| We MUST sell Andre in the summer 00:20 - Apr 6 with 7273 views | Lowie |
Hear me out...
I don't doubt there is a player there, potentially a really good player at that. He is one of our own.
However - he has been the constant in midfield this year and he offers virtually nothing. He has a nice touch and makes the odd tidy pass, but he doesn't create, doesn't tackle and often goes missing. In short, he is a luxury item and one we can't afford if we have any hope of getting out of this league next year.
Cook will have to rip apart this squad, of that there is no doubt. What we don't know is the extent to which he'll be backed in the transfer market. We won't mount a convincing promotion push with freebies alone. We should use any fee from Andre to buy the attacking players that we'll need to get us up.
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 13:19 - Apr 6 with 969 views | LeoMuff |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:46 - Apr 6 by chicoazul |
We are a mid table division three team. None of our players are worth anything. |
Downes is only tarnished with 16 apps this season and I would think we might get 750-1m, maybe more , but personally I would build the team around him, if he will stay. |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 13:30 - Apr 6 with 966 views | Deano69 |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 07:20 - Apr 6 by saffers12 |
Thought Rathbone showed AD everything he could be but 100% what he is not |
TBF, even Ed Upson did for Bristol. Should easily be good enough at this level regardless of his time on the ball etc. That said, playing a ball to another player of 'quality' around him is another story. |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:09 - Apr 6 with 940 views | J2BLUE |
I think two of Downes, Dozzell and Bishop will go this summer. |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:13 - Apr 6 with 936 views | NthQldITFC |
But if you add in another couple of decent, mentally and physically tough, energetic midfielders around him, then he comes into his own. Downes, Bishop, Dozzell, Wark and Talbot would be give you an ideal 2 and 3! |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:28 - Apr 6 with 926 views | MrTown |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:09 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
I think two of Downes, Dozzell and Bishop will go this summer. |
Bishop yes, Dozzell I wish but no one will pay for him. Downes possibly but at the fraction of what we probably want for him. |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:36 - Apr 6 with 915 views | MrTown |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 11:28 - Apr 6 by Herbivore |
He shows for the ball and he's a good passer of the ball. The defensive side of his game has improved and he makes a lot of interceptions (the stats back this up). He's gone off the boil a bit but that's understandable given he's played virtually every game and this is his first season as a regular starter. He could do with a bit of a rest but our other midfielders either aren't fit or aren't good enough. |
He drops in certainly to ask for the ball, no doubt about that, but I struggle think when he actually made a decisive pass. He does a lot of 5-10 yard passes, but nothing that strikes me as decisive. I think he might have 1 assist all season, and I don't think he has scored a goal.
He can't defend, that's pretty evident, he just mauls players down when they skip past him, he can't run, I don't think he can sprint, or I just haven't seen it yet.
He certainly needs to be dropped, but we are so limited in there we will have to persist with Bishop and Dozzell I'd imagine. The fact that Ollie Rathbone at Rochdale ran a midfield against the pair of them shows where they are at. | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:40 - Apr 6 with 909 views | Herbivore |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:36 - Apr 6 by MrTown |
He drops in certainly to ask for the ball, no doubt about that, but I struggle think when he actually made a decisive pass. He does a lot of 5-10 yard passes, but nothing that strikes me as decisive. I think he might have 1 assist all season, and I don't think he has scored a goal.
He can't defend, that's pretty evident, he just mauls players down when they skip past him, he can't run, I don't think he can sprint, or I just haven't seen it yet.
