| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse 21:45 - Apr 25 with 8625 views | TractorFrog |
I'm sure Paul Cook has decided on who is getting new contracts and who isn't by now, and I think it is absolutely imperative that the future of these two is announced officially before the final game of the year. Both have done so much for the club, even if it has declined over their time here, and if they are being released, they both deserve a proper send-off in their final game. Shame it will be without the fans. It would be a very unsatisfactory ending to their Ipswich careers if they were released the day after the final game, without it being officially confirmed that it was their final game. Similar to Matt Neal in the BTCC last year. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 13:46 - Apr 26 with 1564 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 13:34 - Apr 26 by chrismakin |
I'm caught with these two
On one hand. I think we need a fresh start. And I still feel some of the 'dont care' mindset comes from them. Afterall they've been here throughout
However i dont have any proof of that so I may be wrong.
So based on football ability.
League 1. As cover I think both could stay.
Chambers is a solid cover cb or RB for this level.
Skuse fit is a good solid sub.. he didnt look out of place saturday
As starters no. But I wouldnt be disappointed if both stayed as covers. ( but it does depend on that mindset thing ) |
I think as part of the clean sweep this summer they should go. Cook needs to bring in a couple of his own lieutenants with a fresh voice about the place. I wouldn't be offering a coaching role either. It's sad their time here has ended on this note but we need a full reset. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 15:14 - Apr 26 with 1523 views | MattinLondon |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 12:59 - Apr 26 by BLUEBEAT |
Disagree.
Especially with regards to the team and club captain. See TieDyedIn95’s post above for clearer reasoning, but he has hidden away from the issues. He does not look to be a captain on the pitch and if we are not getting results from matches, I don’t really care how amazing he is for the club off the pitch.
‘Yes men’ and brown-nosers are the reason we’re in this mess.
Yes, owner and manager are largely responsible but this clubs issues soak all the way down through the coaches, support staff and, ultimately, the players.
A clean slate for Cook is required and it looks like this is what’s going to happen.
I welcome it and have no time for (fake) rose-tinted thanks to nice but ultimately ineffective players. |
How exactly has he hidden away from the issues? |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 15:25 - Apr 26 with 1508 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 15:14 - Apr 26 by MattinLondon |
How exactly has he hidden away from the issues? |
Are you saying you see him as a real commanding captain on the pitch, ala Mogga?
I certainly don’t. He isn’t in the top 3 vocal players when he’s on the pitch.
Armband and handshakes aside, If somebody who didn’t know the team watched them play, there is no way Chambers would be pointed out as captain. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 16:32 - Apr 26 with 1465 views | MattinLondon |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 15:25 - Apr 26 by BLUEBEAT |
Are you saying you see him as a real commanding captain on the pitch, ala Mogga?
I certainly don’t. He isn’t in the top 3 vocal players when he’s on the pitch.
Armband and handshakes aside, If somebody who didn’t know the team watched them play, there is no way Chambers would be pointed out as captain. |
Maybe, just maybe, the various managers who have seen the players close-up see that Chambers is captain material.
I’m not saying he’s a great player but player after player speak highly of him so there must be something in his personality for captain material.
I’m not including Alan Quinn’s assessment of Chambers which was less than complimentary towards him. | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 16:52 - Apr 26 with 1445 views | lazyblue |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 15:25 - Apr 26 by BLUEBEAT |
Are you saying you see him as a real commanding captain on the pitch, ala Mogga?
I certainly don’t. He isn’t in the top 3 vocal players when he’s on the pitch.
Armband and handshakes aside, If somebody who didn’t know the team watched them play, there is no way Chambers would be pointed out as captain. |
So who wound you say is more vocal? He is the only vocal one on the pitch! | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:10 - Apr 26 with 1415 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 16:32 - Apr 26 by MattinLondon |
Maybe, just maybe, the various managers who have seen the players close-up see that Chambers is captain material.
I’m not saying he’s a great player but player after player speak highly of him so there must be something in his personality for captain material.
I’m not including Alan Quinn’s assessment of Chambers which was less than complimentary towards him. |
Haven’t seen him being a captain/leader on the the pitch for at least 3 seasons
Has anyone...? | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:22 - Apr 26 with 1403 views | Churchman |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 11:50 - Apr 26 by TieDyedIn95 |
I was initially in the pro-keeping Chambers on camp.
