| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse 21:45 - Apr 25 with 8454 views | TractorFrog |
I'm sure Paul Cook has decided on who is getting new contracts and who isn't by now, and I think it is absolutely imperative that the future of these two is announced officially before the final game of the year. Both have done so much for the club, even if it has declined over their time here, and if they are being released, they both deserve a proper send-off in their final game. Shame it will be without the fans. It would be a very unsatisfactory ending to their Ipswich careers if they were released the day after the final game, without it being officially confirmed that it was their final game. Similar to Matt Neal in the BTCC last year. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:29 - Apr 27 with 2318 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:52 - Apr 26 by cwb91 |
Goodness me, hall of fame?!
I'm afraid I don't buy the whole "good servant" nonsense. They have been settled, with their families, didn't want to move and have been content to canter through and collect their £200 as they pass go. When we've really needed both of these players, either in our relegation year or more recently - they have gone missing and are associated with our malaise more than any other players. They haven't raised the level of the team and have quietly sat back and accepted our demise.
That said, they are, of course, good & honest professionals, and they should be treated with respect when they depart but they don't deserve a big fanfare, and I hope they don't get it.
Release them, pat them on the back and we start to rebuild a football team again. |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:33 - Apr 27 with 2313 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:00 - Apr 27 by TieDyedIn95 |
2002 wasn't exactly Hollands greatest hour, but to use that as the benchmark of saying Chambers has been a good captain and should be given a new contract isn't really a comparable situation. That was at the top level. This is the third division. Holland was playing the likes of Henry, Veron, Owen, Chambers has been lining up against Cooper, Hoskins and Jackson. Holland played from 97 to 03 for the club without missing the game, in that time he made 3 playoffs, winning one, played in our best side since the 80's that finished 5th in the Premiership, back to back qualifications for the Europa League and his last two seasons were a bit naff but never anywhere close as the lows we have sunk too while Chambers has captained this club. Not to mention a couple of league cup quarter and semi finals in that same period too. Holland was a good captain.
I am not saying it's all Chambers fault, I am saying he's done bgger all about it for three years of decline, and I am yet to see any evidence to the contrary. He's done here. He had his chance and even in the third division he's just done the basic. It's not good enough. None of them have been good enough. We have to move on. He's not earned another contract, neither has Skuse. Two average footballers, nice guys, but the furthest thing from winners you could imagine in the context of Ipswich Town and the amount of games they have played between them. They were not bad at their very best in 2014. Not bad. But the ship had firmly sailed a year or so later. |
You do know one of the Europa league qualifications was for fairplay? Did Matt Holland achieve that on his own. Massive exaggeration of the captains influence throughout your post | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 05:57 - Apr 27 with 2268 views | TractorJed |
Here lies the problem, average players have had so much influence and been able to amass so many games over a long period of failure.
Gratitude from me? No. Very few players do it for love, the overpaid fat contracts they receive and the easy street approach the club has allowed to fester may have done though?
Realistically where would any have got better contracts or played as many games? |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 07:02 - Apr 27 with 2241 views | BryanPlug |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 07:05 - Apr 27 with 2237 views | BryanPlug |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 19:04 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
For me, as a player alone, he’s well worthy of a spot in the squad - if he’s starting come August then out recruitment has gone wrong. He’s resilient and stays fit - and generally is steady and won’t let you down. |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 07:57 - Apr 27 with 2197 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 07:05 - Apr 27 by BryanPlug |
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No, if sentiment was involved I’d be banging the drum to stay and start rather than the view that realistically it’s a tough decision for Cook and I don’t think either side should have a nailed on view one way or the other.
If he is to go I can accept that he’s 35, and Cook may want a new broom and just to totally start again.
If he is to stay I can see that he has kept himself in great shape, been a good influence around the place forever and he’s done enough on the pitch to stay as a back up.
For me it is those who are desperate for him to go who can’t see the wood through the trees. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 08:40 - Apr 27 with 2155 views | Churchman |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 07:57 - Apr 27 by itfcjoe |
No, if sentiment was involved I’d be banging the drum to stay and start rather than the view that realistically it’s a tough decision for Cook and I don’t think either side should have a nailed on view one way or the other.
