| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October 22:12 - Jun 14 with 8796 views | ElderGrizzly |
Even if it was ‘only’ 3,000, so a tenth of one prediction it is horrific.
No wonder they kept this from journalists until after the press briefing
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:42 - Jun 15 with 2093 views | Tonytown |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:24 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Didn't Australia do similar with Melbourne? I think they're struggling to keep a lid on it with cases in the many tens now, but they went into hard lockdown with much stricter controls than we have after only a couple of cases were identified.
We had over 2,500 cases identified before India was even added to the red list, despite knowing that about half of those cases were imported directly from India. It would be hard to stop completely, but we could have done so much more to limit the spread. |
And we have our world beating track and trace to halt it in its tracks |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:47 - Jun 15 with 2080 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 08:10 - Jun 15 by solomon |
Will it outrun our scientific ability? Seems to be very good at adapting at a faster pace than we can control, is it here to thin our numbers out? Maybe Mother Nature has decided our time is done. Who knows, seems to be a lot more serious than we are being told. |
I always dislike it when intelligence is ascribed to natural processes. The virus is just doing what any organism does when there are a lot of them. Randomly occurring mutations happen and if they are beneficial they outcompete the previous generations. The more people that are vaccinated the more the population of C19 will decline and the smaller the chance of these beneficial mutations - the optimisation of the virus will slow down.
It's always been serious, unfortunately there is a certain percentage of the population who refuse to see that and just call it "a flu".
The fact that we have vaccines at all is a good step, it's just a long haul to get them in enough arms.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:51 - Jun 15 with 2063 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:47 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
I always dislike it when intelligence is ascribed to natural processes. The virus is just doing what any organism does when there are a lot of them. Randomly occurring mutations happen and if they are beneficial they outcompete the previous generations. The more people that are vaccinated the more the population of C19 will decline and the smaller the chance of these beneficial mutations - the optimisation of the virus will slow down.
It's always been serious, unfortunately there is a certain percentage of the population who refuse to see that and just call it "a flu".
The fact that we have vaccines at all is a good step, it's just a long haul to get them in enough arms.
SB |
Even this morning, there is still a huge swathe of people saying the Government are doing this because they are drunk on power.
You challenge them as to what they gain and nothing comes back.
Their latest conspiracy theory is Eriksen had his heart attack due to the Covid vaccine. The Denmark doctor has had to come out to deny that now! | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:52 - Jun 15 with 2055 views | Swansea_Blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:42 - Jun 15 by Tonytown |
And we have our world beating track and trace to halt it in its tracks |
Phew, we can all relax |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:57 - Jun 15 with 2041 views | factual_blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:13 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Isn't is incredible that even in the 21st Century people haven't developed the ability to accurately predict the future down to the tiniest detail. Poor show really. You'd thought we'd have that and time travel sorted by now. |
Well, we haven't got a decent flying car yet. Or vegan ham for Woke foxes. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:01 - Jun 15 with 2031 views | IP4Blue |
Let's be honest, this is pure scaremongering.
Remember, Whitty and Valance are the sort of people who would tell you not to drink, not to smoke and not to eat unhealthy food.
Boris must be the world's worst 'Libertarian' too. | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:02 - Jun 15 with 2025 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:51 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Even this morning, there is still a huge swathe of people saying the Government are doing this because they are drunk on power.
You challenge them as to what they gain and nothing comes back.
Their latest conspiracy theory is Eriksen had his heart attack due to the Covid vaccine. The Denmark doctor has had to come out to deny that now! |
We are heading for a stand-off between those willing to be educated and those willing to accept something that fits their existing narrative.
C19 might not be the thing that pushes it over the edge but it's coming.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:03 - Jun 15 with 2021 views | Tonytown |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:01 - Jun 15 by IP4Blue |
Let's be honest, this is pure scaremongering.
Remember, Whitty and Valance are the sort of people who would tell you not to drink, not to smoke and not to eat unhealthy food.
Boris must be the world's worst 'Libertarian' too. |
Or not | | | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:11 - Jun 15 with 2016 views | factual_blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:01 - Jun 15 by IP4Blue |
Let's be honest, this is pure scaremongering.
Remember, Whitty and Valance are the sort of people who would tell you not to drink, not to smoke and not to eat unhealthy food.
