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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem 16:56 - Apr 17 with 3486 viewswhymark4lazio0

Cook has mentioned it. Gary Roberts has mentioned it. It's probably why we can only play well for half a match (apparently we were excellent for the first 20 minutes today). It's probably why we have had so many injuries. What I find difficult to understand is how everybody at the club (owner, directors, manager, coaches AND players) allowed lack of fitness to become a problem. Surely the ability to run hard for a whole match 2 or 3 times per week should be a fundamental, an absolute basic.

It does explain a lot, if a player feels he cannot last a whole match it will impact his confidence and lead him to hide and to take 'breathers'. A team of players that are at peak fitness and have a little talent will always be confident of giving any team a match.

Now that Cook and Roberts have identified fitness as an issue, I'm not sure what can be done this season but it does mean the whole squad should be on notice to keep themselves fit over the summer break and to expect the most demanding pre-season training they've ever experienced.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:06 - Apr 17 with 2879 viewsgtsb1966

At 2am on a Sunday morning I would stagger out of the local nightclub ( yes you youngsters, clubs really did close then) and go and get the worst boiled burger you could have. Home and in bed by 3am ( unless I got lucky).... so home and in bed by 3am and up at 8.30am to play Sunday football. Smoked 20 fags that night and a couple before the game and at half time yet still played ok nearly every week. Of course it was a different standard but we're talking about different standards of footballers here too. The fitness thing at our club is a shocking revelation of how poorly this club has been run.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:10 - Apr 17 with 2833 viewsjeera

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:06 - Apr 17 by gtsb1966

At 2am on a Sunday morning I would stagger out of the local nightclub ( yes you youngsters, clubs really did close then) and go and get the worst boiled burger you could have. Home and in bed by 3am ( unless I got lucky).... so home and in bed by 3am and up at 8.30am to play Sunday football. Smoked 20 fags that night and a couple before the game and at half time yet still played ok nearly every week. Of course it was a different standard but we're talking about different standards of footballers here too. The fitness thing at our club is a shocking revelation of how poorly this club has been run.
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What you seem to be suggesting is boiled burgers, late nights and a morning build up to the game chain smoking cigarettes.

They could give a go I suppose.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:10 - Apr 17 with 2829 viewsvictorywilhappen

Mental fitness. They are not fit to fight. Remember when the para man took them out...blisters and tears. It's been a culture at the club for a long time maybe.

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I think the last year has hit everyone. But for people who love public attention ( entertainers) it has been "different" to say the least.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:11 - Apr 17 with 2809 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:06 - Apr 17 by gtsb1966

At 2am on a Sunday morning I would stagger out of the local nightclub ( yes you youngsters, clubs really did close then) and go and get the worst boiled burger you could have. Home and in bed by 3am ( unless I got lucky).... so home and in bed by 3am and up at 8.30am to play Sunday football. Smoked 20 fags that night and a couple before the game and at half time yet still played ok nearly every week. Of course it was a different standard but we're talking about different standards of footballers here too. The fitness thing at our club is a shocking revelation of how poorly this club has been run.
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That's James Norwoods routine.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:23 - Apr 17 with 2746 viewsChurchman

I’m always a bit suspicious when a new manager come in and moans about player fitness. A lot of new managers do it. However, that the team has had an inability to play more than about 45 decent minutes on a good day suggests there may be a fitness problem. Either that or it’s a case of putting two and two together and getting ten. The number of injuries makes me wonder too.

If there is anything in this, it’s a disgrace. It’s one thing having a team of rubbish players, but fitness should be an absolute basic. Actually 100% commitment should be a basic too and there are doubts about that. There’s so much to sort out.

An off-season and preseason reset is desperately required, regardless of who stays and goes. There should be no excuses on that score come August.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:26 - Apr 17 with 2692 viewsgtsb1966

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:10 - Apr 17 by jeera

What you seem to be suggesting is boiled burgers, late nights and a morning build up to the game chain smoking cigarettes.

They could give a go I suppose.


I don't smoke and I don't eat beef either now. Perhaps that's why I feel my age. Still drink as much though
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:29 - Apr 17 with 2666 viewsvictorywilhappen

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:11 - Apr 17 by Marshalls_Mullet

That's James Norwoods routine.


the Dammed Utd style.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:33 - Apr 17 with 2649 viewsblaggers

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:23 - Apr 17 by Churchman

I’m always a bit suspicious when a new manager come in and moans about player fitness. A lot of new managers do it. However, that the team has had an inability to play more than about 45 decent minutes on a good day suggests there may be a fitness problem. Either that or it’s a case of putting two and two together and getting ten. The number of injuries makes me wonder too.