If he is to go I can accept that he’s 35, and Cook may want a new broom and just to totally start again.
If he is to stay I can see that he has kept himself in great shape, been a good influence around the place forever and he’s done enough on the pitch to stay as a back up.
For me it is those who are desperate for him to go who can’t see the wood through the trees. |
I’ve moved away from Saturday’s rage and wanting all the players run out of town with pitchforks and flaming torches. I’d still chase out the majority though.
However, the Chambers situation is interesting. Had we been in the Championship, it’d be a case of coaching job or cheerio. But we are in League One. A garbage League if ever there was one. Can he do a job at his age, at least as a squad member, possibly combined with some coaching? Is he a good influence for the club? Only Cook and the coaches will know that, so I agree with you.
It’s certainly should not be about sentiment for me. It’s about worth in the workplace. Changes are going to be enormous and are desperately needed on and off the field and if he has something to add, great. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 9:23]
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 08:52 - Apr 27 with 2144 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 08:40 - Apr 27 by Churchman |
I’ve moved away from Saturday’s rage and wanting all the players run out of town with pitchforks and flaming torches. I’d still chase out the majority though.
However, the Chambers situation is interesting. Had we been in the Championship, it’d be a case of coaching job or cheerio. But we are in League One. A garbage League if ever there was one. Can he do a job at his age, at least as a squad member, possibly combined with some coaching? Is he a good influence for the club? Only Cook and the coaches will know that, so I agree with you.
It’s certainly should not be about sentiment for me. It’s about worth in the workplace. Changes are going to be enormous and are desperately needed on and off the field and if he has something to add, great. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 9:23]
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I don’t think there is anyone there in position to impact the decision with sufficient influence to take a sentimental decision any more - either Cook has seen enough to keep him or seen enough to not.
It’s an exciting summer ahead, I hope that those who seem to dislike him so much can accept the decision if it goes the way they don’t want | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:21 - Apr 27 with 2105 views | Radlett_blue |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 08:52 - Apr 27 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think there is anyone there in position to impact the decision with sufficient influence to take a sentimental decision any more - either Cook has seen enough to keep him or seen enough to not.
It’s an exciting summer ahead, I hope that those who seem to dislike him so much can accept the decision if it goes the way they don’t want |
I'm fine with Cook giving Chambers another deal if he wants, but if he sees him as a regular starting player next season (or as a right back) I doubt Town will be challenging for promotion. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:25 - Apr 27 with 2095 views | DanTheMan |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:21 - Apr 27 by Radlett_blue |
I'm fine with Cook giving Chambers another deal if he wants, but if he sees him as a regular starting player next season (or as a right back) I doubt Town will be challenging for promotion. |
If both Skuse or Chambers are kept on, I can't imagine them starting. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:33 - Apr 27 with 2082 views | Beckets |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 08:52 - Apr 27 by itfcjoe |
I don’t think there is anyone there in position to impact the decision with sufficient influence to take a sentimental decision any more - either Cook has seen enough to keep him or seen enough to not.