My views since Cook has come in have changed. The reason being is when you have change like we have, you expect your two senior players to be able to not only fight when they play but motivate the rest of the players to give it a go around them and inspire some performances. There are games this past month that with effort alone we should have won but we didn't turn up. Chambers is the captain and has been complicit in watching this all unfold. He's a nice guy, he's played a ton of games for us, but where where is the fight, where is the desire, where is the inspiration coming from? He's seen a team down tools and he's not done anything about it.
So no, goodbye. They should all be playing out of their skins for contracts, for promotion, to be part of a new managers set up and a bright new future but instead they are going through the motions. If they cared about the club at all, and the fact we've given the names in question a good living for nearly a decade in Chambers, Skuse, Bishop and Sears and that's the best they can do in return?
Come on.
Let's move on now. Evans era needs to be put to bed, as does the last of Micks hangers on. |
I was in favour with keeping Chambers as a squad player/Coach, but I think we need a clean break with the past. That includes the players you suggest, apart from possibly Bishop. He has had a better season fitness wise and in a better team might have something to offer. |  | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:24 - Apr 26 with 1403 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 13:22 - Apr 26 by Bluesky |
I absolutely agree with everything you say. My concern about keeping Chambers for all his service is that he has passively or actively been complicit in the attitude since Cook arrived and before - just as you say. There is a taint in the club and all trace must be erased. |
I am usually one for rewarding service. Chambers has played many games and under very manager since Jewell, although his achievements overall have been poor, he's contributed but equally during relegation and now, these were times he had to step up and really deliver and he hasn't. He's let himself down big time. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:31 - Apr 26 with 1397 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:24 - Apr 26 by TieDyedIn95 |
I am usually one for rewarding service. Chambers has played many games and under very manager since Jewell, although his achievements overall have been poor, he's contributed but equally during relegation and now, these were times he had to step up and really deliver and he hasn't. He's let himself down big time. |
What do you expect him to have done as a defender? We are a team that has barely scored more than a goal a game for 5-6 seasons..... |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:39 - Apr 26 with 1378 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:31 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
What do you expect him to have done as a defender? We are a team that has barely scored more than a goal a game for 5-6 seasons..... |
Why does it have to be about scoring goals? He's the captain, the whole of 2018-19 was a total disaster and he was at the centre of the rows with the new management - fair enough Hurst was crud but he hardly picked the team up or worked his socks off to keep us up, he and the others saw us drop with no fight, last season he again much the same went through the motions with the rest of them and now he's seen them down tools and where is his leadership? Holland, Magilton, Naylor and co. wouldn't have let the sort of performances we've had happen on the pitch.
He should be motivating them, he should be leading as much as anyone but he's not. He's picking up a wage. He's totally anonymous. We need to move on, he's had a good living from us and he hasn't delivered.
Aside from participating in a Playoff (because lets be frank that's all we did manage) he's done nothing as a player here, he has to to be the only player we've had to play that many games to never win a single thing, not one promotion, and baring in mind we've played 2 seasons in the third division now and in the FA Trophy, that's hardly something to shout about is it? Captain of the worse ever Ipswich Town side, played x amount of hundreds of games because we wouldn't buy anyone better. Let's give him another year until he's what 36 or 37 to do more of the same?
Move on. We need to progress. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:44 - Apr 26 with 1367 views | Radlett_blue |
Chambers is 10th on the list of all time Town appearances & I would like to see that recognised.
Skuse has also had 8 solid years at Town & that doesn't happen too often these days.
I would have let both of them go a couple of years ago, but that's irrelevant.
Cook must know what's happening with them & yes, this should be revealed before our final meaningless fixture. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:45 - Apr 26 with 1361 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:39 - Apr 26 by TieDyedIn95 |
Why does it have to be about scoring goals? He's the captain, the whole of 2018-19 was a total disaster and he was at the centre of the rows with the new management - fair enough Hurst was crud but he hardly picked the team up or worked his socks off to keep us up, he and the others saw us drop with no fight, last season he again much the same went through the motions with the rest of them and now he's seen them down tools and where is his leadership? Holland, Magilton, Naylor and co. wouldn't have let the sort of performances we've had happen on the pitch.
He should be motivating them, he should be leading as much as anyone but he's not. He's picking up a wage. He's totally anonymous. We need to move on, he's had a good living from us and he hasn't delivered.
