| Indian Variant - Absolutely livid. 18:32 - May 14 with 13496 views | Trequartista |
I'm not a viroligist. I'm not an expert. I'm not a fortune-teller. I'm not privy to all the data. I'm just a punter trying to make sense of the data in the public domain.
So why on earth did we keep India off the red list for so long when people like me could see a mile off back in mid-April that this was a huge risk? This was not hindsight, this was plain sight.
Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list by StokieBlue 14 Apr 2021 11:43It sounds awful there at the moment with a new wave running totally out of control after the easing of restrictions:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/14/a-tsunami-of-cases-desperation-as-covid-second-wave-batters-india
This line is the one that is incredibly worrying though and I would think should mean India is on the red list until other countries can do some genome sequencing:
"Nightmare scenes of a country struggling to cope have begun to emerge as doctors speak of a new variant of the virus that appears to be spreading faster than ever before, affecting young people and even children this time around."
"This time we are seeing younger people between 20 and 40 getting seriously affected and even children are now being hospitalised with severe symptoms."
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Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list by Trequartista 16 Apr 2021 9:40The ‘double mutation’ Indian variant has today been detected in the uk. I am absolutely amazed India was not put on the red list. We knew it was bad there when they withheld the az vaccine for their own people. Appalling mistake by the government
Sounds like India needs to be put on the red list by StokieBlue 23 Apr 2021 12:44So India is now on the red list, 9 days after this thread and obviously far too late.
The most sequenced variant of C19 in the UK (after the UK variant) is now the Indian B1617 variant. It's not huge numbers at the moment but it's definitely here and most likely has been for a month or two (but closing up sooner would likely still have helped).
This table is quite interesting to show the difference between the variants - with regards to the Indian variant a lot of the answers are "don't know" at the moment:
https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1383107879058608129
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Where are the questions from the journalists about this? All I saw was questions about the future that have already been answered with "depends and don't know". Where is the Labour Party holding the Government and its advisors to task? Yvette Cooper is the only person i've seen ask the question.
Look at this from disgraceful statement from Whitty ""What we know with all the variants is that things can come out of a blue sky - you're not expecting it and then something happens - that happened with the B.1.1.7 (the variant first identified in Kent), that has happened to India with this variant as well"
The only thing coming out the blue sky were the aeroplanes you kept letting land from India bringing the variants!
They is now a fair chance we are going to be asked to obey restrictions for longer than promised because of this, and no-one seems to care.
Livid.
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| Indian Variant - Absolutely livid. on 19:02 - May 15 with 382 views | HARRY10 |
| Indian Variant - Absolutely livid. on 15:10 - May 15 by borge |
Agreed! I think we all feel the govt should be doing more to stop the Indian variant and that their response in that respect and in relation to all previous steps of lockdown has been cr@p! |
For my part it is not so much the response has been crap...but why has it been crap. As unless we begin to grasp the cause I fear we will simply be stumbling from one cok up to another.
Having ignored the advice of Cygnus the government carried on running down stocks of PPE such that when the pandemic hit the country suffered the consequences
This was then further compounded by having possible the worst PM in it''s history. A self interested buffoon who thought it better to have a photo op with a Chinese dragon puppet outside No 10 than attend the first COBRA meeting on the pandemic. He then skipped the next four, and when further neglecting his responsibilities took a 12 day holiday telling staff not to send the red boxes as he would not read them.
From then on it has been start stop with this buffoon more keen ti save profits than save lives.
there are so many countries around the club, who righties would dismiss as being 'leser than the UK who have domne far better in the handling of this pandemic.
And whatever weasel worded excuses were made for the horrendous death toll in early 2020 - they canot be dragged out now. the Scots took early action to desl with the Indian variant. Englkand left the door open, and told voters that they could go on holiday abroad - just as thanks to the Buffon the vcountry would be open for Xmas.
What I suspect is that a large anumber of the UK populace will feel they have been badly let down, as by and large they stuck with the rules only to find the 'promises' of foreign travel and lockdown easing have been put under threat by the same incompetence that killed so many previously.
The harsh reality if that is, if you elect someone as PM who has always shown far more self interest, than interest in the country then don't be surprised if that causes the mess we are once again back in.
Actions have consequences, and maybe at some point some might just grasp this..... as they see their holidays cancelled and their jobs lost. |  | | |
| Indian Variant - Absolutely livid. on 19:28 - May 15 with 356 views | SpruceMoose |
| Indian Variant - Absolutely livid. on 14:43 - May 15 by bluelagos |
So here's the issue - is a govt saying "it is safe to go on holiday" the same as "100 mph in a hurricane is fine"?
Remember that many countries allowed tourism. They encouraged it last summer and will be doing so again this summer. We have companies bombarding us with adverts for holidays. Last week the BBC put bar owners from the Algarve on breakfast tv telling us how they hoped to welcome visitors from Monday.
So whilst it may (or may not) prove to be safe to go to Portugal - your position that it is "obviously unsafe" isn't one that is a fair comparison. |
Come on now BL. Think back to last summer. It was obvious that international travel, and all that entails, was never safe. You couldn't go and get a cup of tea from your local café but people can converge on an airport from miles away before cramming themselves into a plane for three or four hours, before all going your seperate ways at the other end? And then do it again in a fortnight. It was all so unnecessary. One summer without a foreign holiday. That was all they needed to do.
It was obviously a stupid thing to do. But some people wanted to do it anyway. They don't get to be absolved of all responsibility.
No point discussing it really anyway. If our positions haven't changed a year later they aren't likely to change now. |  |
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