It’s an exciting summer ahead, I hope that those who seem to dislike him so much can accept the decision if it goes the way they don’t want |
I don’t get the hate for Chambers. Every game I’ve seen he’s given his best for the team. It’s successive managers who have picked him so if people have an issue it should be with each of them if they think he’s such a poor player. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:52 - Apr 27 with 2060 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:21 - Apr 27 by Radlett_blue |
I'm fine with Cook giving Chambers another deal if he wants, but if he sees him as a regular starting player next season (or as a right back) I doubt Town will be challenging for promotion. |
Our recruitment will have failed if that is the case - let’s hope the new owners get deals done quicker than Evans did! | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:56 - Apr 27 with 2045 views | Churchman |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:33 - Apr 27 by Beckets |
I don’t get the hate for Chambers. Every game I’ve seen he’s given his best for the team. It’s successive managers who have picked him so if people have an issue it should be with each of them if they think he’s such a poor player. |
Chambers is not the best player I’ve ever seen by a long chalk. He wasn’t when he was in his prime in the MM days. However, I’ve never seen him not give 100% or bottle a challenge. He’s been an asset to this club over the years. It’s a basic, but there are plenty of players here over recent years that I think don’t tick those boxes. | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:58 - Apr 27 with 2034 views | DanTheMan |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:56 - Apr 27 by Churchman |
Chambers is not the best player I’ve ever seen by a long chalk. He wasn’t when he was in his prime in the MM days. However, I’ve never seen him not give 100% or bottle a challenge. He’s been an asset to this club over the years. It’s a basic, but there are plenty of players here over recent years that I think don’t tick those boxes. |
Chambers is definitely a "no thrills" kinda player, but honestly not sure what else I'd expect from a centre back who sometimes has to play right back. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:58 - Apr 27 with 2036 views | clive_baker |
They both have to go for me. It's not about their contribution on or off the pitch anymore. As senior members of the squad, there's a softer and less tangible consideration here and that's the message it sends out. If we're going to hit reset and start again, which is effectively what's needed, then we need to actually do it. Cook has an excellent opportunity here to demonstrate a proper clean slate, and the more of the old guard that exist the harder that will be. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:59 - Apr 27 with 2033 views | hype313 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:33 - Apr 27 by Beckets |
I don’t get the hate for Chambers. Every game I’ve seen he’s given his best for the team. It’s successive managers who have picked him so if people have an issue it should be with each of them if they think he’s such a poor player. |
Me neither, in fact he's the one player in the past 5 years that actually shows passion. Not only that, during the past few years he has also stepped up to help the younger players and help integrate the new players/loanees settle as best as they can.
He does a lot of unnoticed work, and yes you could argue if we want to set our sights higher then at 35, he might be in the twilight years, but just having him around in some capacity would be welcome, especially with all the changes that are happening.
I'm up for a refresh with the best of them, but lets not just throw away players who still can add some value both on and off the field. [Post edited 27 Apr 2021 10:07]
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 10:00 - Apr 27 with 2025 views | MrTown |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:33 - Apr 27 by Beckets |
I don’t get the hate for Chambers. Every game I’ve seen he’s given his best for the team. It’s successive managers who have picked him so if people have an issue it should be with each of them if they think he’s such a poor player. |
I don't think anybody hates Chambers, as nobody knows him. Not rating him as a player is a different matter all together. He certainly plays with passion, but he isn't good enough if you want to be challenging for top 2, he shouldn't even be in the squad. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 10:02 - Apr 27 with 2019 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:58 - Apr 27 by clive_baker |
They both have to go for me. It's not about their contribution on or off the pitch anymore. As senior members of the squad, there's a softer and less tangible consideration here and that's the message it sends out. If we're going to hit reset and start again, which is effectively what's needed, then we need to actually do it. Cook has an excellent opportunity here to demonstrate a proper clean slate, and the more of the old guard that exist the harder that will be. |
My thoughts exactly. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 10:09 - Apr 27 with 2000 views | clive_baker |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 10:02 - Apr 27 by tractorboy1978 |
My thoughts exactly. |
I've got nothing against Chambers, I don't believe we can pin years of decline at his door at all. He's been a good servant and I would wish him all the best, but we're talking about 2 average (at best), ageing L1 footballers. It's a bit of a no brainer for me whichever way you cut it, we're not talking about moving on Messi. It's not to say Chambers and Skuse are negatively impacting us, but we have to start with a clean slate IMO. We also have to give everyone a voice. The risk of having 1 or 2 very influential people is the rest hide. It's impossible to quantify the extent to which that's happened but we're a quiet team, we need 4 or 5 leaders on the pitch and it could be the case that some don't feel empowered to do so. I would've wanted to see people laying into Chambers when he makes a mistake, he shouldn't be free from challenge. It's hard very hard to quantify of course, and arguably they're victims of their own large presence now, but if you always do what you did, you'll always get what you got. | |
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