Aside from participating in a Playoff (because lets be frank that's all we did manage) he's done nothing as a player here, he has to to be the only player we've had to play that many games to never win a single thing, not one promotion, and baring in mind we've played 2 seasons in the third division now and in the FA Trophy, that's hardly something to shout about is it? Captain of the worse ever Ipswich Town side, played x amount of hundreds of games because we wouldn't buy anyone better. Let's give him another year until he's what 36 or 37 to do more of the same?
Move on. We need to progress. |
Where were you in 2001/02 when likes of Holland were passive as we were pathetic and put in some terrible performances? Or when those players saw us not even get into top 6 of the Championship?
To put all that responsibility on the shoulders of one or two players whether they were captain or not is unfair. He is captain not manager, he isn’t responsible for the squad being the state it’s in, for the gradual lowering of player quality, for the lack of interest shown by owner, for a manager who spent this season in conflict with players when he bothered to talk to him.....
If Cook decides Chambers is to go then I’ll back his judgement, but if he decides he is to stay then I hope those who blame him for too much also do the same | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:59 - Apr 26 with 1327 views | Churchman |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:45 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
Where were you in 2001/02 when likes of Holland were passive as we were pathetic and put in some terrible performances? Or when those players saw us not even get into top 6 of the Championship?
To put all that responsibility on the shoulders of one or two players whether they were captain or not is unfair. He is captain not manager, he isn’t responsible for the squad being the state it’s in, for the gradual lowering of player quality, for the lack of interest shown by owner, for a manager who spent this season in conflict with players when he bothered to talk to him.....
If Cook decides Chambers is to go then I’ll back his judgement, but if he decides he is to stay then I hope those who blame him for too much also do the same |
I don’t think it’s about blame. It’s more about what he has to offer. Of course, we don’t know what he is like as a person or an influence in the club. He maybe brilliant, he maybe a bad influence. If he is viewed as a valuable asset in some way shape or form going forward, great..
Purely as a player alone with no idea on the above, I’d let him go along with the others mentioned. | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 19:04 - Apr 26 with 1318 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:59 - Apr 26 by Churchman |
I don’t think it’s about blame. It’s more about what he has to offer. Of course, we don’t know what he is like as a person or an influence in the club. He maybe brilliant, he maybe a bad influence. If he is viewed as a valuable asset in some way shape or form going forward, great..
Purely as a player alone with no idea on the above, I’d let him go along with the others mentioned. |
For me, as a player alone, he’s well worthy of a spot in the squad - if he’s starting come August then out recruitment has gone wrong. He’s resilient and stays fit - and generally is steady and won’t let you down. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 19:39 - Apr 26 with 1277 views | MrTown |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 19:04 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
For me, as a player alone, he’s well worthy of a spot in the squad - if he’s starting come August then out recruitment has gone wrong. He’s resilient and stays fit - and generally is steady and won’t let you down. |
He’s been a decent servant, but if you’re serious about building a top 2 squad, Chambers/Skuse/Sears etc shouldn’t be anywhere near it anymore.
We shouldn’t be offing out a squad with bang average League 1 players. |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:12 - Apr 26 with 1238 views | 3_5_2 |
For me its a budget thing as much as anything.
They are both on a decent wack and having them in the building for sentiments sake is, in my view, not the way forward if we want to clear the decks of the old guard totally.
Chambers has certainly always given 100%, which cannot be said about so many players (I never saw him as a right back though) but his time is up for me.
Give him a good send by all means but for me, time to go
Skuse is done, his wages would be better served on other, younger players |  |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:33 - Apr 26 with 1202 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 19:39 - Apr 26 by MrTown |
He’s been a decent servant, but if you’re serious about building a top 2 squad, Chambers/Skuse/Sears etc shouldn’t be anywhere near it anymore.
We shouldn’t be offing out a squad with bang average League 1 players. |
But they are 3 different players....
Chambers - has played week in-week out and shown he can still easily do a job at this level
Skuse - has barely played this season, at 35 do you give a player with 150 minutes of football in a season a new deal
Sears - been in and out of the side, not been able to make an impact this season, doesn’t look as though he has made it back from injury as the same player.
