| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October 22:12 - Jun 14 with 8793 views | ElderGrizzly |
Even if it was ‘only’ 3,000, so a tenth of one prediction it is horrific.
No wonder they kept this from journalists until after the press briefing
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:20 - Jun 15 with 1880 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:01 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
And then fringe people like this are actively given platforms out of 'balance'
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Impressive that a "lawyer" can come up with such an appalling logical fallacy.
It's actually becoming incredibly depressing, social media needs to go if it can't get it's house in order.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:25 - Jun 15 with 1864 views | Swansea_Blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:20 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
Impressive that a "lawyer" can come up with such an appalling logical fallacy.
It's actually becoming incredibly depressing, social media needs to go if it can't get it's house in order.
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Something needs to happen. People are being turned into weapons grade feckwits. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:50 - Jun 15 with 1830 views | factual_blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 09:47 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
I always dislike it when intelligence is ascribed to natural processes. The virus is just doing what any organism does when there are a lot of them. Randomly occurring mutations happen and if they are beneficial they outcompete the previous generations. The more people that are vaccinated the more the population of C19 will decline and the smaller the chance of these beneficial mutations - the optimisation of the virus will slow down.
It's always been serious, unfortunately there is a certain percentage of the population who refuse to see that and just call it "a flu".
The fact that we have vaccines at all is a good step, it's just a long haul to get them in enough arms.
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And it won't mutate for ever.
https://www.livescience.com/how-much-can-coronavirus-mutate-variants.html |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:56 - Jun 15 with 1816 views | StokieBlue |
Not forever no, but there is still scope for a lot of mutation and whilst viruses do tend to mutate towards less lethality the fact that C19 is so contagious now (possibly the Delta has an R as high as 8) it moves on to infect new hosts very quickly so there is no disadvantage to becoming more lethal to the host as it will have likely moved on.
If it still had an R of 2.5 then becoming more lethal would likely have been the end of the pandemic much like it was for SARS and MERS which were far more lethal but also far harder to catch.
The real ray of hope is that mRNA vaccines are so easy to modify (it's basically like updating a computer program) that we can get on top of mutations much quicker than with traditional vaccines.
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:23 - Jun 15 with 1797 views | vapour_trail |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 22:53 - Jun 14 by Trequartista |
I'm still angry that if someone as ignorant as me could see it, why couldn't they?
We've had numerous briefings from various SAGE, ex-SAGE members, professors etc over the past few weeks warning that we can't lift restrictions. I really don't remember many briefings from these same experts when the Indian cases were escalating to warn they need to go on the red list, and if they did, and the Government ignored them, well then fair enough they are excused from my attack.
"Variant of Interest" they said. [Post edited 14 Jun 2021 22:54]
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There were plenty of members of sage calling out the government on socials for not taking action on India well before we did it. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:47 - Jun 15 with 1782 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:49 - Jun 15 by Steve_M |
Largely because they've gone down a rabbit hole and been radicalised online, presumably journalists are covering up for the government or some such nonsense.
Given such radicalisation is broadly similar to that used by Islamists or far-right terrorists then it isn't hard to see violence as being the next stage - especially on viewing that clip. |
And it will be whipped up more by channels such as GBNews as they are already pushing that the BBC, Sky, Channel 4 aren't telling you the truth | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:52 - Jun 15 with 1774 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 10:59 - Jun 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure vaccination is enough. There really isn’t any evidence to support the view that by not opening up further things will improve.
It’s a bit like herding up stray cattle, putting them back in their field but not bothering to stop them getting out again, or even shutting the gate. |
There are plenty of studies showing vaccines are helping, especially as hospitalisations are pretty much those who are not vaccinated or only vaccinated once.
Simply, we don't have enough vaccinated right now to remove all restrictions.
In 4 weeks, 14 million more people will have been vaccinated with at least one shot. 10 million of those (including me) double dosed. | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:53 - Jun 15 with 1770 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:23 - Jun 15 by vapour_trail |
There were plenty of members of sage calling out the government on socials for not taking action on India well before we did it. |
There are minuted meetings documenting it too. | | | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:01 - Jun 15 with 1763 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:53 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
There are minuted meetings documenting it too. |
Right. And it was so obviously going to give rise to this issue. See also opening up in December etc. Just very silly decisions that anybody half sensible can predict the impact of. |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:04 - Jun 15 with 1753 views | m14_blue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:01 - Jun 15 by PrideOfTheEast |
Right. And it was so obviously going to give rise to this issue. See also opening up in December etc. Just very silly decisions that anybody half sensible can predict the impact of. |
My favourite was when they allowed everyone to mix over Christmas, then opened schools for one day so everyone could pass around their newly acquired virus.
And THEN shut the schools.
I mean, I know this is an unprecedented situation and no one's going to get everything right but fcuk me, they've been really rubbish haven't they? | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:10 - Jun 15 with 1739 views | Steve_M |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:04 - Jun 15 by m14_blue |
My favourite was when they allowed everyone to mix over Christmas, then opened schools for one day so everyone could pass around their newly acquired virus.
And THEN shut the schools.
