| june 21 local restrictions? 12:56 - Jun 6 with 2242 views | Trequartista |
With Indian Variant cases rising exponentially in hotspots, yet only 5 total cases in a week in Ipswich, although it is preferable and noble that the country stay together, wouldn't it be sensible to keep local restrictions on june 21 for areas where cases are rising exponentionally? There are people's lives and businesses on the line in areas where covid prevalence is extremely low, i don't think they should go to the wall over a noble display of unity.
Furthermore, maybe if you've had both jabs, similar to the policy in the USA, you can get rid of the masks? |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:07 - Jun 6 with 2191 views | Mullet |
I really don't understand the anti-mask nonsense. If it stops someone dying surely it's easy enough? Even in searing heat yesterday putting one indoors wasn't difficult.
In fact I think they should be mandatory in winter if there's the resurgence suggested. Especially in public buildings and institutions.
There's certainly a case for local measures, but given people broke national ones so readily, they essentially become meaningless when so many find a justification for why they won't apply to them.
People are fatigued and unwilling to accept life has completely changed and that's the biggest problem. When the government have so much blood on their hands and keep getting so much wrong it's little wonder we are in such a poor position.
Media shills like Hartley-Brewer hurrumphing about her freedoms aren't helpful either because you get two very different camps undermining the authority of a government happy to make up new rules so Gove can take his son to the footy etc.
I predict a free for all, with more public blaming from MPs and a harder winter than necessary. |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:17 - Jun 6 with 2148 views | Guthrum |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:07 - Jun 6 by Mullet |
I really don't understand the anti-mask nonsense. If it stops someone dying surely it's easy enough? Even in searing heat yesterday putting one indoors wasn't difficult.
In fact I think they should be mandatory in winter if there's the resurgence suggested. Especially in public buildings and institutions.
There's certainly a case for local measures, but given people broke national ones so readily, they essentially become meaningless when so many find a justification for why they won't apply to them.
People are fatigued and unwilling to accept life has completely changed and that's the biggest problem. When the government have so much blood on their hands and keep getting so much wrong it's little wonder we are in such a poor position.
Media shills like Hartley-Brewer hurrumphing about her freedoms aren't helpful either because you get two very different camps undermining the authority of a government happy to make up new rules so Gove can take his son to the footy etc.
I predict a free for all, with more public blaming from MPs and a harder winter than necessary. |
It's been a great shame that governments have been pushing this "back to normal" narrative, especially over a short timescale.
We may be progressing well (in the UK, at least), but Covid has not gone away, the Pandemic is not over. Things are going to continue fluctuating for perhaps years to come. There may not be a complete return to "old normal" in our lifetimes. |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:23 - Jun 6 with 2121 views | XYZ |
If England had a functional test, trace and isolate policy then you could do this.
However, £37 billion spent on your mates can't buy you such a system, so no, it wouldn't work. |  | | |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:26 - Jun 6 with 2094 views | SpruceMoose |
Worth pointing out that wherever I've been over here people have not given up masks despite the government pretty much telling us we can. |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:13 - Jun 6 with 1876 views | StokieBlue |
The problem with this is that you'll have the mayors and representatives of the areas where restrictions are in put place screaming it's unfair and that they are being singled out.
As it stands things are pretty well opened up, capacity is of course down but I don't see that a few more weeks of these rules is really going to hurt much (obviously it's easy to say that given it's not my business that's affected). I would extend the current rules it for a couple of weeks just to get more people vaccinated. I think local restrictions are probably more likely though.
As for masks, I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. I think that wearing masks in places like public transport should continue every winter to minimise the spread of all respiratory illness such as flu. The culture of wearing them in these places certainly helped Asian countries at the start of the pandemic.
Wouldn't allowing people with two vaccines to have different rules essentially be implementing vaccine passports by stealth? I am sure some might see it that way. This is already happening anyway, I heard an advert on the radio the other day for a cruise which stated at the end that only people with 2 vaccinations could book.
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:19 - Jun 6 with 1837 views | Oldsmoker |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:26 - Jun 6 by SpruceMoose |
Worth pointing out that wherever I've been over here people have not given up masks despite the government pretty much telling us we can. |
All governments missed a trick.
They should have got the personalities/celebreties/influencers to make masks the must-have cool fashion item. |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:24 - Jun 6 with 1810 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:13 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue |
The problem with this is that you'll have the mayors and representatives of the areas where restrictions are in put place screaming it's unfair and that they are being singled out.