Boris must be the world's worst 'Libertarian' too. |
Oh dear.
Spoiler alert - 'libertarians' are thoughtless, dim, selfish people. So boris fits the bill perfectly. | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:18 - Jun 15 with 2003 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:01 - Jun 15 by IP4Blue |
Let's be honest, this is pure scaremongering.
Remember, Whitty and Valance are the sort of people who would tell you not to drink, not to smoke and not to eat unhealthy food.
Boris must be the world's worst 'Libertarian' too. |
"Let's be honest, this is pure scaremongering."
It's based on variables which aren't fully quantifiable and the results are as such a range. People should read the assumptions before making any conclusions.
"Remember, Whitty and Valance are the sort of people who would tell you not to drink, not to smoke and not to eat unhealthy food."
The report isn't by them and there are also other modelling simulations from other universities which they aren't involved in. Play the ball not the man.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:19 - Jun 15 with 1993 views | solomon |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:47 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
I always dislike it when intelligence is ascribed to natural processes. The virus is just doing what any organism does when there are a lot of them. Randomly occurring mutations happen and if they are beneficial they outcompete the previous generations. The more people that are vaccinated the more the population of C19 will decline and the smaller the chance of these beneficial mutations - the optimisation of the virus will slow down.
It's always been serious, unfortunately there is a certain percentage of the population who refuse to see that and just call it "a flu".
The fact that we have vaccines at all is a good step, it's just a long haul to get them in enough arms.
SB |
Do you think the vaccine will be enough even if everyone has it? Judging by the tone of last nights press conference I’m beginning to think we are maybe beginning to lose ground again?
Not offering an option just get the feeling we are a very very long way from getting near to winning. |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:22 - Jun 15 with 1989 views | Tonytown |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:19 - Jun 15 by solomon |
Do you think the vaccine will be enough even if everyone has it? Judging by the tone of last nights press conference I’m beginning to think we are maybe beginning to lose ground again?
Not offering an option just get the feeling we are a very very long way from getting near to winning. |
We don’t yet know, but will have a better idea in5 weeks time. | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:25 - Jun 15 with 1977 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:19 - Jun 15 by solomon |
Do you think the vaccine will be enough even if everyone has it? Judging by the tone of last nights press conference I’m beginning to think we are maybe beginning to lose ground again?
Not offering an option just get the feeling we are a very very long way from getting near to winning. |
Depends by what you mean by "enough".
It will be enough to get us out of restrictions, but it won't be enough to still stop thousands dying a year.
And that is where the flu comparison is allowed. We live with that, we need to learn to live with this once we are comfortable that hospitalisations and deaths are to an 'acceptable' number. And that will only come with a viable vaccination programme
And not just these 2 shots of vaccine, but yearly boosters etc reacting to new strains. [Post edited 15 Jun 2021 10:26]
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:26 - Jun 15 with 1977 views | Steve_M |
*deep sigh*
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:30 - Jun 15 with 1966 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:19 - Jun 15 by solomon |
Do you think the vaccine will be enough even if everyone has it? Judging by the tone of last nights press conference I’m beginning to think we are maybe beginning to lose ground again?
Not offering an option just get the feeling we are a very very long way from getting near to winning. |
It really depends what your definition of "winning" is. We aren't going to "win" in the way we won with smallpox because there are non-human reservoir of infection so we can never eliminate C19 completely.
However if we vaccinate 90% of the population then that dramatically lowers the amount of C19 that is able to be passed around as we know that vaccines reduce the transmission. Given this vaccines will be the answer if people are willing to have them as it reduces the population of C19 and thus the scope for mutation.
At the moment it probably feels like we are losing ground due to the Delta variant begin a very successful optimisation of C19 but the vaccines do still work against it and this is the point - we need to get enough people vaccinated globally so that there is far less opportunity for C19 to mutate into something resistant to vaccines. The longer it takes to vaccinate people the higher the probability of this happening.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:33 - Jun 15 with 1962 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:26 - Jun 15 by Steve_M |
*deep sigh*
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Until we tackle the scourge of misinformation on social media things are only going to get worse.
There needs to be globally agreed fine system which basically bankrupts the companies if they continue to allow hatred and misinformation to propagate.