If there is anything in this, it’s a disgrace. It’s one thing having a team of rubbish players, but fitness should be an absolute basic. Actually 100% commitment should be a basic too and there are doubts about that. There’s so much to sort out.

An off-season and preseason reset is desperately required, regardless of who stays and goes. There should be no excuses on that score come August.


You've just got to look at the dreadful injury record at this club over the last few years. Bishop, KVY, Norwood, Wilson, Nolan, Skuse, etc out for prolonged periods of time, fans have been questioning it all season.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:42 - Apr 17 with 2584 viewsBlueBadger

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:33 - Apr 17 by blaggers

You've just got to look at the dreadful injury record at this club over the last few years. Bishop, KVY, Norwood, Wilson, Nolan, Skuse, etc out for prolonged periods of time, fans have been questioning it all season.


It think on the medical side of things, it's being going on even longer than that - look at how often players back from injury broke down under Mick.
Long term injuries to key players under Jewell. It's not a new thing.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 18:26 - Apr 17 with 2438 viewsRegencyBlue

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:42 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger

It think on the medical side of things, it's being going on even longer than that - look at how often players back from injury broke down under Mick.
Long term injuries to key players under Jewell. It's not a new thing.


I think the medical side at the club took the same level of financial cuts as the other departments behind the scenes.

Something else to thank Evans for!
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 19:09 - Apr 17 with 2299 viewsBlueForYou

I've been questioning this for many years, but it's slowly got worse.......
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 19:14 - Apr 17 with 2269 viewsBLUEBEAT

Pretty sure last season it was reported that we had the fittest squad in the league????

Pretty sure the stats were athletically based too

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 21:31 - Apr 17 with 1957 viewsRjackson65324

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:10 - Apr 17 by victorywilhappen

Mental fitness. They are not fit to fight. Remember when the para man took them out...blisters and tears. It's been a culture at the club for a long time maybe.

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I think the last year has hit everyone. But for people who love public attention ( entertainers) it has been "different" to say the least.


Funnily enough I was one of the guys that took them through that stuff, from what I saw back then to what I’ve seen the last few seasons, I don’t think this squad would last.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 22:14 - Apr 17 with 1882 viewsBluesky

American sports have fitness down to a fine art. Our new benefactors will be on this like a shot and do something about it.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 22:51 - Apr 17 with 1784 viewsvictorywilhappen

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 21:31 - Apr 17 by Rjackson65324

Funnily enough I was one of the guys that took them through that stuff, from what I saw back then to what I’ve seen the last few seasons, I don’t think this squad would last.


Tell us more.It was said at the time to be too brutal. At the time the players couldn't cope. I personally thought it was a bare minimum. No athlete should not be able to do P company.. at least a watered down version.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 23:15 - Apr 17 with 1709 viewsRjackson65324

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 22:51 - Apr 17 by victorywilhappen

Tell us more.It was said at the time to be too brutal. At the time the players couldn't cope. I personally thought it was a bare minimum. No athlete should not be able to do P company.. at least a watered down version.


Most of what they did is open source I believe, tbh I think the media made it into more than what it was, I believe the concept what Roy Keane was trying to achieve was team cohesion through struggle. It defo wasn’t anything the players couldn’t handle, I think it was more the shock of capture for a lot of the guys. However I think it was a good idea overall.

Most of the time I was getting autographs 😂

I would actually like to have the players back and do it again, something super easy to set up. I remember we sent our football team to train at Playford Road, we had a pretty good 2 way with the club. Which has dwindled in recent years.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 23:38 - Apr 17 with 1660 viewsBonchosBicycle

Didn't Hurst also identify fitness as an issue? Wanted us to be so fit we outlasted other teams? Double gym sessions?
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 00:23 - Apr 18 with 1607 viewsquirkie

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 17:06 - Apr 17 by gtsb1966

At 2am on a Sunday morning I would stagger out of the local nightclub ( yes you youngsters, clubs really did close then) and go and get the worst boiled burger you could have. Home and in bed by 3am ( unless I got lucky).... so home and in bed by 3am and up at 8.30am to play Sunday football. Smoked 20 fags that night and a couple before the game and at half time yet still played ok nearly every week. Of course it was a different standard but we're talking about different standards of footballers here too. The fitness thing at our club is a shocking revelation of how poorly this club has been run.
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Is that you Mr Brazil?