As it stands things are pretty well opened up, capacity is of course down but I don't see that a few more weeks of these rules is really going to hurt much (obviously it's easy to say that given it's not my business that's affected). I would extend the current rules it for a couple of weeks just to get more people vaccinated. I think local restrictions are probably more likely though.
As for masks, I don't understand why it's such a problem for some people. I think that wearing masks in places like public transport should continue every winter to minimise the spread of all respiratory illness such as flu. The culture of wearing them in these places certainly helped Asian countries at the start of the pandemic.
Wouldn't allowing people with two vaccines to have different rules essentially be implementing vaccine passports by stealth? I am sure some might see it that way. This is already happening anyway, I heard an advert on the radio the other day for a cruise which stated at the end that only people with 2 vaccinations could book.
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Re your third paragraph - I think it should be entirely optional, and people should have the free choice of whether or not to risk catching a cold when they get on the train.
We are never going to agree on this. |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:24 - Jun 6 with 1806 views | jaykay |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:19 - Jun 6 by Oldsmoker |
All governments missed a trick.
They should have got the personalities/celebreties/influencers to make masks the must-have cool fashion item. |
spot on, look what becks and posh did for tattoo parlours |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:36 - Jun 6 with 1765 views | StokieBlue |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:24 - Jun 6 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Re your third paragraph - I think it should be entirely optional, and people should have the free choice of whether or not to risk catching a cold when they get on the train.
We are never going to agree on this. |
It's not just a cold though is it?
People catching entirely preventable diseases such as flu takes NHS resources away from other things. This should be clear to everyone now. Our initial infections of C19 would have been lower with this type of measure in place just as they were across Asia. How is that a bad thing?
I really don't see how wearing a mask for 20 minutes in a confined space hurts anyone, can you explain how it affects you in any adverse way? Can you then explain why it's OK to "catch a cold" and then pass it on to others on the train?
You don't have to worry, it will be optional but there is a very, very strong case for it not to be and I would think that most medical experts would agree. It won't happen though and in the end those who do think it's a good idea could feel pressured not to wear one.
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:48 - Jun 6 with 1716 views | bluelagos |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:36 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue |
It's not just a cold though is it?
People catching entirely preventable diseases such as flu takes NHS resources away from other things. This should be clear to everyone now. Our initial infections of C19 would have been lower with this type of measure in place just as they were across Asia. How is that a bad thing?
I really don't see how wearing a mask for 20 minutes in a confined space hurts anyone, can you explain how it affects you in any adverse way? Can you then explain why it's OK to "catch a cold" and then pass it on to others on the train?
You don't have to worry, it will be optional but there is a very, very strong case for it not to be and I would think that most medical experts would agree. It won't happen though and in the end those who do think it's a good idea could feel pressured not to wear one.
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I think there are 2 aspects to wearing a mask, protecting yourself from picking up a virus and protecting others if you have a cold/virus.
So I'd expect to see a number of anxious people continuing to use them whereever they are near strangers (as a comfort blanket) and then also (hopefully) people with colds/flu etc. adopting them much as they always did in much of Asia. The second has to be a good thing and far better than sneezing away on a busy tube and so on.
One reason to ditch them asap is the environmental impact from literally billions of masks. Both making them and disposing of them.
There's also the costs. Be interesting to see if the cost of making them compulsory on transport or shops was justified vs using that money in say disease screening. (Got no idea of the answer btw) |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:53 - Jun 6 with 1711 views | StokieBlue |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:48 - Jun 6 by bluelagos |
I think there are 2 aspects to wearing a mask, protecting yourself from picking up a virus and protecting others if you have a cold/virus.
So I'd expect to see a number of anxious people continuing to use them whereever they are near strangers (as a comfort blanket) and then also (hopefully) people with colds/flu etc. adopting them much as they always did in much of Asia. The second has to be a good thing and far better than sneezing away on a busy tube and so on.
One reason to ditch them asap is the environmental impact from literally billions of masks. Both making them and disposing of them.
There's also the costs. Be interesting to see if the cost of making them compulsory on transport or shops was justified vs using that money in say disease screening. (Got no idea of the answer btw) |
On your final paragraph - do you mean historically in the pandemic (it's past tense but want to make sure).
If you do then it was definitely worth it, the spread of something as infectious as C19 in a confined transport vessel would have been huge, it could easily have infected everyone in there. Possibly the case for supermarkets is less clear-cut given they are bigger but given what we know it probably would have been bad in there as well when something like the Kent variant hit.
Given the track and trace fiasco, the costs versus effectiveness of masks must be very high.
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:01 - Jun 6 with 1682 views | bluelagos |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:53 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue |
On your final paragraph - do you mean historically in the pandemic (it's past tense but want to make sure).
