| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... 15:09 - Mar 20 with 5505 views | pointofblue |
Now we’re dropping back it’s all the players fault? No blame for Cook for being so rigid on his thinking he can’t try a tactic which might work for us with the players who we have available? |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:49 - Mar 20 with 2217 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:31 - Mar 20 by tractorboy1978 |
In 7 seasons Cook has:
Won L2 with Chesterfield, followed by finishing 6th in L1 the following season
Play-offs with Portsmouth followed by winning the L2 title
Won the L1 title with Wigan
Kept Wigan up in the Championship
Had Wigan comfortably mid table with automatic promotion form in the games post COVID
All of this playing a 4-2-3-1. It's a formula that has been hugely successful for him and he needs to know which of these can play/do as he wants. But no, let's build around a group of players that have been largely poor regardless of formation for nearly 3 seasons now. |
But Y DuZeNT E Pl4y A DIFruNt foREMatiON?! |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:52 - Mar 20 with 2210 views | pstudd |
Are these the same two who dismantled a good start....TWO years in a row. Yeah, would just love PL back. His ability to inspire all around him are a big miss. Priceless! |  | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:55 - Mar 20 with 2195 views | chrismakin |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:47 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
Lambert not being sacked at least prior to the January transfer window baffles me even now. At the very least he should have gone after Portsmouth at home where it became obvious we couldn’t beat our promotion rivals.
Does it say how bad this division is that we’re so apparently poor in all positions yet still in touching place of the play offs? And yet we don’t have the ability to take advantage of this? |
the league is sht, that's how bad our situation is, it's inline with many others in the league
look at pompy just lost 4 on the bounce, play us, boom there's your win.
so many clubs break their bad runs against us,
the fact we've lost 13 games, have a gd of 2 and yet 3 points off top 6, shows how rubbish this league is, it unfortunately shows, how awful we actually are too, just not as bad as some.
don't forget most of our wins, came at the very beginning of the season, |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:55 - Mar 20 with 2195 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:52 - Mar 20 by pstudd |
Are these the same two who dismantled a good start....TWO years in a row. Yeah, would just love PL back. His ability to inspire all around him are a big miss. Priceless! |
Makes me laugh how some people think we will suddenly be class switching to two up front because we had a decent run of games 18 months ago with it. Totally ignoring the fact we had a similar run playing 4-2-3-1 at the start of this campaign. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:59 - Mar 20 with 2179 views | haynes_toe1 |
Surely no one is calling for Cook to leave? All i've seen is a few like me making valid criticisms which Cook will likely be given PLENTY of time to prove me wrong on - all our managers are typically afforded alot (too much) time.
So really if i'm criticising now and you guys who have already deemed him fantastic are confident in your own thoughts, you should be delighted as you'll have ample opportunity to throw it back in my face at the end of the season or whenever you decide he's doing well enough. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 16:06 - Mar 20 with 2165 views | chrismakin |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:59 - Mar 20 by haynes_toe1 |
Surely no one is calling for Cook to leave? All i've seen is a few like me making valid criticisms which Cook will likely be given PLENTY of time to prove me wrong on - all our managers are typically afforded alot (too much) time.
So really if i'm criticising now and you guys who have already deemed him fantastic are confident in your own thoughts, you should be delighted as you'll have ample opportunity to throw it back in my face at the end of the season or whenever you decide he's doing well enough. |
Gladly, when we lift the league 1 title next season | |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 16:29 - Mar 20 with 2150 views | LeoMuff |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:31 - Mar 20 by tractorboy1978 |
In 7 seasons Cook has:
Won L2 with Chesterfield, followed by finishing 6th in L1 the following season
Play-offs with Portsmouth followed by winning the L2 title
Won the L1 title with Wigan
Kept Wigan up in the Championship
Had Wigan comfortably mid table with automatic promotion form in the games post COVID
All of this playing a 4-2-3-1. It's a formula that has been hugely successful for him and he needs to know which of these can play/do as he wants. But no, let's build around a group of players that have been largely poor regardless of formation for nearly 3 seasons now. |
Exactly , he clearly thinks that formation can get us out of this league and competing in the champ.
