov don't put a caveat on it though do they, | |
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| One thing you can't really moan about is.... on 14:47 - Feb 16 with 1737 views | Bloots |
| Covid deaths on 14:40 - Feb 16 by itfcpaul |
i think that is what I said isn't it
but the Gov don't put a caveat on it though do they, |
...the number of tests.
We've done about 15 million more tests than we have people in the country!
When we were testing 750,000 per day people weren't saying "that's why the positives are high".
You appear to be looking for a bad news story. | |
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| Covid deaths on 14:50 - Feb 16 with 1714 views | Churchman |
| Covid deaths on 14:34 - Feb 16 by longtimefan |
So how can you say their not saying how many tests are done? It’s right there in the official statistics page. Or are you meaning the media are not reporting them, which is a completely different thing. |
The media no longer reports testing because the capacity and actual testing is considerable.
I suspect trying to match tests to positive cases on a particular day is pretty pointless. Better to look over a period (a week, two week?) and see which way things are going from a positive test perspective. | | | |
| Covid deaths on 14:52 - Feb 16 with 1711 views | jaykay |
just a honest question, no conspiracy theories from me, but if someone was on record suffering from covid , with mild symptoms and were killed in say a car crash. would covid be recorded on their death certificate |  |
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| Covid deaths on 14:58 - Feb 16 with 1688 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Covid deaths on 14:52 - Feb 16 by jaykay |
just a honest question, no conspiracy theories from me, but if someone was on record suffering from covid , with mild symptoms and were killed in say a car crash. would covid be recorded on their death certificate |
Yes. It would go on the death certificate.
It probably conflates the figures somewhat but not massively.
If you stuck with those who died specifically from Covid the figures would be zero. It causes other symptoms that lead to death. It is like the "died from old age". We no longer put that on death certificates but rather put the physical reason that caused the end of life. | |
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