I mean, I know this is an unprecedented situation and no one's going to get everything right but fcuk me, they've been really rubbish haven't they? |
Not forgetting Gavin Williamson and the DfE threatening to sue schools for closing early before Christmas despite first hand evidence of rising cases amongst pupils. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:28 - Jun 15 with 1711 views | Cotty |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 22:30 - Jun 14 by mikeybloo88 |
If the data shown by Whitty today is true on the vaccine effectiveness, logic would question how likely this scenario could be. Perhaps I've just got scare story fatigue.... |
Perhaps, (and I say this extremely cautiously), you're not an epidemiologist? |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:42 - Jun 15 with 1689 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 22:28 - Jun 14 by chrismakin |
As the Vaccine isn't 100% protection against Covid, have they found out what % of covid related illnesses even those vaccinated with 2 jabs can still suffer.
Take flu for example, I get the flu vaccine, i've had flu a couple of times, but obviously not as bad as I may have done without it,
The job of this vaccine is clearly to do the same.. yet Covid of course isnt what kills it's what it does to certain parts of the body in various ways that does.......... so what % of the protection stops the worse parts of covid? ( I hope that makes sense, I know what im trying to say but not sure if that comes across right) [Post edited 14 Jun 2021 22:33]
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I don't have your answer to the Covid question - it's worth noting the Covid vaccines are incredibly better than the Flu Vaccine - which most years is below 60% efficacy. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 15:12 - Jun 15 with 1641 views | ElderGrizzly |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 12:47 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
And it will be whipped up more by channels such as GBNews as they are already pushing that the BBC, Sky, Channel 4 aren't telling you the truth |
Just had someone tell me there have been 3,000 deaths from the vaccine in Scotland along and they are being 'hidden'.
Oh and 80,000 die of flu in a good year. FFS... | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 15:31 - Jun 15 with 1620 views | Pinewoodblue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 15:12 - Jun 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Just had someone tell me there have been 3,000 deaths from the vaccine in Scotland along and they are being 'hidden'.
Oh and 80,000 die of flu in a good year. FFS... |
You come into contact with stranger people off of TWTD, than you do on here. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 15:36 - Jun 15 with 1613 views | BlueySwede |
There are always worst case scenarios and black headlines in the newspapers. I read today that the vaccines are effective on the delta variant and I think that is a big relief. Now the main thing is to get the vaccine out as fast as possible. In Sweden the vaccinations is finally gathering a lot of pace, I think that is crucial to beating this desease. | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 18:03 - Jun 15 with 1561 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:25 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Something needs to happen. People are being turned into weapons grade feckwits. |
I think it would be safe to say that I like to question narratives but I wouldn't want to be seen anywhere near these people. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 19:54 - Jun 15 with 1518 views | mikeybloo88 |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 13:28 - Jun 15 by Cotty |
Perhaps, (and I say this extremely cautiously), you're not an epidemiologist? |
Funny that a JCVI epidemiologist this morning was also being very positive on vaccine effectiveness and painting a more positive outlook than seems to be suggested here...so not just my logic which thinks this modelling scenario is at least questionable. |  | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 19:56 - Jun 15 with 1519 views | StokieBlue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 19:54 - Jun 15 by mikeybloo88 |
Funny that a JCVI epidemiologist this morning was also being very positive on vaccine effectiveness and painting a more positive outlook than seems to be suggested here...so not just my logic which thinks this modelling scenario is at least questionable. |
Have you read it yet as was suggested to you 24 hours ago?
Or are you still basing your posts on hunches?
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:06 - Jun 15 with 1500 views | chrismakin |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:04 - Jun 15 by BABLUE |
And when these numpties actually fight back and people get hurt or worse she will say it was nothing to do with her.
Utter scumbag |
Something like that here, it's people like her that creates the groups involved
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:17 - Jun 15 with 1488 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 11:20 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
Impressive that a "lawyer" can come up with such an appalling logical fallacy.
It's actually becoming incredibly depressing, social media needs to go if it can't get it's house in order.
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Lawyers need to be persuasive to slightly above the average number of members of the public, not thorough in their logic.
You are assuming a lawyer should understand science.
Jeremy Paxman is proof that you can be clever and an expert in a non-scientific field and yet totally ignorant of science. |  |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:25 - Jun 15 with 1487 views | jas0999 |
… Is this the same SAGE who said deaths would be reduced if we all got the vaccine? Many did so. | | | |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:30 - Jun 15 with 1479 views | Steve_M |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:25 - Jun 15 by jas0999 |
… Is this the same SAGE who said deaths would be reduced if we all got the vaccine? Many did so. |
Which they have been, but not everyone is vaccinated yet and some people either can’t or won’t. | |
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| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:32 - Jun 15 with 1473 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| SAGE saying even with delay we could see more than 30k deaths by October on 20:25 - Jun 15 by jas0999 |
… Is this the same SAGE who said deaths would be reduced if we all got the vaccine? Many did so. |
Your point?
Are deaths not at a much lower level thanks to people being vaccinated?
I am sure you have a top level degree in virology from a top University but I don't get how so many unqualified people seem to think they know far better than the experts. | |
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