No point bumbling through with 442, and learning nothing about who can play 4231 next season.
We need big changes in the summer and the job may not be quite so huge if some of our current players can fit a new system. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 16:37 - Mar 20 with 2138 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 16:29 - Mar 20 by LeoMuff |
Exactly , he clearly thinks that formation can get us out of this league and competing in the champ.
No point bumbling through with 442, and learning nothing about who can play 4231 next season.
We need big changes in the summer and the job may not be quite so huge if some of our current players can fit a new system. |
I wouldn't be building a system around these no-hopers. I'd play my own system that's been successful, see who can and can't play it, and then make the necessary changes in personnel in the summer.
We need to stop shoehorning in these players who have been failures for years. It's like trying to build a jigsaw with the wrong pieces. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 16:41 - Mar 20 with 2135 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
Utter rubbish. It's not Cook that is the problem, it's the players! wake up and face the fact that our players aren't good enough or fit enough to wear the Ipswich shirt! It's time for a massive clear-out in the summer! [Post edited 20 Mar 2021 16:44]
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 17:06 - Mar 20 with 2110 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:15 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
We do not score enough, ergo we need two up front. With Matheson and Kenlock we might be able to get a wing back system to work with three at the back. I understand the calls for 4-4-2 but we’re lightweight enough as it is without reducing our numbers in the middle. Our wide attacking players generally don’t provide enough so wouldn’t be missed.
4-3-3/4-2-3-1 is hardly working. |
Because we were so effective playing 3-5-2 last season.....
Lambert spent two and a half years here picking the team and formation out of a hat and look where that got us. No partnerships, no system the players look comfortable in, nothing to build on quickly. Now after a handful of games and about 5 days of actually leading training you want Cook to abandon his principles and try a different system? We need some consistency, we need to try to mould this group of players into something vaguely resembling a team. We don't need to lose our arses and start rolling the dice after a few poor early performances. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 17:17 - Mar 20 with 2095 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:16 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
No, I don’t want Cook out, I just don’t think he should be absolved of all blame. |
Thing is he has been here a matter of weeks.
The mob who pull on the shirt each game have mostly been about a lot longer.
Playing football since they were children and they can't play a particular formation? Not buying it.
Losing mentality and lacking in a determination to fight for the cause? Yep, gets my vote. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 10:09 - Mar 21 with 2035 views | pointofblue |
I think what’s really grating is all “if Cook gets us into the top six it will be a miracle” and phrases along that line. I’m sorry, is taking a side which had picked up seven points out of nine at point of takeover, laying one point off the play offs and the easiest run in of the lot a miracle now? Really?
No, I’m not saying sack him and yes, he must have the summer but we wouldn’t have accepted this outcome under Lambert for a moment - rightfully so. That’s why he needed to go. | |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 10:41 - Mar 21 with 2024 views | patrickswell |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 10:09 - Mar 21 by pointofblue |
I think what’s really grating is all “if Cook gets us into the top six it will be a miracle” and phrases along that line. I’m sorry, is taking a side which had picked up seven points out of nine at point of takeover, laying one point off the play offs and the easiest run in of the lot a miracle now? Really?
No, I’m not saying sack him and yes, he must have the summer but we wouldn’t have accepted this outcome under Lambert for a moment - rightfully so. That’s why he needed to go. |
It can be considered a miracle when we consider that the response of the players to breaking back into the Top 6 was to sht themselves and serve up back to back losses.
Bishop in the paper talking about Cook trying some different things and “we have to buy into it” Like the players hold the whip hand in this given that most of them are out of contract and that the fan base, by and large, sees them beyond redemption. |  | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 10:56 - Mar 21 with 2008 views | Radlett_blue |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 17:06 - Mar 20 by Herbivore |
Because we were so effective playing 3-5-2 last season.....