If judging it by on the pitch only then you give Chambers a deal, presuming he’s happy to be a back up.....but he’s a bigger decision than that for all he entails for the club so is Cooks biggest decision | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:36 - Apr 26 with 1197 views | HarleydavidsonBlue |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:45 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
Where were you in 2001/02 when likes of Holland were passive as we were pathetic and put in some terrible performances? Or when those players saw us not even get into top 6 of the Championship?
To put all that responsibility on the shoulders of one or two players whether they were captain or not is unfair. He is captain not manager, he isn’t responsible for the squad being the state it’s in, for the gradual lowering of player quality, for the lack of interest shown by owner, for a manager who spent this season in conflict with players when he bothered to talk to him.....
If Cook decides Chambers is to go then I’ll back his judgement, but if he decides he is to stay then I hope those who blame him for too much also do the same |
Surely as a captain, it it his job to motivate the team irrespective of who is in the team. The manager picks the team. But, as captain he should know what his players are capable of ? For the last 2 seasons, he has failed to do so. You are right he has kept himself fit, but, why has he not encouraged the other members of the team to do the same ? probably to easy to say nothing for fear of upsetting the others ! Moving forward, under a new manager, and new owners, who want success by being promoted, do you really believe that chambers at the age of 35 ? is really going to cut the mustard, based on the last two seasons, I don't think so !! Bring on the next season. As the old saying goes, "a new broom sweeps clean"
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:40 - Apr 26 with 1183 views | MrTown |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:33 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
But they are 3 different players....
Chambers - has played week in-week out and shown he can still easily do a job at this level
Skuse - has barely played this season, at 35 do you give a player with 150 minutes of football in a season a new deal
Sears - been in and out of the side, not been able to make an impact this season, doesn’t look as though he has made it back from injury as the same player.
If judging it by on the pitch only then you give Chambers a deal, presuming he’s happy to be a back up.....but he’s a bigger decision than that for all he entails for the club so is Cooks biggest decision |
3 different players, but all should have the same outcome, released.
Can do a job at this level, but I suspect the ambition of the club will be building a squad with better players than him going forward. If we were still in the ME era on a shoestring budget, I’m sure he would be kept. Ambitions have to be set higher when building a squad than Chambers now.
A good servant, but his time is up here. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:52 - Apr 26 with 1175 views | cwb91 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 09:53 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
Yep, they have played the best part of 1000 games between them - and sure they'd be more frustrated than anyone that there hasn't been the success with it. Some will blame them for that but that misses the point for me, they aren't running the club and never have been despite what is sometimes said.
There won't be statues of them, but LC and CS will end up inducted into our hall of fame at some point when you see who is in it currently.
You hear stories of long serving players at clubs being released by e-mail (Heard James Collins talk about West Ham exit), we have to ensure that if they go it will be with a 'thank you and good luck' opposed to being ignored |
Goodness me, hall of fame?!
I'm afraid I don't buy the whole "good servant" nonsense. They have been settled, with their families, didn't want to move and have been content to canter through and collect their £200 as they pass go. When we've really needed both of these players, either in our relegation year or more recently - they have gone missing and are associated with our malaise more than any other players. They haven't raised the level of the team and have quietly sat back and accepted our demise.
That said, they are, of course, good & honest professionals, and they should be treated with respect when they depart but they don't deserve a big fanfare, and I hope they don't get it.
Release them, pat them on the back and we start to rebuild a football team again. | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 21:18 - Apr 26 with 1142 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:36 - Apr 26 by HarleydavidsonBlue |
Surely as a captain, it it his job to motivate the team irrespective of who is in the team. The manager picks the team. But, as captain he should know what his players are capable of ? For the last 2 seasons, he has failed to do so. You are right he has kept himself fit, but, why has he not encouraged the other members of the team to do the same ? probably to easy to say nothing for fear of upsetting the others ! Moving forward, under a new manager, and new owners, who want success by being promoted, do you really believe that chambers at the age of 35 ? is really going to cut the mustard, based on the last two seasons, I don't think so !! Bring on the next season. As the old saying goes, "a new broom sweeps clean"
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I think people massively overthink and overstate what a captains role is at a football club personally. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 21:29 - Apr 26 with 1120 views | Churchman |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 20:33 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
But they are 3 different players....
Chambers - has played week in-week out and shown he can still easily do a job at this level
Skuse - has barely played this season, at 35 do you give a player with 150 minutes of football in a season a new deal
Sears - been in and out of the side, not been able to make an impact this season, doesn’t look as though he has made it back from injury as the same player.