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 01:36 - Apr 18 with 1556 viewsTieDyedIn95

People say that but the other sides in this league are hardly Olympic athletes are they? Most games over the last 2 years have hardly been shining examples of the best physical condition in football. The division is awful, anyone above slightly average should do alright in this league, which is why we're bang in the middle because that's our ability. We've hardly been run off the park week in and out, in fact in recent weeks most games have been akin to walking football, aside from Wimbledon who actually played like they wanted to win the game, a rarity in this league.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 07:55 - Apr 18 with 1374 viewsvictorywilhappen

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 23:15 - Apr 17 by Rjackson65324

Most of what they did is open source I believe, tbh I think the media made it into more than what it was, I believe the concept what Roy Keane was trying to achieve was team cohesion through struggle. It defo wasn’t anything the players couldn’t handle, I think it was more the shock of capture for a lot of the guys. However I think it was a good idea overall.

Most of the time I was getting autographs 😂

I would actually like to have the players back and do it again, something super easy to set up. I remember we sent our football team to train at Playford Road, we had a pretty good 2 way with the club. Which has dwindled in recent years.


Thanks.
Hope the new squad do work on team fitness. Maybe more military style sessions will be considered .

I think characters like Norwood could shine with the right discipline.

it's going to be an interesting pre-season. New faces and travel restrictions. Maybe Iceland would be a good trip with lots of local stuff in the mix.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 08:12 - Apr 18 with 1347 viewsbobbyramsey

Brings a whole new meaning to this song:

You're not fit to wear the shirt, you're not fit to.................etc etc.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 08:31 - Apr 18 with 1300 viewsChurchman

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 07:55 - Apr 18 by victorywilhappen

Thanks.
Hope the new squad do work on team fitness. Maybe more military style sessions will be considered .

I think characters like Norwood could shine with the right discipline.

it's going to be an interesting pre-season. New faces and travel restrictions. Maybe Iceland would be a good trip with lots of local stuff in the mix.


I understand what you say about players and the right discipline and don’t disagree. However, I think the players have to want to do it. These people are adults and have to have within them that internal desire to be the best they can be.

Part of that discipline has to be with the club to set standards and employ only players who have the right character and are willing to meet those standards. I get that when you are scraping about under the barrel as we have been for years there’s a temptation to ignore a player’s issues if they are talented and cheap or free, but it nearly always ends badly. You can’t change what a person essentially is.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 09:16 - Apr 18 with 1216 viewsvictorywilhappen

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 08:31 - Apr 18 by Churchman

I understand what you say about players and the right discipline and don’t disagree. However, I think the players have to want to do it. These people are adults and have to have within them that internal desire to be the best they can be.

Part of that discipline has to be with the club to set standards and employ only players who have the right character and are willing to meet those standards. I get that when you are scraping about under the barrel as we have been for years there’s a temptation to ignore a player’s issues if they are talented and cheap or free, but it nearly always ends badly. You can’t change what a person essentially is.


"You can’t change what a person essentially is." but they can be guided, moulded, disciplined and given instruction, boundaries , values. Some won't change or are unable to adapt. Others will.

"team cohesion through struggle" was the term used above for the military camp training.
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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 09:24 - Apr 18 with 1189 viewsjayessess

Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 01:36 - Apr 18 by TieDyedIn95

People say that but the other sides in this league are hardly Olympic athletes are they? Most games over the last 2 years have hardly been shining examples of the best physical condition in football. The division is awful, anyone above slightly average should do alright in this league, which is why we're bang in the middle because that's our ability. We've hardly been run off the park week in and out, in fact in recent weeks most games have been akin to walking football, aside from Wimbledon who actually played like they wanted to win the game, a rarity in this league.


Think this view of lower league football is a bit out of date. Every club in L1 is comprised of full-time professional athletes, mostly at their peak athletic ages. We play a lot of teams who are physically strong and fit, even if they aren't the greatest technically.

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Lack of fitness is a big part of the problem on 09:34 - Apr 18 with 1152 viewsRadlett_blue

Didn't we say the same thing when Paul Hurst came in? Better fitness, high press etc?
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