If you do then it was definitely worth it, the spread of something as infectious as C19 in a confined transport vessel would have been huge, it could easily have infected everyone in there. Possibly the case for supermarkets is less clear-cut given they are bigger but given what we know it probably would have been bad in there as well when something like the Kent variant hit.
Given the track and trace fiasco, the costs versus effectiveness of masks must be very high.
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No, I mean looking forward.
Would making say masks compulsary on public transport Dec to Feb and paying for them be a good investment of public money?
If so, lets do it, if not, lets stop worrying about it. (In a nutshell) | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:09 - Jun 6 with 1659 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 16:36 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue |
It's not just a cold though is it?
People catching entirely preventable diseases such as flu takes NHS resources away from other things. This should be clear to everyone now. Our initial infections of C19 would have been lower with this type of measure in place just as they were across Asia. How is that a bad thing?
I really don't see how wearing a mask for 20 minutes in a confined space hurts anyone, can you explain how it affects you in any adverse way? Can you then explain why it's OK to "catch a cold" and then pass it on to others on the train?
You don't have to worry, it will be optional but there is a very, very strong case for it not to be and I would think that most medical experts would agree. It won't happen though and in the end those who do think it's a good idea could feel pressured not to wear one.
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There are no adverse effects other than the fact that I just don't want to.
I can remember the times when you could walk into the shop or on to a train and not have to worry about where you put your mask. And if you forgot it nowadays, well your plans are screwed.
I never actually take public transport, but I disagree with the principle. I do go in shops quite often, however (and other indoor environments).
Glad you think it will be optional. I've nothing against people who would prefer to wear one. I also agree with your scientific arguments, but it's still not for me. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 17:11]
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:53 - Jun 6 with 1570 views | StokieBlue |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:09 - Jun 6 by ThisIsMyUsername |
There are no adverse effects other than the fact that I just don't want to.
I can remember the times when you could walk into the shop or on to a train and not have to worry about where you put your mask. And if you forgot it nowadays, well your plans are screwed.
I never actually take public transport, but I disagree with the principle. I do go in shops quite often, however (and other indoor environments).
Glad you think it will be optional. I've nothing against people who would prefer to wear one. I also agree with your scientific arguments, but it's still not for me. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 17:11]
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Fair enough, you say you agree with the scientific arguments but just don't want to wear one which is an opinion you're entitled to.
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:54 - Jun 6 with 1565 views | StokieBlue |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:01 - Jun 6 by bluelagos |
No, I mean looking forward.
Would making say masks compulsary on public transport Dec to Feb and paying for them be a good investment of public money?
If so, lets do it, if not, lets stop worrying about it. (In a nutshell) |
Ah, OK.
In which case the cost of masks on public transport when ordered in bulk and in advance would be very little I think. Perhaps there will be a study into your question but I feel it would definitely be cost effective.
There would be issues with take-up though as this thread proves.
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:04 - Jun 6 with 1533 views | J2BLUE |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:09 - Jun 6 by ThisIsMyUsername |
There are no adverse effects other than the fact that I just don't want to.
I can remember the times when you could walk into the shop or on to a train and not have to worry about where you put your mask. And if you forgot it nowadays, well your plans are screwed.
I never actually take public transport, but I disagree with the principle. I do go in shops quite often, however (and other indoor environments).
Glad you think it will be optional. I've nothing against people who would prefer to wear one. I also agree with your scientific arguments, but it's still not for me. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 17:11]
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Wow, you mean a magical time when covid didn't exist?!?! |  |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:21 - Jun 6 with 1478 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:53 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough, you say you agree with the scientific arguments but just don't want to wear one which is an opinion you're entitled to.
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This makes me feel all warm inside.
Better do a quick lateral flow. | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:22 - Jun 6 with 1476 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:04 - Jun 6 by J2BLUE |
Wow, you mean a magical time when covid didn't exist?!?! |
Never forget. | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:28 - Jun 6 with 1470 views | Trequartista |
Interesting replies, some points raised that i hadn't considered, thanks. | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:41 - Jun 6 with 1441 views | Sarge |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 13:07 - Jun 6 by Mullet |
I really don't understand the anti-mask nonsense. If it stops someone dying surely it's easy enough? Even in searing heat yesterday putting one indoors wasn't difficult.
In fact I think they should be mandatory in winter if there's the resurgence suggested. Especially in public buildings and institutions.
There's certainly a case for local measures, but given people broke national ones so readily, they essentially become meaningless when so many find a justification for why they won't apply to them.