If judging it by on the pitch only then you give Chambers a deal, presuming he’s happy to be a back up.....but he’s a bigger decision than that for all he entails for the club so is Cooks biggest decision |
I think the Chambers question is an interesting one and I take your points on that. Im wavering re him. A lot depends on Chambers himself, what he’s like and what he has to offer outside the football bit we see. It also depends on what players are brought in of course,. | | | |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 21:36 - Apr 26 with 1113 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 21:29 - Apr 26 by Churchman |
I think the Chambers question is an interesting one and I take your points on that. Im wavering re him. A lot depends on Chambers himself, what he’s like and what he has to offer outside the football bit we see. It also depends on what players are brought in of course,. |
Think as a fanbase we just have to back manager whichever way he goes - I personally don’t think anyone on either side of debate can really make a strong case why either decision Cook makes is massively wrong. It’ll be one that is carefully considered either way. | |
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:00 - Apr 27 with 1035 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 18:45 - Apr 26 by itfcjoe |
Where were you in 2001/02 when likes of Holland were passive as we were pathetic and put in some terrible performances? Or when those players saw us not even get into top 6 of the Championship?
To put all that responsibility on the shoulders of one or two players whether they were captain or not is unfair. He is captain not manager, he isn’t responsible for the squad being the state it’s in, for the gradual lowering of player quality, for the lack of interest shown by owner, for a manager who spent this season in conflict with players when he bothered to talk to him.....
If Cook decides Chambers is to go then I’ll back his judgement, but if he decides he is to stay then I hope those who blame him for too much also do the same |
2002 wasn't exactly Hollands greatest hour, but to use that as the benchmark of saying Chambers has been a good captain and should be given a new contract isn't really a comparable situation. That was at the top level. This is the third division. Holland was playing the likes of Henry, Veron, Owen, Chambers has been lining up against Cooper, Hoskins and Jackson. Holland played from 97 to 03 for the club without missing the game, in that time he made 3 playoffs, winning one, played in our best side since the 80's that finished 5th in the Premiership, back to back qualifications for the Europa League and his last two seasons were a bit naff but never anywhere close as the lows we have sunk too while Chambers has captained this club. Not to mention a couple of league cup quarter and semi finals in that same period too. Holland was a good captain.
I am not saying it's all Chambers fault, I am saying he's done bgger all about it for three years of decline, and I am yet to see any evidence to the contrary. He's done here. He had his chance and even in the third division he's just done the basic. It's not good enough. None of them have been good enough. We have to move on. He's not earned another contract, neither has Skuse. Two average footballers, nice guys, but the furthest thing from winners you could imagine in the context of Ipswich Town and the amount of games they have played between them. They were not bad at their very best in 2014. Not bad. But the ship had firmly sailed a year or so later. | |
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Football League Third Division / EFL League One Champions (2): 1953—54, 1956—57 - Southern League Champions (1): 1936—37
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| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:02 - Apr 27 with 1032 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Luke Chambers and Cole Skuse on 00:00 - Apr 27 by TieDyedIn95 |
2002 wasn't exactly Hollands greatest hour, but to use that as the benchmark of saying Chambers has been a good captain and should be given a new contract isn't really a comparable situation. That was at the top level. This is the third division. Holland was playing the likes of Henry, Veron, Owen, Chambers has been lining up against Cooper, Hoskins and Jackson. Holland played from 97 to 03 for the club without missing the game, in that time he made 3 playoffs, winning one, played in our best side since the 80's that finished 5th in the Premiership, back to back qualifications for the Europa League and his last two seasons were a bit naff but never anywhere close as the lows we have sunk too while Chambers has captained this club. Not to mention a couple of league cup quarter and semi finals in that same period too. Holland was a good captain.
I am not saying it's all Chambers fault, I am saying he's done bgger all about it for three years of decline, and I am yet to see any evidence to the contrary. He's done here. He had his chance and even in the third division he's just done the basic. It's not good enough. None of them have been good enough. We have to move on. He's not earned another contract, neither has Skuse. Two average footballers, nice guys, but the furthest thing from winners you could imagine in the context of Ipswich Town and the amount of games they have played between them. They were not bad at their very best in 2014. Not bad. But the ship had firmly sailed a year or so later. |
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