It won't happen though and things will get worse. It's far too easy for people to believe someone like Dr. Kaufman who has a title but talks absolute rubbish which they agree with than look into whether what he is saying is actually true.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:41 - Jun 15 with 1937 views | giant_stow |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:26 - Jun 15 by Steve_M |
*deep sigh*
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Thats one of the most disturbing things I've seen for a while. Why were they so cross with him? For reporting? |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:49 - Jun 15 with 1925 views | Steve_M |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:41 - Jun 15 by giant_stow |
Thats one of the most disturbing things I've seen for a while. Why were they so cross with him? For reporting? |
Largely because they've gone down a rabbit hole and been radicalised online, presumably journalists are covering up for the government or some such nonsense.
Given such radicalisation is broadly similar to that used by Islamists or far-right terrorists then it isn't hard to see violence as being the next stage - especially on viewing that clip. | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:51 - Jun 15 with 1917 views | chrismakin |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:33 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
Until we tackle the scourge of misinformation on social media things are only going to get worse.
There needs to be globally agreed fine system which basically bankrupts the companies if they continue to allow hatred and misinformation to propagate.
It won't happen though and things will get worse. It's far too easy for people to believe someone like Dr. Kaufman who has a title but talks absolute rubbish which they agree with than look into whether what he is saying is actually true.
SB |
I'm still amazed that this lady is allowed to air these views on such a public platform, not just social media, but on her shows and even TV appearences.
It doesn't help. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:54 - Jun 15 with 1894 views | giant_stow |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:49 - Jun 15 by Steve_M |
Largely because they've gone down a rabbit hole and been radicalised online, presumably journalists are covering up for the government or some such nonsense.
Given such radicalisation is broadly similar to that used by Islamists or far-right terrorists then it isn't hard to see violence as being the next stage - especially on viewing that clip. |
If he'd have tripped or got pushed oiver, gawd knows what might have happenned. | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:58 - Jun 15 with 1882 views | Swansea_Blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:57 - Jun 15 by factual_blue |
Well, we haven't got a decent flying car yet. Or vegan ham for Woke foxes. |
*Ahem*
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:59 - Jun 15 with 1882 views | Pinewoodblue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:25 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Depends by what you mean by "enough".
It will be enough to get us out of restrictions, but it won't be enough to still stop thousands dying a year.
And that is where the flu comparison is allowed. We live with that, we need to learn to live with this once we are comfortable that hospitalisations and deaths are to an 'acceptable' number. And that will only come with a viable vaccination programme
And not just these 2 shots of vaccine, but yearly boosters etc reacting to new strains. [Post edited 15 Jun 2021 10:26]
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Not sure vaccination is enough. There really isn’t any evidence to support the view that by not opening up further things will improve.
It’s a bit like herding up stray cattle, putting them back in their field but not bothering to stop them getting out again, or even shutting the gate. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:01 - Jun 15 with 1875 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:51 - Jun 15 by chrismakin |
I'm still amazed that this lady is allowed to air these views on such a public platform, not just social media, but on her shows and even TV appearences.
It doesn't help. |
And then fringe people like this are actively given platforms out of 'balance'
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:04 - Jun 15 with 1866 views | BABLUE |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:51 - Jun 15 by chrismakin |
I'm still amazed that this lady is allowed to air these views on such a public platform, not just social media, but on her shows and even TV appearences.
It doesn't help. |
And when these numpties actually fight back and people get hurt or worse she will say it was nothing to do with her.
Utter scumbag |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:15 - Jun 15 with 1824 views | solomon |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:30 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
It really depends what your definition of "winning" is. We aren't going to "win" in the way we won with smallpox because there are non-human reservoir of infection so we can never eliminate C19 completely.
However if we vaccinate 90% of the population then that dramatically lowers the amount of C19 that is able to be passed around as we know that vaccines reduce the transmission. Given this vaccines will be the answer if people are willing to have them as it reduces the population of C19 and thus the scope for mutation.
At the moment it probably feels like we are losing ground due to the Delta variant begin a very successful optimisation of C19 but the vaccines do still work against it and this is the point - we need to get enough people vaccinated globally so that there is far less opportunity for C19 to mutate into something resistant to vaccines. The longer it takes to vaccinate people the higher the probability of this happening.
SB |
I hope you’re right, I sincerely do. | | | |
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