People are fatigued and unwilling to accept life has completely changed and that's the biggest problem. When the government have so much blood on their hands and keep getting so much wrong it's little wonder we are in such a poor position.
Media shills like Hartley-Brewer hurrumphing about her freedoms aren't helpful either because you get two very different camps undermining the authority of a government happy to make up new rules so Gove can take his son to the footy etc.
I predict a free for all, with more public blaming from MPs and a harder winter than necessary. |
I had my vaccine on Friday. Within seconds my temperature shot up and had I stayed in the surgery the required amount of observation time id have collapsed. Had to get outside asap and take the mask off because on top of not being able to see or hear anything I was quickly approaching can’t breathe territory.
They’ll become optional at some point and rightly so. In fact if that was the only change on June 21 I’d be more than happy. | | | |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:44 - Jun 6 with 1424 views | Sarge |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 17:09 - Jun 6 by ThisIsMyUsername |
There are no adverse effects other than the fact that I just don't want to.
I can remember the times when you could walk into the shop or on to a train and not have to worry about where you put your mask. And if you forgot it nowadays, well your plans are screwed.
I never actually take public transport, but I disagree with the principle. I do go in shops quite often, however (and other indoor environments).
Glad you think it will be optional. I've nothing against people who would prefer to wear one. I also agree with your scientific arguments, but it's still not for me. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 17:11]
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They have a secondary benefit of limiting transmission in that I absolutely will not go shopping for leisure, take public transport, or do anything that is remotely non essential at the moment. If it requires a mask it’s a miserable experience. I really miss being able to just walk into a shop or go anywhere indoors without first thinking do I really *need* to be here. | | | |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:58 - Jun 6 with 1383 views | Mullet |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:41 - Jun 6 by Sarge |
I had my vaccine on Friday. Within seconds my temperature shot up and had I stayed in the surgery the required amount of observation time id have collapsed. Had to get outside asap and take the mask off because on top of not being able to see or hear anything I was quickly approaching can’t breathe territory.
They’ll become optional at some point and rightly so. In fact if that was the only change on June 21 I’d be more than happy. |
What did your temp hit right after? I’d have thought being rendered blind and deaf they’d have got you to a dr? I’m not sure where I advocated masks even during breathing difficulties did I?
Hopefully you’re better now. I’m expecting shot 2 to be bad as I had Covid and apparently that’s a good trigger for side effects | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 19:25 - Jun 6 with 1352 views | Sarge |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:58 - Jun 6 by Mullet |
What did your temp hit right after? I’d have thought being rendered blind and deaf they’d have got you to a dr? I’m not sure where I advocated masks even during breathing difficulties did I?
Hopefully you’re better now. I’m expecting shot 2 to be bad as I had Covid and apparently that’s a good trigger for side effects |
I had no way to measure it but it was a very rapid change. Thankfully it dIssipated along with the blurred vision and loud ringing in my ears as I sat in my car with the windows down for 10 mins or so. Aside from that little period I have had no side effects. It was Pfizer which generally I haven’t seen that many people have a reaction to.
You didn’t, just providing an anecdote for when my persistent mental discomfort actually gave way to physical discomfort. | | | |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 20:29 - Jun 6 with 1266 views | Stenvict |
| june 21 local restrictions? on 18:58 - Jun 6 by Mullet |
What did your temp hit right after? I’d have thought being rendered blind and deaf they’d have got you to a dr? I’m not sure where I advocated masks even during breathing difficulties did I?
Hopefully you’re better now. I’m expecting shot 2 to be bad as I had Covid and apparently that’s a good trigger for side effects |
You generally only have side effects after 1 of the doses. I felt terrible after my first one, but completely fine after the second. | |
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| june 21 local restrictions? on 20:35 - Jun 6 with 1255 views | HARRY10 |
"I think there are 2 aspects to wearing a mask, protecting yourself from picking up a virus and protecting others if you have a cold/virus. "
They do not protect you from the first. They may marginally reduce the risk, but that's all. Much as with the second.
However, what I have noticed is those most vociferous about this matter, are those who hold similarly weird views on other matters - seeing so much as being part of some grand conspiracy against them personally.
For my part I have mixed feelings about mask wearing, but take the view that it is their shop, bank, bus etc and therefore their rules. And in general will comply with other measures as best I can for the greater good.
However, as the threat appears to erode, then so will the adherence to these measures - much as with carrying gas masks during WW2. But I am in agreement with others above, this virus has a long way to go still - and the concern for 'authorities' is the hospitals.
The graveyards and crematoria can cope, they are both relatively infinite. Whereas medical resources are quite the opposite. | | | |
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