He certainly needs to be dropped, but we are so limited in there we will have to persist with Bishop and Dozzell I'd imagine. The fact that Ollie Rathbone at Rochdale ran a midfield against the pair of them shows where they are at. |
Yeah but it's well established that you know nothing about football, fella. |  |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:42 - Apr 6 with 903 views | MrTown |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:40 - Apr 6 by Herbivore |
Yeah but it's well established that you know nothing about football, fella. |
Established by who? [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 14:42]
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:59 - Apr 6 with 881 views | Herbivore |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:42 - Apr 6 by MrTown |
Established by who? [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 14:42]
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Anyone who has read your posts, mate. | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 15:19 - Apr 6 with 858 views | MrTown |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 14:59 - Apr 6 by Herbivore |
Anyone who has read your posts, mate. |
Oh thank god, I thought you were going to say someone important then. Couple of anonymous fellas ain't going to concern me, me old son. | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 19:27 - Apr 6 with 795 views | Bramidan |
Let him go, he's only as good as the players around him, we offer him no protection to grow as a footballing team.
I feel sorry for him playing in a bunch of no skill boring journeymen. | | | |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 19:38 - Apr 6 with 787 views | reusersfreekicks |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 07:30 - Apr 6 by StokieBlue |
This is madness.
Can't have a thread saying he's rubbish then expect to get 2.5m for him in L2.
This board is now bonkers a lot of a time.
SB [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 7:31]
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Rubbish isn't it. He is playing in a deep midfield position but gets attacked for too few goals/assists. People should get off his case |  | | |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 19:43 - Apr 6 with 783 views | reusersfreekicks |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:37 - Apr 6 by SomethingBlue |
He's held it all together without a regular, reliable partner and without the sort of stabilising, more physical presence who'd give him a platform to play. Has had to develop a lot of the messier aspects of his game as a result. I think he's done well and that in a well-balanced team we would see much more from him. One of the very few who needs to stay. |
This times 1000. People are so very shortsighted and reactive | | | |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 23:53 - Apr 6 with 737 views | Lowie |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 19:38 - Apr 6 by reusersfreekicks |
Rubbish isn't it. He is playing in a deep midfield position but gets attacked for too few goals/assists. People should get off his case |
He also can't defend or tackle and goes missing far too often...I don't know what he brings.
I would bite anyones arm off if we got offered £1.5 million + for him. | | | |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 08:12 - Apr 7 with 701 views | Herbivore |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 23:53 - Apr 6 by Lowie |
He also can't defend or tackle and goes missing far too often...I don't know what he brings.
I would bite anyones arm off if we got offered £1.5 million + for him. |
Given that you see him as being a poor League 1 midfielder who brings nothing to the side, what on earth makes you think someone will offer £1.5m+ for him? | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 08:18 - Apr 7 with 693 views | StokieBlue |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 08:12 - Apr 7 by Herbivore |
Given that you see him as being a poor League 1 midfielder who brings nothing to the side, what on earth makes you think someone will offer £1.5m+ for him? |
I find it amazing that some people can manager to make posts that are only 2 lines long internally inconsistent.
That's quite an achievement.
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:38 - Apr 7 with 653 views | Lowie |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 08:18 - Apr 7 by StokieBlue |
I find it amazing that some people can manager to make posts that are only 2 lines long internally inconsistent.
That's quite an achievement.
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It is really simple - he doesn't fit into our system (i.e. the one Cook wants to use) He doesn't do enough, doesn't create, doesn't tackle, defend, is lightweight and goes missing far too often. I'm not saying he is without quality (indeed, he clearly has an awful lot of potential) so if an offer comes in, we should take it. At the moment, he is a passenger in our starting XI. He has a nice touch and makes a nice pass or two, but that really is it.
My stance isn't in the least bit inconsistent. Some people obviously rate him highly (if rumours of clubs that were linked with him previously are to be believed) Cook needs players that can play how he wants us to set up. A good example of this is Jackson - I don't think for one minute that he's worth anything near the offer we got for him from Hull but the key thing is, THEY DID!