Lambert spent two and a half years here picking the team and formation out of a hat and look where that got us. No partnerships, no system the players look comfortable in, nothing to build on quickly. Now after a handful of games and about 5 days of actually leading training you want Cook to abandon his principles and try a different system? We need some consistency, we need to try to mould this group of players into something vaguely resembling a team. We don't need to lose our arses and start rolling the dice after a few poor early performances. |
Cook was recruited to do the job his way & if he suddenly started flipping between 4-4-2, 3-5-2 etc he'd be doing what Lambert tried & failed to do. Yes, we might have picked up more points in the last 5 games with Gill in charge, but equally, given Town's huge inconsistency, we could equally well have done just as badly. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:24 - Mar 21 with 1995 views | ITFCBlues |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 15:27 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
But my fear is this is EXACTLY what happened with Lambert. He deserves time, he needs a transfer window, he needs an opportunity to train, things will change. There’s a balance between, yes, giving managers that opportunity but also not giving them a free ride when we’re not hitting the heights we should be.
Are you really saying we have a worse squad than Gillingham? When Lambert left we were above them. |
This season is a free hit for me. We've shown that we're completely gutless and there is change needed both on and off the pitch. A mass clearout is needed. He needs time to get his point across on the training ground. We may have individuals who on paper are better than say Gillingham, but as weve already found out, that alone isn't enough. We need to be drilled as a team.
This isn't a quick fix. We've been rubbish for 2 to 3 years. This isn't as simple as saying we don't score goals so stick 2 up top.
We need to develop a system. If we're still rubbish after 10 games next season then we can have reservations. |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:29 - Mar 21 with 1991 views | Radlett_blue |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:24 - Mar 21 by ITFCBlues |
This season is a free hit for me. We've shown that we're completely gutless and there is change needed both on and off the pitch. A mass clearout is needed. He needs time to get his point across on the training ground. We may have individuals who on paper are better than say Gillingham, but as weve already found out, that alone isn't enough. We need to be drilled as a team.
This isn't a quick fix. We've been rubbish for 2 to 3 years. This isn't as simple as saying we don't score goals so stick 2 up top.
We need to develop a system. If we're still rubbish after 10 games next season then we can have reservations. |
And we have a huge, if unbalanced squad. I think it was something of a fluke that we won 3 in a row around the time Lambert left, rather than that Gill had suddenly discovered a winning formula. | |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:34 - Mar 21 with 1991 views | BlueForYou |
What's the point of trying to get the current crop of hopeless disillusioned negative players to play Cooks only known formation when the majority of them will get binned in the summer anyway? Might as well play 442 & try to get results & a playoff place until then. Start afresh in the summer with a new squad & players hand picked who can & are willing to play & adapt to Cooks system. Move on from there in whichever league we find ourselves in, Div3 almost certainly! |  | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 12:14 - Mar 21 with 1978 views | pointofblue |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:24 - Mar 21 by ITFCBlues |
This season is a free hit for me. We've shown that we're completely gutless and there is change needed both on and off the pitch. A mass clearout is needed. He needs time to get his point across on the training ground. We may have individuals who on paper are better than say Gillingham, but as weve already found out, that alone isn't enough. We need to be drilled as a team.
This isn't a quick fix. We've been rubbish for 2 to 3 years. This isn't as simple as saying we don't score goals so stick 2 up top.
We need to develop a system. If we're still rubbish after 10 games next season then we can have reservations. |
Oh good, another free hit. We all saw how well that worked out for Lambert.
The reason why the club is floundering is because too many are happy to make excuses of why it’s floundering. | |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 14:25 - Mar 21 with 1957 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 12:14 - Mar 21 by pointofblue |
Oh good, another free hit. We all saw how well that worked out for Lambert.