Therefore if an offer comes in for Andre that is sensible we should take it, provided Cook is then allowed to go out and sign the types of players he needs. [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 9:41]
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:44 - Apr 7 with 644 views | Herbivore |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:38 - Apr 7 by Lowie |
It is really simple - he doesn't fit into our system (i.e. the one Cook wants to use) He doesn't do enough, doesn't create, doesn't tackle, defend, is lightweight and goes missing far too often. I'm not saying he is without quality (indeed, he clearly has an awful lot of potential) so if an offer comes in, we should take it. At the moment, he is a passenger in our starting XI. He has a nice touch and makes a nice pass or two, but that really is it.
My stance isn't in the least bit inconsistent. Some people obviously rate him highly (if rumours of clubs that were linked with him previously are to be believed) Cook needs players that can play how he wants us to set up. A good example of this is Jackson - I don't think for one minute that he's worth anything near the offer we got for him from Hull but the key thing is, THEY DID!
Therefore if an offer comes in for Andre that is sensible we should take it, provided Cook is then allowed to go out and sign the types of players he needs. [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 9:41]
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So you think a midfielder playing in League 1 who can't create or defend and just doesn't offer enough is going to attract bids north of £1.5m? Despite your lengthy attempted explanation that still makes no sense. Either you're misjudging Dozzell or your view of what a realistic fee is for him is miles out. | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:48 - Apr 7 with 638 views | Lowie |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:44 - Apr 7 by Herbivore |
So you think a midfielder playing in League 1 who can't create or defend and just doesn't offer enough is going to attract bids north of £1.5m? Despite your lengthy attempted explanation that still makes no sense. Either you're misjudging Dozzell or your view of what a realistic fee is for him is miles out. |
How do you explain the Jackson offer then?
Most people on here would agree he he isn't worth what we were offered for him (we'd have made a profit on him, which is incredible given how overpriced he was in the first place...) however another team saw something in him. We should have definitely sold and got a player in that would fit the system. We should do the same with Andre.
I just don't think Andre offers us enough in the way we're going to be set up. He might fit in better in another team that will play in a different way. Same with Jackson, playing in a front two in a 4-4-2 team would be a better fit. [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 9:53]
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 10:32 - Apr 7 with 615 views | Herbivore |
| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 09:48 - Apr 7 by Lowie |
How do you explain the Jackson offer then?
Most people on here would agree he he isn't worth what we were offered for him (we'd have made a profit on him, which is incredible given how overpriced he was in the first place...) however another team saw something in him. We should have definitely sold and got a player in that would fit the system. We should do the same with Andre.
I just don't think Andre offers us enough in the way we're going to be set up. He might fit in better in another team that will play in a different way. Same with Jackson, playing in a front two in a 4-4-2 team would be a better fit. [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 9:53]
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When could we have made a profit on Jackson? I don't think the offer for him from Bournemouth was more than £1.5m. And he'd just come off a season where he'd scored 11 goals and bagged 7 or so assists, which is a decent return. That's why we turned the offer down I imagine, we thought he was worth more to us than was being offered. Hindsight is a wonderful thing as he, like 90% of the squad, has been poor this season.
And as for Dozzell, in what system do you think a midfielder who you say doesn't offer enough, doesn't create, and can't defend will actually be useful and worth over £1.5m? The attributes you say he doesn't have are pretty crucial for a CM playing in any system. | |
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| We MUST sell Andre in the summer on 10:44 - Apr 7 with 604 views | Olly |
Really struggling to understand the logic that he's not good enough for a mid table League 1 side, yet people think we can get £2m for him!
He's now 22, the top clubs who were interested when he was a young pup at 16/17 won't be anymore because they can't stash him in the U23s and hope he makes it as something...the clubs who might be interested will be ones where he'd likely be a squad player in the Championship, and they barely have a pot to piss in after Covid unless they make a big sale themselves.
Personally I think he is underrated by our fans, and would be one I look to hold onto for next season. With Cook preferring a 4-2-3-1 where the wingers cut in, and full backs push forward, he should have more options and movement ahead of him (if Cook is as advertised), where we will see the best of his passing. Hopefully Downes can be the muscle alongside him, or a new CDM type player. | | | |
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