The reason why the club is floundering is because too many are happy to make excuses of why it’s floundering. |
I agree, its a little frustrating.
Especially the double standards on here. There's people on this thread who know full well there's plenty of earlier posts as recent as 4 or 5 weeks ago saying that pretty much "any manager could get this squad promoted"
Now that we have another manager the same posters are saying this season is a free hit and we can't expect anything with these players.
Its not the end of the world because I do think over time Cook could do a good job here but fans don't really have the right to complain about Evans' ambition when their own is so limited. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 14:40 - Mar 21 with 1949 views | patrickswell |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 14:25 - Mar 21 by haynes_toe1 |
I agree, its a little frustrating.
Especially the double standards on here. There's people on this thread who know full well there's plenty of earlier posts as recent as 4 or 5 weeks ago saying that pretty much "any manager could get this squad promoted"
Now that we have another manager the same posters are saying this season is a free hit and we can't expect anything with these players.
Its not the end of the world because I do think over time Cook could do a good job here but fans don't really have the right to complain about Evans' ambition when their own is so limited. |
I think that the scales have fallen from some fans’ eyes about the merits of the squad given the performances that we’ve seen since Cook arrived. A new manager with a big reputation, and the consensus has been that the players have failed to impress. That ties into lack of self-motivation at this early stage and combined with 3 seasons of underachievement, the players have nowhere to hide now. These 5 games have exposed them for all to see. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 07:43 - Mar 22 with 1897 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 14:25 - Mar 21 by haynes_toe1 |
I agree, its a little frustrating.
Especially the double standards on here. There's people on this thread who know full well there's plenty of earlier posts as recent as 4 or 5 weeks ago saying that pretty much "any manager could get this squad promoted"
Now that we have another manager the same posters are saying this season is a free hit and we can't expect anything with these players.
Its not the end of the world because I do think over time Cook could do a good job here but fans don't really have the right to complain about Evans' ambition when their own is so limited. |
You and POB are clueless about football. This is real life, not a computer game. Cook hasn't even had meaningful time on the training ground with these players yet FFS. | |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 07:56 - Mar 22 with 1888 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 11:34 - Mar 21 by BlueForYou |
What's the point of trying to get the current crop of hopeless disillusioned negative players to play Cooks only known formation when the majority of them will get binned in the summer anyway? Might as well play 442 & try to get results & a playoff place until then. Start afresh in the summer with a new squad & players hand picked who can & are willing to play & adapt to Cooks system. Move on from there in whichever league we find ourselves in, Div3 almost certainly! |
How does he know who can play the way he wants if he doesn't play that formation between now and the end of the season? This week will be a big one on the training pitch, he has a few days to get his ideas across and we need to see a reaction/improvement starting at Wigan. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 08:23 - Mar 22 with 1878 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 07:43 - Mar 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You and POB are clueless about football. This is real life, not a computer game. Cook hasn't even had meaningful time on the training ground with these players yet FFS. |
Shocker. You're missing the point. Like I said before, I admire how consistent you are, even if it is consistently being wrong. | | | |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 08:49 - Mar 22 with 1867 views | itfcjoe |
I think if aim was to get up this season then Cowley would have been a better shout - will get them organised quicker, will work with what they have and be adaptable.
That's not Cook, which you'd assume Evans would be aware of. The salary cap going is a massive change, and means promotion this season isn't as important as it was.
But, with this week on the training ground, and next week in reality too, we need to start beating some of these bottom teams and getting up to 75/76 points for the season - I don't like talk of a 'free hit' |  |
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| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 08:51 - Mar 22 with 1862 views | pointofblue |
| Lambert and Gill got Town to within one point of the top six... on 07:43 - Mar 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You and POB are clueless about football. This is real life, not a computer game. Cook hasn't even had meaningful time on the training ground with these players yet FFS. |
I wrote the OP in a fit of emotion after the game and wish I’d phrased it in the way itfcjoe has just now, as I agree with what he says. | |
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